Ron's Incident With The Gun Spark Investigation was opened by DCF.

[KOOL LOOK]

Whisperer, I've not said anything remotely in my post that resembles your response to me about what I said. I'm sure Ron and Crystal ventured out into their own world of drugs when together. I have no problem believing that.

I don't know if Marie had Crystal smoke pot or not. I never even said that. But I do think Crystal seen the drugs, smelled the drugs during or after they were used. Did she not ever see the drug paraphenelia or plants? Surely she did.

You made a strong claim that Ron was the one doing the introducing, I call that foul and not true when her own mom was arrested for drugs in the home of crystal before Ron ever came into the picture. That's why I replied to your post. It was inaccurate and made no sense to blame Ron for something her own Mama did for her in the home where she didn't get a chance to grow up in, I might add. As we have learned Crystal was kicked out by Marie, and crystal moved in with TN and Ron, which in my opinion should never have happened either.

 

[Malesherbes]

Kool look...Marie had one choice of drugs...and that was pot. If you think Marie gave her pot to smoke that is fine with me but I choose not to think she did.

Crystal was hooked on hard drugs though. So unless you can prove that Marie is responsible for that too, then I maintain that Crystal is being truthful. IMO. she appears to be very truthful since this event occurred.

As I asked before, does Crystal have any drug charges. We have to look at the source.

I do not put Pot and the hard core drugs run had on him in the same catagory (and neither does the law) In 2002, RC had these. He was with Crystal and she was 17 at the time. She told on video that she asked him to stop the meth/coke because she was pregnant.

Here is the list he had on him when he was still with CS:
Cocaine
Heroin
Date rape drugs
ecstasy
methamphetamines
pot
illegal pills

Since Pot wasn't the problem for Crystal, I'd venture to say that RC supplied some of his Candy Store to his young girlfriend

And Crystal also said Ron hit her in the head while she was pregnant- I shutter wondering what those kids saw in his care- he had no issues taking a 6 month old child away from his mother- that is pathetic- and all his drug arrests- wow, to me its pretty much undefendable- At least Crystal can be honest about her past, Ronald can not- So sad- His luck will run out though, hopefully its before anyone gets hurt...................

 

[Whisperer]

Before we stray too off topic, I just noticed the subject of the thread. This is RC and his gun habits, and DCF.

Well, guns are a problem for RC. I don't have any hope in DCF doing anything. As I said before, it would be welcomed but totally unexpected for DCF to remove JR from Ron's custody.

Now, if RC was living alone, jr would have been removed ions ago, IMO. But he still has GMA to plea for his case. The guns will not leave Ron's life permanently, but when DCF comes a calling, they will be no where to be found, just like when LE arrives. IMO, Ron protects his guns and gets most upset if one were to disappear.

 

[elle1919]

Will anyone here accept the decision from DCF or is it reasonable to assume that Florida DCF is not a trusted organization. Lets discuss that before the findings come out and everyone is defending their own opinions....TIA

 

[Malesherbes]

Before we stray too off topic, I just noticed the subject of the thread. This is RC and his gun habits, and DCF.

Well, guns are a problem for RC. I don't have any hope in DCF doing anything. As I said before, it would be welcomed but totally unexpected for DCF to remove JR from Ron's custody.

Now, if RC was living alone, jr would have been removed ions ago, IMO. But he still has GMA to plea for his case. The guns will not leave Ron's life permanently, but when DCF comes a calling, they will be no where to be found, just like when LE arrives. IMO, Ron protects his guns and gets most upset if one were to disappear.

This makes my blood run cold- What the heck does he need with all these guns anyways? I am sure DCF prob wont remove him- I know DCF fails children all the time, they failed Haleigh Cummings-
jmo

 

[KOOL LOOK]

DCF has already made their decision. Jr. would have been removed a long time ago if there was "danger" or a real possibility of harm towards Jr. They could have took him from the beginning, then investigated. They didn't. They also know the reports came in from strangers over the internet. LOL

I don't know if I believe Tim's allegations towards Ron. His own behavior and non-action towards Ron and to authorities speaks loudly to me.

 

[elle1919]

This makes my blood run cold- What the heck does he need with all these guns anyways? I am sure DCF prob wont remove him- I know DCF fails children all the time, they failed Haleigh Cummings-
jmo

I think it is unfair to say they failed Haleigh Cummings until we have some more answers. Is it accurate that there are perhaps other children Florida DCF has failed and how could we know for sure because aren't most records sealed?

I am not asking you specifically, anyone who might know?

 

[Whisperer]

There is no choice but to accept what they do. Whatever they say, they give to the court, and it relieves the judge from accountability. I know the game.

I was there very much around when OJ got custody. I expect nothing.

I have read and heard hundreds of cases where the children were harmed or worse due to DCF findings. They make decisions based on reports. Can't argue reports unless there is physical and direct proof. Judge remains safe and secure and gets assigned again and keeps his job....no problem

 

[Whisperer]

Unfair to say the Courts failed Haleigh Cummings??

.........I am now ready for the fairy dust....POOF!

 

[Baznme]

I think what it comes down to is that some think Crystal is a huge piece of crap because she was not a full time mother- to some that cheapens her mother status, and its so wrong- jmo

I wish some lawyer worth his/her salt would jump in and pull all the records, represent Crystal's case to a judge that had any common sense to say OK, let's start over here. I think you'd see a very different result from those proceedings. But, that's just my opinion because if my X had done that to me, I would not stop until I had all the antics exposed and I would'nt have to fight to see my own children.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

There is no choice but to accept what they do. Whatever they say, they give to the court, and it relieves the judge from accountability. I know the game.

I was there very much around when OJ got custody. I expect nothing.

I have read and heard hundreds of cases where the children were harmed or worse due to DCF findings. They make decisions based on reports. Can't argue reports unless there is physical and direct proof. Judge remains safe and secure and gets assigned again and keeps his job....no problem

bbm in red
whoooooa horsie. What judge? There isn't a court case therefore "No Judge" involved that I know of concerning this dcf investigation.

 

[elle1919]

DCF has already made their decision. Jr. would have been removed a long time ago if there was "danger" or a real possibility of harm towards Jr. They could have took him from the beginning, then investigated. They didn't. They also know the reports came in from strangers over the internet. LOL

I don't know if I believe Tim's allegations towards Ron. His own behavior and non-action towards Ron and to authorities speaks loudly to me.

Bold by Me KOOL....I believe there are some pretty serious thoughts filling up Ronald's head and right now and I said this earlier but I haven't changed my opinions, I truly, truly hope that someone has insisted Ronald get some counseling. A missing child is beyond imagination and a parent in the most desirable of circumstances would need guidance and support that a counselor could offer them.

 

[Baznme]

I think it is unfair to say they failed Haleigh Cummings until we have some more answers. Is it accurate that there are perhaps other children Florida DCF has failed and how could we know for sure because aren't most records sealed?

I am not asking you specifically, anyone who might know?

Elle, you've asked the million dollar question there. There are countless numbers of cases where kids have been killed by their own parent(s) or a boyfriend after they had been investigated by DCF in Florida. They have even falsified records to say they checked on these kids when in reality, they never even made the visits they claimed to. One child, "Rilya Wilson" was in the care of an Aunt and no one knows to this day where she is! DCF in Florida leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to getting it right.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Bold by Me KOOL....I believe there are some pretty serious thoughts filling up Ronald's head and right now and I said this earlier but I haven't changed my opinions, I truly, truly hope that someone has insisted Ronald get some counseling. A missing child is beyond imagination and a parent in the most desirable of circumstances would need guidance and support that a counselor could offer them.

I agree, and it wouldn't hurt for him to go to church, meet some good role model men, "real men" who could be his hero and confidant. So often our youth make the wrong decisions at the critical cross roads in their lives because their own parents fail to acknowledge or educate themselves that their children will soon be facing these cross roads, and when that times comes, having their children prepared correctly to stay on the right path, thus avoiding un-neccessary pain and suffering.

So often, guys especially, have no one in their lives leading them by the hand through this difficult time of adolescence. They face it alone, with no wisdom, only tetesterone and lots of energy to hit these pits head on straight into danger and crime. Then everyone sits in judgement and shakes their heads tsk tsk tsk. These same people that's probably never befriended a young teen, and spent some time with them. These teens that have one parent, or no parents to care for them.

 

[Baznme]

DCF has already made their decision. Jr. would have been removed a long time ago if there was "danger" or a real possibility of harm towards Jr. They could have took him from the beginning, then investigated. They didn't. They also know the reports came in from strangers over the internet. LOL

I don't know if I believe Tim's allegations towards Ron. His own behavior and non-action towards Ron and to authorities speaks loudly to me.

If you knew Tim, you wouldn't say that. So, apparantly, you don't know the man. His behavior has been quite the opposite of "non-action" towards Ron and to authorities. He has stated that more than once that he asked Ron to put the guns away and get some help. He's told everything he knows to LE and has also stated that. When Tim did the interview on Levi's show, LE was there so, I don't know why you're having a difficult time believing what Tim said.

 

[Malesherbes]

If you knew Tim, you wouldn't say that. So, apparantly, you don't know the man. His behavior has been quite the opposite of "non-action" towards Ron and to authorities. He has stated that more than once that he asked Ron to put the guns away and get some help. He's told everything he knows to LE and has also stated that. When Tim did the interview on Levi's show, LE was there so, I don't know why you're having a difficult time believing what Tim said.

And its like, is Tim lying on Ron? And if so, what did Tim have to gain by reporting that Ron almost kneeled to the ground, and put a gun in his mouth in front of that beautiful baby boy? When did Ron Cummings become more credible than Tim Miller?

 

[Whisperer]

DCF sends their report to family court for review. Family Court can make decision on custody. Concerning family court and their decision once made...it might as well be cast in stone.

Unless the spouse has hundreds of thousands of dollars, there is no chance for a reversal....just doesn't happen. I have spoken with an attorney about this case. Extremely small chance of it ever happening

Public outcry may get some attention in lieu of money, but it has to be pretty darn big. Didn't change the OJ win though.

The fact that RC had custody when he filed upped his chances to take possession. As they say "Possession is 9/10ths of the Law. Crystal had not filed for child support yet and he pulled a fast one when he told her he was taking them on a little vacation.

I believe Tim Miller did see RC put the gun in his mouth. This was not the first time we heard a story of RC and Guns in somebody's mouth.

 

[Baznme]

And its like, is Tim lying on Ron? And if so, what did Tim have to gain by reporting that Ron almost kneeled to the ground, and put a gun in his mouth in front of that beautiful baby boy? When did Ron Cummings become more credible than Tim Miller?

I don't understand it either. Tim is as honest as the day is long and will tell you the truth even if it hurts. How do I know this? He's been to my town to look for my friend that's been missing for 3.5 yrs. now. It doesn't matter who you are, if you need him, he'll be there and when it comes to a missing child, all bets are off, if you pull a stunt like the gun incident, the proper people are going to know about it. There's no room in anyone's life for immature behavior like that if you're earnestly looking for that child. Who needs it?

 

[KOOL LOOK]

If you knew Tim, you wouldn't say that. So, apparantly, you don't know the man. His behavior has been quite the opposite of "non-action" towards Ron and to authorities. He has stated that more than once that he asked Ron to put the guns away and get some help. He's told everything he knows to LE and has also stated that. When Tim did the interview on Levi's show, LE was there so, I don't know why you're having a difficult time believing what Tim said.

LE was where? on Levi's show? Are you serious? You question my ability to believe? When Tim Miller never contacted authorities, nothing said until it was done publically weeks later after crap started hitting the fan like the "Undercover Mama friend" business.

As far as the Non action, I was referring solely to that one incident, not the entire case or the entire relationship between the two of them. Don't broaden my comments further than what they were singly aimed at.

No Baz, I don't know Tim personally. To make this kind of statement to me is wrong as most all of us are strangers to the very ones we discuss here on a daily basis. Just because you have met him, I take it, you have one up on me and therefore what? I could care less about meeting the "Man". If I desired to, I would. Though I don't dislike Tim and believe he's a wonderful search and rescue man.

 

[elle1919]

My husband is going to kill me if I don;t get off the computer and go visit with him. However, I look forward to reading here later to see what interesting things you all are able to uncover!

Baz...I agree with you on Tim Miller, I think Tim was in a position to witness firsthand a reason to be concerned about Ronald emotional state. The fact that Tim was focused on locating the whereabouts of Haleigh perhaps he was experiencing a little tunnel vision, I don't know but regardless, he himself did not report the incident to DCF, that I am aware of anyway, so I hope that means he did not consider Ronald's threat one that he would follow through on. I have never gotten the impression that Tim Miller felt Ronald was involved in Haleigh's disappearance. I think he had a err of judgment for a bit there but he is a good man and he apologized and admitted the error. I would want both him and Mark Klaas and anyone else that would run to my side to help me if my child went missing.