Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #13

[keek]

Putin's surrender

..and kept surrendered

 

[Snoopster]

This week, so sure more sanctions that were put in place will be removed quickly and so very dangerously for us.

Yup, Trump is opening up the door wide to the enemy.
"But Russia has nukes!" Yes, and so does the US. The US told the rest of the world to 'rely on them as they had nukes'. Ukraine and Poland agree not to develop nukes based on that promise.
And here are people willing to lie down to Russia without the slightest saber rattling. Imagine how the people who fought the cold war (behind the scenes) feel now to see this sad excuse for America.

 

[SouthAussie]

16m ago00.14 GMT
Protesters gathered at parks, statehouses and other public ground across the country on Tuesday to demonstrate against Donald Trump’s second-term agenda.

The rallies and marches were set in motion by the 50501 Movement, a volunteer-driven group organized in the weeks after Trump’s inauguration.

Here are some images from events scheduled throughout the day.

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People protest against Donald Trump before his address to a joint session of Congress, in Washington, DC. Photograph: Alex Wroblewski/AFP/Getty Images

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Flags fly in the wind during a protest against the Trump administration in Cleveland.Photograph: Sue Ogrocki/AP

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Citizens rally on the Boston Common near the historic Parkman Bandstand, as they call for changes in the policies of Donald Trump in Boston, Massachusetts. Photograph: Cj Gunther/EPA

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People hold up signs to protest the Trump administration in San Francisco. Photograph: Godofredo A Vásquez/AP

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Demonstrators protest the agenda of Donald Trump during a rally and march through downtown in Chicago, Illinois. Photograph: Scott Olson/Getty

Trump touts renewal of rightwing policies in lengthy speech as Democrats jeer, protest and walk out – as it happened

Trump praises Elon Musk and defends trade wars; Democratic congressman Al Green was removed from chamber for early disruption to Trump’s speech

www.theguardian.com

Another thing I heard on our Aussie radio news today ... protesters in all 50 states for Trump's address to congress.


Protesters have so many things to push back against — from tariffs to Trump’s reset on the war in Ukraine to the aggressive and sometimes legally dubious actions of the Department of Government Efficiency and its leader, billionaire Elon Musk, that it’s hard to know what to focus on.

Demonstrators across 50 states look to unify a disparate opposition to Trump and his sweeping agenda

As Donald Trump prepares to address a joint session of Congress, protest groups are gathering at parks, statehouses and other public grounds to assail his presidency as dangerous and un-American.

apnews.com

 

[keek]

Yup, Trump is opening up the door wide to the enemy.
"But Russia has nukes!" Yes, and so does the US. The US told the rest of the world to 'rely on them as they had nukes'. Ukraine and Poland agree not to develop nukes based on that promise.
And here are people willing to lie down to Russia without the slightest saber rattling. Imagine how the people who fought the cold war (behind the scenes) feel now to see this sad excuse for America.

I for one am numb with shock, after all these years and knowing all the people and the cost to them, fought to keep us safe, the world safe, and in an instant...

 

[keek]

Another thing I heard on our Aussie radio news today ... protesters in all 50 states for Trump's address to congress.


Protesters have so many things to push back against — from tariffs to Trump’s reset on the war in Ukraine to the aggressive and sometimes legally dubious actions of the Department of Government Efficiency and its leader, billionaire Elon Musk, that it’s hard to know what to focus on.

Demonstrators across 50 states look to unify a disparate opposition to Trump and his sweeping agenda

As Donald Trump prepares to address a joint session of Congress, protest groups are gathering at parks, statehouses and other public grounds to assail his presidency as dangerous and un-American.

apnews.com

Oh yes, in our towns here as well. Sure in most towns and cities, for sure, across the USA. My town.

 

[keek]

Oh yes, in our towns here as well. Sure in most towns and cities, for sure, across the USA. My town.

There have been plenty for a while!

 

[SouthAussie]

1. As a reminder, this is what we know that Putin offered to the US during the recent US/Russia talks about Ukraine ... (paraphrased)

• a joint US-Russia mission to Mars, involving Musk also
• Putin offering to work with the US to mine Russian rare earth metals
• to sell 2 million tons of aluminium to the US if the US lifts sanctions
• Russia and the US forming a joint venture for aluminium production in Siberia

Putin Envoy Dangles Business Ties to Lure US to Ukraine Deal


2. Now in reports from Trump's address to Congress tonight ...

Trump pledges to 'plant the American flag on Mars'​

He says America will “conquer the vast frontiers of science” and “lead humanity into space” and “plant the American flag on the planet Mars and even far beyond”.

Trump touts renewal of rightwing policies in lengthy speech as Democrats jeer, protest and walk out – as it happened

Trump praises Elon Musk and defends trade wars; Democratic congressman Al Green was removed from chamber for early disruption to Trump’s speech

www.theguardian.com

 

[Betty P]

I don’t know how this got so far off topic, but I would like to bring it back. How do you think war can be ended, so the people of Ukraine can begin to rebuild and live their lives again? JMO MOO

It sounds like they had a workable deal before Trump blew it up in the recent meeting. Ukraine was willing to allow Russia to keep the territory it occupied, there were deals agreed to on the mining. Security for Ukraine would be provided by European allies and the US if Russia tried to invade Ukraine again.

For some reason, Trump trashed that plan, apparently because he didn't want the US to share their part of the security for Ukraine.

Its good that the EU countries are going to expand their military capability. They have to. Russia is very likely to continue invading neighboring countries because Putin wants Russia's economy is in deep trouble.

 

[KMouse]

Another thing I heard on our Aussie radio news today ... protesters in all 50 states for Trump's address to congress.


Protesters have so many things to push back against — from tariffs to Trump’s reset on the war in Ukraine to the aggressive and sometimes legally dubious actions of the Department of Government Efficiency and its leader, billionaire Elon Musk, that it’s hard to know what to focus on.

Demonstrators across 50 states look to unify a disparate opposition to Trump and his sweeping agenda

As Donald Trump prepares to address a joint session of Congress, protest groups are gathering at parks, statehouses and other public grounds to assail his presidency as dangerous and un-American.

apnews.com

There are protests planned in Canada outside of the US Embassies. There's calls to ban Donald from the G7 Summit in June.

 

[Snoopster]

1. As a reminder, this is what we know that Putin offered to the US during the recent US/Russia talks about Ukraine ... (paraphrased)

• a joint US-Russia mission to Mars, involving Musk also
• Putin offering to work with the US to mine Russian rare earth metals
• to sell 2 million tons of aluminium to the US if the US lifts sanctions
• Russia and the US forming a joint venture for aluminium production in Siberia

Putin Envoy Dangles Business Ties to Lure US to Ukraine Deal


2. Now in reports from Trump's address to Congress tonight ...

Trump pledges to 'plant the American flag on Mars'​

He says America will “conquer the vast frontiers of science” and “lead humanity into space” and “plant the American flag on the planet Mars and even far beyond”.

Trump touts renewal of rightwing policies in lengthy speech as Democrats jeer, protest and walk out – as it happened

Trump praises Elon Musk and defends trade wars; Democratic congressman Al Green was removed from chamber for early disruption to Trump’s speech

www.theguardian.com

This is exactly right.
It tells us that American can be bought.
The USA eliminated many sanctions and controls against Russia. Why is that?
The USA has attacked (economically and threats) many of their closest DEMOCRATIC allies. Why is that?

It seems to me that the Trump admin is compromised. JMO. But I'm struggling to find another answer to the US Admin behavior!

 

[Snoopster]

There are protests planned in Canada outside of the US Embassies. There's calls to ban Donald from the G7 Summit in June.

Trump will absolutely not be welcome here in Canada for the G7 Summit. He declared that Canada was effectively an enemy. Why would we possibly let him into our country?

 

[Marysmith]

This is such a nightmare sincerely.

 

[Stella123]

Putin's surrender

That's a point. One way to end the war is if some secret mission could capture Putin - he is a wanted war criminal with an arrest out for him. Has no one considered that? A secret mission? JMO MOO

 

[Stella123]

It seems Putin is advising Trump on world domination JMO MOO

 

[Stella123]

"Although the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague has issued a warrant for President Vladimir Putin's arrest, it is no more than the first step in a very long process.
The court clearly believes there is sufficient evidence to accuse the Russian leader of war crimes in Ukraine.

However, the practical and logistical problems in pursuing such a case are immense.

This is what the process of bringing Mr Putin to justice could look like.

Can President Putin be arrested?​

At present, the Russian leader enjoys unchallenged power in his native land, so there is no prospect of the Kremlin handing him over to the ICC.

As long as he stays put in Russia, he faces no risk of being arrested.

Mr Putin could be detained if he leaves the country. But given the fact that his freedom of movement is already severely limited by international sanctions against him, he is unlikely to show up in a country that would want to put him on trial."

Will Vladimir Putin ever face a war crimes trial?

Despite the charges against him at The Hague, the chances of a prosecution for Ukraine war crimes are slim.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Lilibet]

Trump will absolutely not be welcome here in Canada for the G7 Summit. He declared that Canada was effectively an enemy. Why would we possibly let him into our country?

Besides, he’s a felon. I checked earlier to see if that would keep him out of the U.K. and it wouldn’t, more’s the pity.

 

[Snoopster]

Besides, he’s a felon. I checked earlier to see if that would keep him out of the U.K. and it wouldn’t, more’s the pity.

I believe that I read somewhere that he needs special permission to enter Canada since he's a felon. We Canadians are mad <modsnip> and he isn't going to be allowed to come here. On the off-chance that he is...unfortunately the G7 meeting is scheduled to take place in Alberta, our one Trump-friendly province, sadly.

 

[PommyMommy]

ISW's @KatStepanenko spoke to @CNN's @IvanaKottasova on the impact of the Trump administration's decision to pause US military aid to Ukraine:

“It will have significant consequences, but the Russians are not likely to break through immediately or in the coming months,” said Stepanenko, the Russia deputy team lead and analyst at the Institute for the Study of War, a US-based conflict monitor.

“The Ukrainians will be able to hold a defense, as we had seen them do in the past during the previous problems with aid,” she added, pointing to last year when deliveries from the US slowed down as Congress stalled on the next aid package.

MORE: “Ukrainians have significantly ramped up their production of drones, of their artillery, of their own personnel carriers. They’ve been doing that since 2023 since facing the possibility of not having aid,” Stepanenko said.....Stepanenko said that Ukraine’s best option is to focus on strengthening its coalition with Europe.

“Ukraine had already laid pretty good groundwork for that by forming several initiatives, for example, several European states formed ammunition initiatives, they formed drone initiatives, air defense initiatives, and I think this is the time to expand those,” she said.

“There’s also a significant discussion about the need to seize Russian frozen assets in Europe to help sponsor any procurement of weapons, not just from the US, but also globally,” she added, pointing to countries like South Korea, which has in the past sold the US ammunition that was later given to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897025664479584728

 

[Vern]

Appears Canada and Mexico have come to the bargaining table with TRUMP....

MSN

No; we haven't. Will things be discussed? I am sure they will. But don't rush to determine who approached who.

The current trade deal between Canada, Mexico and the US is the USMCA. The USMCA was insisted upon, negotiated and signed by Donald J. Trump and brought into effect in 2020.

At 0001hrs yesterday morning (4 March 2025), Trump breached that International Trade Agreement that he himself designed and put into force, by placing 25% tarrifs onto Canadian goods. Canada reciprocated yesterday afternoon (4 March), by placing "retaliatory tarrifs" of the same amount onto the US. for his breaching of his very own trade agreement. Even Trump acknowledges that our 25% are actually "retaliatory" for the 25% he placed on us.

Then this presser hit the airwaves from Premier Doug Ford (LCBO just happens to be the largest purchaser of alcohol in the world). LCBO meand there is now no American alcohol on their shelves, in any bars, restaurants etc .... or on any other provinces shelves for that matter). He also discusses "just shutting off the hydro and energy" provided by them to 1.5 million US households in NY, Minnesota & Michigan. BTW, a mere 5 days ago Doug Ford won his 3rd straight Conservative Majority government in Ontario after he called to have the election 2 years early ... based exactly upon getting a clear mandate from the voters to clearly and fully retaliate AGAINST any breach of USMCA by Trump.

Apparently, Kentucky isn't happy

American refineries are specificly designed and built to process heavy crude. Heavy crude to the tune of 4.5 million barrells a day from Canada. Not the regular oil. Ref Their prices, thus yours, are going up.

Canada exports 46% of our potash worldwide, but 85% of the critical potash that America needs to produce its fertilizers for high yield for farmers comes from Canada. US tariff on Canadian potash imports goes ahead | Latest Market News Those very same US farmers still haven't fully recovered from the impacts of Trump's tarrifs that he imposed at the beginning of his last term in office as 45. They arent happy.

Canada has uranium. The US needs to import 95% of its uranium. Uranium is used in medicine to create radioactive isotopes that treat cancer and other conditions. Think 'radiation' therapy, MRIs, X-Rays. Maybe that's why he (or DOGE is it?) is cutting cancer research?

The US auto industry is alarmed (because steel, aluminum etc): Automakers warn that Trump tariffs will hike vehicle prices as much as 25%
and The auto industry can withstand only a few weeks of President Donald Trump's 25% tariffs against Canada and Mexico until costs to automakers and suppliers rise astronomically, resulting in higher consumer prices and risking massive job losses, experts said Tuesday.

The thing is: Canada actually exports raw material goods required to 'build stuff'. We also export services (heat, power, electricity). We import finished goods. We import luxury items from the US, but we already can & do egt those goods from elsewhere too. We are also now in the process of increasing getting them from elsewhere - just switching out our main supplier.

As for 'food'; we've got plenty. Grain for the world, beef, pork, chicken (and no bird flu!) etc etc. A flat of 30 eggs still cost me just $4.88 Canadian at Costco today. We're switching to Mexico for our fruits etc.

<modsnip> Bt then, Trump announced he was going to breach his very own International Agreement USMCA and impose tariffs on us ... the Liberals will have a new leader shortly and the polls have changed to a super majority for the Liberals. <modsnip> Canadians are that united against this breach of international agreement by your President and against Trump's threat to bring us to our knees economicly so that we will collapse as a nation and become your "beloved 51st State".

We'll weather it.

I do know that the US Commerce Secretary (Lutnick) reached out to talk Ontario Premier Doug Ford after Ford's presser and the prime Minister's pressers today (Ford told him the same message that we all saw at the presser: he'd turn the power off if required) ... and after that stock market started nose diving asking us 'to meet half way'.


Trump is the President of the United States. <modsnip> But, he is a chaos leader. And he has elected to do that on the world stage at home and abroad with his own citizens and with allies.

But, much like Ukraine and the breach of the Budapest Memorandum, please don't just expect us to ignore the chaos, 'be diplomatic' and heap praise and thanks on him when he is threatening our very existence and survial as a democratic sovereign nation. Like Ukrainians, Canadians won't 'just surrender' - we never have.

Personally, IMO, I can't wait for the next 4 years to be done with ... if only to put an end to the chaos and I know many Americans who feel the exact same way.

 

[Rush4087]

Another thing I heard on our Aussie radio news today ... protesters in all 50 states for Trump's address to congress.


Protesters have so many things to push back against — from tariffs to Trump’s reset on the war in Ukraine to the aggressive and sometimes legally dubious actions of the Department of Government Efficiency and its leader, billionaire Elon Musk, that it’s hard to know what to focus on.

Demonstrators across 50 states look to unify a disparate opposition to Trump and his sweeping agenda

As Donald Trump prepares to address a joint session of Congress, protest groups are gathering at parks, statehouses and other public grounds to assail his presidency as dangerous and un-American.

apnews.com

Why would anybody think there would NOT be rallies on the part of one side - or a cause of one side - against their counterparts and opposition? This is more fake news by the hard left associated press. The AP has perhaps gone farther left faster (in last 6 months) than any other media entity. That and the Atlantic.

I can link example after example of AP’s clear liberal bias. Even the media bias checkers show them as left wing. They have become more frothy as the pendulum has slightly swung the other direction finally at WaPo, NYT, and WSJ, though progress is slow. It’s not hard, just make an effort to be unbiased.

I miss the days when you wanted desperately to read the newspaper. In my teens and 20’s The NYT was a real treat. I’d pick up a copy at a convenience or book store or in airports (I travelled a lot in the 70’s and 80’s). Used to even watch CNN in those same airports until it all became clownishly one sided. Those papers too. So sad to watch one of the only things you felt you could depend get so undependable and compromised. Poisoned. Fouled.

If the article is giving the impression that there is lots of grass roots support against Trump, it’s overstating things x 1000. If you saw his performance tonight in front of Congress you’d realize just how much support he does have. His address was magnificent. it was magical. Historic. Even ask dems.

Trump and the US are not abandoning Ukraine or our allies in the EU. The US are not in cahoots with Putin. Anybody who says that is an idiot or doesn’t understand how global politics (and Trump) works. Media outlets reporting this are hyperventilating leftist shills imo.

All Trump has said is: we’re now 300 billion and three years in, how are the peace negations coming?. The response from the guy wearing the turtleneck was: we’re not talking to Putin, not till you get us Crimea and Donbas back and guarantee our safety from the Russians forever. Trump basically said: get of here, and come back when you’re a grown up; people are dying. And btw, don’t keep counting on the 300 million if you’re not interested in peace. We don’t fund “forever” wars, and we won’t be tricked into involving the USA in (and definitely not starting) what will surely become WW III.

You insult us greatly by thinking we would fall for your belligerent duplicity and disrespect on national TV. Who do you think you’re dealing with? You have lost your mind, and our respect

What is so wrong with that? The net result will still be peace. The net result will be a stronger EU militarily. The net result will be huge billions invested to rebuild Ukraine. Why does that upset people?

The only people who will be upset that the obscene war is being halted are the globalist socialist central planners of the EU, the power brokers and oligarchs who gain power and make money from the war (and yap and virtue signal to the left wing press)

And in a post above, “Arab leaders meeting to come up with 53 billion deal to rebuild Gaza”. Doesn’t happen without Trumps wacky idea. He just keeps winning.

The war in Ukraine will soon be over. And the EU will be safe (and smarter). Leftist media outlets and left wing talking heads will try to tell you differently, but it’s all lies.

Trump has the support of the American people. Huge support. He knows how evil Russia is. He knows that Putin is Darth Vader. He’s been in office all of 43 days and he has nearly ended the war. Give him a chance. You are in for a surprise (though I don’t expect any of you to ever admit it). He has already changed America for good, dramatically

All jmo