Ron's Incident With The Gun Spark Investigation was opened by DCF.

[Baznme]

LE was where? on Levi's show? Are you serious? You question my ability to believe? When Tim Miller never contacted authorities, nothing said until it was done publically weeks later after crap started hitting the fan like the "Undercover Mama friend" business.

As far as the Non action, I was referring solely to that one incident, not the entire case or the entire relationship between the two of them. Don't broaden my comments further than what they were singly aimed at.

No Baz, I don't know Tim personally. To make this kind of statement to me is wrong as most all of us are strangers to the very ones we discuss here on a daily basis. Just because you have met him, I take it, you have one up on me and therefore what? I could care less about meeting the "Man". If I desired to, I would. Though I don't dislike Tim and believe he's a wonderful search and rescue man.

If I remember correctly, you weren't going to listen to the show. Maybe if you would do that, you would know that yes, LE was there and yes, LE did know about what he was doing.

As far as the "non-action, I was also referring solely to that incident and I am not broadening your comments further. If Tim witnessed it, LE knew about it first, then we knew about it weeks later.

Just because I have met him does not make me having "one up" on you, just the knowledge that I know this is honest man. I'm glad that you believe he's a wonderful search and rescue man but I am also truly regretful that you would never want to meet him or shake his hand. I really hope you never have a reason to.

 

[elle1919]

I believe that if DCF finds cause to remove the child they will have to bring the matter before a judge in a shelter hearing. I know there was a case where this did happen in Polk County Florida. Not sure. I believe this is done to protect the best interests of the child and allow for a representative to be appointed for the children. Again I am not sure. I would appreciate anyone who knows for certain how this is handled to join in the conversation. TIA : )

 

[KOOL LOOK]

DCF sends their report to family court for review. Family Court can make decision on custody. Concerning family court and their decision once made...it might as well be cast in stone.

Unless the spouse has hundreds of thousands of dollars, there is no chance for a reversal....just doesn't happen. I have spoken with an attorney about this case. Extremely small chance of it ever happening

Public outcry may get some attention in lieu of money, but it has to be pretty darn big. Didn't change the OJ win though.

The fact that RC had custody when he filed upped his chances to take possession. As they say "Possession is 9/10ths of the Law. Crystal had not filed for child support yet and he pulled a fast one when he told her he was taking them on a little vacation.

I believe Tim Miller did see RC put the gun in his mouth. This was not the first time we heard a story of RC and Guns in somebody's mouth.

BBM this is incorrect, don't know where you get your information, but carry on as I'm not going to argue about it. DCF investigates and makes their own decisions. If they feel a child must permanently/temporarily removed from the home, then a court motion is filed to have a judge determine the final decision. Judges aren't involved in dcf investigations.

Good day Whisperer.

 

[Baznme]

My husband is going to kill me if I don;t get off the computer and go visit with him. However, I look forward to reading here later to see what interesting things you all are able to uncover!

Baz...I agree with you on Tim Miller, I think Tim was in a position to witness firsthand a reason to be concerned about Ronald emotional state. The fact that Tim was focused on locating the whereabouts of Haleigh perhaps he was experiencing a little tunnel vision, I don't know but regardless, he himself did not report the incident to DCF, that I am aware of anyway, so I hope that means he did not consider Ronald's threat one that he would follow through on. I have never gotten the impression that Tim Miller felt Ronald was involved in Haleigh's disappearance. I think he had a err of judgment for a bit there but he is a good man and he apologized and admitted the error. I would want both him and Mark Klaas and anyone else that would run to my side to help me if my child went missing.

I will only say this Elle. I think that by informing LE, he assumed it would be dealt with from there. Since LE decided the guns were owned legally, there was nothing further for them to do? I don't know. I wish I did.

 

[elle1919]

I will only say this Elle. I think that by informing LE, he assumed it would be dealt with from there. Since LE decided the guns were owned legally, there was nothing further for them to do? I don't know. I wish I did.

Me too!

I am going on husband duty now...lol

 

[curvecuti]

Snip~

...... Please click on my hat and read my posts before you accuse me of assigning blame to Crystal. I never have. Just last week I replied to a post by Curvecuti in support of Crystal and if you care to read it it is there for you to see.
.....

NO offense to you elle, I do enjoy your posts. But as I have repeatedly said, there is no need to defend CS to me. I think CS has been beaten down (not by RC) and I feel sorry for her. But I find it completely irresponsible and hypocritical for one parent to be habitually put down and their criminal record harped on again and again and again, and no one EVER says 1 thing about the other parent, who also has their fair share of problems. Do I WANT to be the person that brings these things up? No! But no one else wants to be "that person" either. And, IMO, it is not fair for people reading here to think that CS is a saint and RC is the most evil man next to Satan. It is NOT right. So, yes, I will continue to be "that person". CS nor RC are saints and are far from perfect parents. Most people, including me, aren't. MOO.

 

[azwriter]

There is no choice but to accept what they do. Whatever they say, they give to the court, and it relieves the judge from accountability. I know the game.

I was there very much around when OJ got custody. I expect nothing.

I have read and heard hundreds of cases where the children were harmed or worse due to DCF findings. They make decisions based on reports. Can't argue reports unless there is physical and direct proof. Judge remains safe and secure and gets assigned again and keeps his job....no problem

Whisperer, you're so right. Here in Arizona,Child Protection Services does not have to reveal anything about its investigation of cases. They usually take the children first then investigate. One of the latest cases is a couple who took photos of their three girls in the nude at bath time. When they took the film or photo chip to Walmart, a clerk there turned in the photos to CPS and the children were immediately removed from the home. The parents did not get the girls back for over three months It took a court of law to prove the photos were not . The parents are now suing CPS, but CPS does not have to reveal anything about how they arrived at their decision to take the children or report the patents to LE. The photos were never made public and never will be.
I sometime thing these agencies that are supposed to protect children jump in to fast and the families are torn apart. But, that's just me.

 

[Whisperer]

BBM this is incorrect, don't know where you get your information, but carry on as I'm not going to argue about it. DCF investigates and makes their own decisions. If they feel a child must permanently/temporarily removed from the home, then a court motion is filed to have a judge determine the final decision. Judges aren't involved in dcf investigations.

Good day Whisperer.

Yes, DCF makes their own decisions (in a report) and if necessary goes before the court. Didn't know that I implied Judges are involved in the investigation. Glad to know there will be no argument. If I stated this, perhaps I wasn't clear enough.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

If I remember correctly, you weren't going to listen to the show. Maybe if you would do that, you would know that yes, LE was there and yes, LE did know about what he was doing.

As far as the "non-action, I was also referring solely to that incident and I am not broadening your comments further. If Tim witnessed it, LE knew about it first, then we knew about it weeks later.

Just because I have met him does not make me having "one up" on you, just the knowledge that I know this is honest man. I'm glad that you believe he's a wonderful search and rescue man but I am also truly regretful that you would never want to meet him or shake his hand. I really hope you never have a reason to.

Interesting you remember my one comment pertaining to watching levi's show, I wouldn't think it would be important, LOL I see I'm wrong. hmmm

But since you brought it up, for those who might be interested, I feel I have a legitimate honest reason for not listening. He is against Misty and Ron, seems proud of it, and announces this on his site and has no problem letting others know. That's his perogative, and I have no problem with that, so therefore it is my perogative to not listen to his show. Though I've never encouraged anyone not to listen, nor have I ever said anything bad/negative about him. For me, I don't have enough facts to bash/attack/hate on and crucify Misty, Ron and his entire family. I'm not going to be involved in that, and choose to steer clear of it. Judge me if you want, I could care less. I'm not into putting others down.

Since you made a point of telling me so, "Had I listened to his show I would have known LE was there". Maybe you could have been kind informing me so, especially since you already knew I didn't listen and would not have known. Nor has it been mentioned one time upstairs here in any threads. So how in the world would I have known? Unless I snuck undercover and listened making myself a jerk and live in contrare to my on words.

Which now I'm upset that LE was on the show to begin with. They won't go to a reputable news source, or do pressors for the tax paying public to give them updates, but will go on a gossip talk radio show that anything goes with the owner/commentator clearly making it known their opinions about Ron and Misty believing they are guilty. I just lost another ounce of respect for LE in this particular investigation. Never have I seen LE act the way this group has in a case.

As far as Tim, I'm not the one bringing him up. You don't have to be concerned about my needs for Tim, so no need for any regrets concerning me, lol I have Honest Protection from above. My first call out would be to God, then websleuths, well my friends at websleuths.

 

[azwriter]

I don't think LE is happy at all with RC. I think they would have liked to nail him on the sleeping with minor (that was a good 20 yr sentence) but with the recent tragedy in his life, LE would have come out looking like Scrooge at such a time.

IMO, though, there is no love lost between LE and RC. Good thing he is in his bubble. He may have to remain there for a looooong time. But sooner or later, RC is going to want to go out and it will be at night and he will get in trouble. Can't keep him away from the girls too long.

Just wanted to underline the operative word - girls.
His fondness for drugs is bad enough but chasing and bedding young girls is even worse in my book.
I won't budge an inch on my belief that he married Misty so that he wouldn't be arrested for sexual child abuse. He never married any of the other girls but once he was in the public spotlight with Haleigh's disappearance, he had no choice than to cover up. JMO of course.

 

[Baznme]

Interesting you remember my one comment pertaining to watching levi's show, I wouldn't think it would be important, LOL I see I'm wrong. hmmm

But since you brought it up, for those who might be interested, I feel I have a legitimate honest reason for not listening. He is against Misty and Ron, seems proud of it, and announces this on his site and has no problem letting others know. That's his perogative, and I have no problem with that, so therefore it is my perogative to not listen to his show. Though I've never encouraged anyone not to listen, nor have I ever said anything bad/negative about him. For me, I don't have enough facts to bash/attack/hate on and crucify Misty, Ron and his entire family. I'm not going to be involved in that, and choose to steer clear of it. Judge me if you want, I could care less. I'm not into putting others down.

Since you made a point of telling me so, "Had I listened to his show I would have known LE was there". Maybe you could have been kind informing me so, especially since you already knew I didn't listen and would not have known. Nor has it been mentioned one time upstairs here in any threads. So how in the world would I have known? Unless I snuck undercover and listened making myself a jerk and live in contrare to my on words.

Which now I'm upset that LE was on the show to begin with. They won't go to a reputable news source, or do pressors for the tax paying public to give them updates, but will go on a gossip talk radio show that anything goes with the owner/commentator clearly making it known their opinions about Ron and Misty believing they are guilty. I just lost another ounce of respect for LE in this particular investigation. Never have I seen LE act the way this group has in a case.

I was trying to make you aware. I'm sorry if you feel I was unkind. It wasn't meant to be but if you close your eyes to all of what you could glean, then I can't help that. BTW, LE did not indicate that they felt Ron or Misty was guilty of anything and neither did Tim.

 

[elle1919]

Snip~ NO offense to you elle, I do enjoy your posts. But as I have repeatedly said, there is no need to defend CS to me. I think CS has been beaten down (not by RC) and I feel sorry for her. But I find it completely irresponsible and hypocritical for one parent to be habitually put down and their criminal record harped on again and again and again, and no one EVER says 1 thing about the other parent, who also has their fair share of problems. Do I WANT to be the person that brings these things up? No! But no one else wants to be "that person" either. And, IMO, it is not fair for people reading here to think that CS is a saint and RC is the most evil man next to Satan. It is NOT right. So, yes, I will continue to be "that person". CS nor RC are saints and are far from perfect parents. Most people, including me, aren't. MOO.

No offense taken at all. : ) I might have been mistaken on who's post I was replying too earlier in the week. I am sorry if I singled you out in any way. There are certainly no saints that I can see....except maybe our moderators, who have to be saints to oversee all of us.

My husband is on his laptop watching the Alabama/ LSU game game so I have been excused for the time being from my place next to him on the sofa....lol

 

[Whisperer]

This whole thing of pitting Crystal against RC is getting old. When it comes to jails, arrests, courts and records, RC scores the highest of all the people involved, except for Misty who we don't have privy to see her records

Has anyone ever posted CS's records? This is why people argue so much, imo, they don't want CS left out because they feel she is equally responsible for Haleigh and her vanishing. Not so, again RC wins. He had residential custody and primary care.

I don't know why it offends people to acknowledge these facts. Whenever there is a domestic crime, the people closest to the scene are scrutinized. I think most of us realize that, but see a need to defend and advocate for RC. Maybe it stems from how some got it wrong on the Jessica Lundsford case and are afraid to be wrong.

Some of us are going to be wrong if the case ever gets solved and I don't think it will make a hill of beans, which one of us are. But in this case, CS gets a pass for any close scrutiny because of her residence. She also doesn't have a lengthy criminal record, if any....unlike the other two.

When you combine the LE saying M is lying. Ron marries her anyway and their records combined (assuming M has some), it doesn't look good.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

I was trying to make you aware. I'm sorry if you feel I was unkind. It wasn't meant to be but if you close your eyes to all of what you could glean, then I can't help that. BTW, LE did not indicate that they felt Ron or Misty was guilty of anything and neither did Tim.

appreciate the apology. now I'm just :furious: angry about LE being on the show. Why hasn't anyone posted about that here in Haleigh's forum where we discuss the case? Speaks volumes to me.

 

[Whisperer]

Never knew about the show...never heard it either.

LE doesn't need to be defended. They have the reasons why they can't say anything. Most of us have a good idea why. They are after one/two people who won't talk. There are also a few others involved protecting the possible perps. Pretty clear that nothing was revealed on the show either..OR .. we would have heard about it.

LE has not had cooperation by the major players in this case....period.

They have no evidence but they have suspicions. It is a circumstantial case w/o anyone talking...it is going nowhere. R & M with advice from three attorneys have done a good job at keeping LE at bay, IMO.

 

[debs]

There is discussion of Levi's show and what was said just down about 6 threads on the main page.

 

[Whisperer]

Thanks Debs.

 

[elle1919]

I don't think Crystal's residence is what LE used to declare they aren't suspicious of her. I tend to think it was her cooperation and conversations with LE. Crystal, like Ronald was offered a LD test and accepted their offer to help remove any suspicion they might have had. While we haven't heard she passed, we have heard she is not a suspect at this time and neither is Ronald.

I don't think it is a matter of right or wrong, who wants to be right when we have a little girl missing? I am not afraid of being wrong...I would welcome any and all resolution in this case. You would hear absolutely no sugar coating of the issues from me if Ronald or Crystal are implicated.

 

[Whisperer]

Never said LE used CS residence to clear her of suspicion. I insinuated it is a reason not to include her on the top of the list. Misty and Ron hold that place and should. Misty and Ron need to be officially cleared....they haven't....must be a reason. They need to be cleared before anyone else. That is where you start with a case.

We have TN who hired a Defense Attorney; We have Misty who hired a Defense Attorney and we have RC. How many innocent fathers of missing children have a Defense Attorney?:waitasec:

We have started with Misty and Ron and will remain there with them as the focus till they are officially cleared. If Ron was officially cleared ,he would have no need for Shoemaker. I rest my case.

 

[curvecuti]

appreciate the apology. now I'm just :furious: angry about LE being on the show. Why hasn't anyone posted about that here in Haleigh's forum where we discuss the case? Speaks volumes to me.

Kool I posted this on the Interview thread but I'll put it here too for you. Re: the LE on the show;

He was a police chief of a town here in NC not too far from me. It's a very small town, the population is under 4000 I'm sure. He has alot of Criminal Justice degrees and teaches at the Community Colleges. He may live in Florida now, but as far as I know he has NO connection to Satsuma nor Haleigh's case.