Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #13

[margarita25]

Live updates: Russia attacks Ukraine

Military Times
Live Twitter updates from Russia’s massive Ukraine invasion

“As Russian President Vladimir Putin tonight announced a special “special military operation” and reportedly launched a major attack on neighboring Ukraine, President Joe Biden responded that the Russian government would be held accountable for “catastrophic loss of life and human suffering.”

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[Sillybilly]

APPROVED SOURCES
(In addition to approved MSM from around the world)

The Kyiv Independent
Ukrinform
Nexta TV
Hromadske
AtlanticCouncil.org
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL)
Euromaidan Press
The New Voice of Ukraine


NON APPROVED SOURCES
(Do not link to the following Russian state affiliated agencies or sources that promote or spread false information)

TASS
Korrespondent media and all other UMH Group publications found here
RT and RT America
Sputnik
Russia 24
RIA Novosti
Dozhd TV
Ekho Moskvy
Komsomolskaya Pravda
Russia-24
VGTRK (Russia TV)
Aram Gabrelyanov media (including Zhizn, Lifenews.ru, Izvestia)
Global Times (Chinese publication, known for fabrications, disinformation, misinformation and conspiracy theories.)

 

[Sillybilly]

Please continue discussion here.

This is a very difficult topic for Mods to moderate. Bickering, rudeness, personalizing, over-alerting, etc that creates more work for them will not be tolerated.

 

[JennieM]

4m ago18.47 GMT
Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he had instructed his defence minister and other officials to secure precise information on military supplies after the U.S. announced it was pausing assistance.

“I have instructed Ukraine’s minister of defence, intelligence chief and diplomats to contact their counterparts in the United States and obtain official information,” Zelenskyy said in his nightly video address.

“People should not be left to guess.”

He said maintaining a “normal, partnership relationship with America is crucial for truly ending the war. None of us wants an endless war.”

US and Ukraine ‘preparing to sign minerals deal on Tuesday’, reports suggest – as it happened

Zelenskyy says his country is ready to sign minerals and security agreement while admitting White House meeting ‘did not go the way it was supposed to’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Charlot123]

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“I support tariffs, wish UK would do the same

For too long people have been buying cheap imports from China, India, wherever, instead of buying home grown products, the mindset needs changing so that Americans buy American products before foreign, British people buy British made products/foods/cars instead of foreign imports etc

By bringing in these tariffs Trump is saving American jobs, increasing American jobs as more domestic demand as people buy less foreign stuff

Good on him, wish my PM Starmer had the balls to put his country first and impose tariffs too”


My answer: First we have NAFTA - what happened to it?
It was specifically for free trade with Canada and Mexico.

If Trump wants to go after cartels, good. But tariffs on legal trade with NAFTA members?

Second, Chinese goods still reach us via some companies located in North Carolina or elsewhere. They have found the way to bypass. Don’t get me wrong, China has learned how to make better goods even luxury brands have some made there. But, it is not “Italian design” anymore, right ?

In the meantime, Canada makes good clothes that are not sold in US en masse.

 

[JennieM]

15m ago19.14 GMT

US and Ukraine 'preparing to sign minerals deal on Tuesday'​

U.S. president Donald Trump’s administration and Ukraine plan to sign the much-debated minerals deal, people familiar with the situation told Reuters.

Trump has told his advisers he wants to announce the agreement in his address to Congress on Tuesday evening, three of the sources said, cautioning that the deal had yet to be signed and the situation could change.

The deal was put on hold on Friday after a contentious Oval Office meeting between Trump and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy that resulted in the Ukrainian leader’s swift departure from the White House.

Zelenskyy had traveled to Washington to sign the deal.

US and Ukraine ‘preparing to sign minerals deal on Tuesday’, reports suggest – as it happened

Zelenskyy says his country is ready to sign minerals and security agreement while admitting White House meeting ‘did not go the way it was supposed to’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Simply Southern]

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“I support tariffs, wish UK would do the same

For too long people have been buying cheap imports from China, India, wherever, instead of buying home grown products, the mindset needs changing so that Americans buy American products before foreign, British people buy British made products/foods/cars instead of foreign imports etc

By bringing in these tariffs Trump is saving American jobs, increasing American jobs as more domestic demand as people buy less foreign stuff

Good on him, wish my PM Starmer had the balls to put his country first and impose tariffs too”


My answer: First we have NAFTA - what happened to it?
It was specifically for free trade with Canada and Mexico.

If Trump wants to go after cartels, good. But tariffs on legal trade with NAFTA members?

Second, Chinese goods still reach us via some companies located in North Carolina or elsewhere. They have found the way to bypass. Don’t get me wrong, China has learned how to make better goods even luxury brands have some made there. But, it is not “Italian design” anymore, right ?

In the meantime, Canada makes good clothes that are not sold in US en masse.

The UK does have a 20% tarriff on some imports. I'm not sure what it applies to. I do know that April 2nd, the US will be imposing a reciprocal tarriff. Whatever the country charges US for imports we will extend that same tariff for exports to the United States. Kind of what goes around comes around.

NAFTA was years ago. We far exceed imports from Mexico than we export to them. We export more to Canada then we import. Wonder why doesn't import clothing to the US. I would much prefer to buy from Canada to Mexico. It may be due to cost. Mexico has cheap labor, offer speed benefits and I think they're quality is kind of iffy.

Moo

 

[JennieM]

5m ago19.24 GMT

Lisa O'Carroll
Ireland has announced it will contribute a further €100 million to provide non-lethal military support to Ukraine.

Some €20m will be given to de-mining and IT coalitions with a further €80m into an EU procurement fund for radar and anti-drone jamming devices among other supports.

Ireland has previously contributed €250m through a European peace facility fund but as it operates political neutrality the money has been ringfenced for non-lethal aid including land mine clearances and fuel.

Deputy prime minister Simon Harris said: “We will also continue to work with our EU and international partners towards a just, comprehensive and lasting peace on Ukraine’s terms, based on respect for the principles of the UN Charter and international law, and with justice and accountability at its heart.”

US and Ukraine ‘preparing to sign minerals deal on Tuesday’, reports suggest – as it happened

Zelenskyy says his country is ready to sign minerals and security agreement while admitting White House meeting ‘did not go the way it was supposed to’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Simply Southern]

15m ago19.14 GMT

US and Ukraine 'preparing to sign minerals deal on Tuesday'​

U.S. president Donald Trump’s administration and Ukraine plan to sign the much-debated minerals deal, people familiar with the situation told Reuters.

Trump has told his advisers he wants to announce the agreement in his address to Congress on Tuesday evening, three of the sources said, cautioning that the deal had yet to be signed and the situation could change.

The deal was put on hold on Friday after a contentious Oval Office meeting between Trump and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy that resulted in the Ukrainian leader’s swift departure from the White House.

Zelenskyy had traveled to Washington to sign the deal.

US and Ukraine ‘preparing to sign minerals deal on Tuesday’, reports suggest – as it happened

Zelenskyy says his country is ready to sign minerals and security agreement while admitting White House meeting ‘did not go the way it was supposed to’

www.theguardian.com

I hope it's not another false start. Hopefully we can send somebody to Ukraine just find the deal. I sure don't want to deal with another visit with Zelensky.

Personally I don't think we should sign the agreement. He's still not thanked us and he's certainly not apologized for his performance on Friday.
Moo

 

[LibraStarr]

NAFTA was years ago. We far exceed imports from Mexico than we export to them. We export more to Canada then we import.

NAFTA was definitely a while ago—it got replaced by the USMCA in 2020, but the trade relationships are still pretty similar.

As for trade balances, the U.S. actually runs a trade deficit with both Mexico and Canada—meaning we import more from both than we export. In 2023, the U.S. imported about $476 billion in goods from Mexico and exported $323 billion. With Canada, we imported $450 billion and exported $354 billion (source). So, while Canada is a big trade partner, we still buy more from them than we sell. IMO

 

[Simply Southern]

NAFTA was definitely a while ago—it got replaced by the USMCA in 2020, but the trade relationships are still pretty similar.

As for trade balances, the U.S. actually runs a trade deficit with both Mexico and Canada—meaning we import more from both than we export. In 2023, the U.S. imported about $476 billion in goods from Mexico and exported $323 billion. With Canada, we imported $450 billion and exported $354 billion (source). So, while Canada is a big trade partner, we still buy more from them than we sell. IMO

Wow, we need to even that up. Moo...

 

[statt#1]

Z on the X, wow!

 

[branmuffin]

I think most Americans and Canadians have heard of the TV show Shark Tank, a show that has prospective innovators to showcase their plans for a product or idea and are hoping to attract one of the hosts who are described as 'titans of industry' to invest in their ideas or products. The hosts can opt in or not. Sometimes all of them battle for control driving up the investment. Two Canadian people who are on the show are Kevin O'Leary a loud mouthed brash person who seems to copy Trump's over the top style and Arlene Dickinson, a woman who has a more laid back approach by taking someone under her wing. Their personalities couldn't be more different. Arlene has become very alarmed at the situation in the states and has written on Facebook some of her thoughts. Today, this is what she wrote:

from: Arlene Dickinson

*******************

"One of the things I have learned as part of what’s going on—and frankly more than I ever really wanted to—is how the U.S. government actually operates. I used to assume democracy was hard at work, elections, votes, constitutions etc. I believed there were real checks and balances in place to stop undemocratic, dictator-like moves by narcissistic, power-hungry leaders. I sure hope I’m not wrong that the rule of law in the U.S. will prevail.

[...]

Trump is imposing tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and China under a law meant for national security emergencies. This is a complete misuse of executive authority. The US law he’s invoking, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), was never created to be used this way. It was designed for extreme situations—like freezing assets linked to terrorism—sanctions against bad actors (you know like, um, Russia for example) not for slapping tariffs on allies and trade partners. By twisting it to fit his agenda and claiming a national emergency at the border, he’s setting a dangerous precedent. If he gets away with this, he can declare an “emergency” anytime he wants, disrupting global trade and world order with no congressional oversight. And that? That’s dangerous.

I’ve said it a lot but these tariffs aren't about national security for the U.S. He’s using an emergency powers law—one designed for sanctions against hostile nations—to bypass Congress and impose economic penalties on America’s closest allies.

This is about power, plain and simple and was never about the border. Trump is using the presidency to manipulate global markets, punish allies, and avoid the checks and balances that are supposed to prevent exactly this kind of overreach. And with his grip on right-wing media and social platforms, Americans aren’t getting the full story.

[...]

her full FB post is here

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[musicaljoke]

I hope it's not another false start. Hopefully we can send somebody to Ukraine just find the deal. I sure don't want to deal with another visit with Zelensky.

Personally I don't think we should sign the agreement. He's still not thanked us and he's certainly not apologized for his performance on Friday.
Moo

I hope Zelensky doesn't sign an agreement in haste and I wish he would wait until the visit with Trump is thoroughly investigated. I don't think any country should trust the US to maintain the terms of an agreement with integrity as long as the present government is in power.

 

[JennieM]

Zelensky: 'Ukraine deserves peace. Ukrainians deserve respect'​

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says he has spoken with several European leaders today, including Britain's prime minister, Keir Starmer, and Nato Secretary-General Mark Rutte.

He thanks the leaders for their "clear support for Ukraine" in a post on X.

Zelensky says there are "very important updates from the European Commission regarding substantial funding for Europe’s defence", which for Ukraine "primarily means additional air defences”.

"We will continue consultations, and new joint steps will be taken," he adds.

"Ukraine deserves peace. Ukrainians deserve respect."

Zelensky ready to work under Trump's 'strong leadership' after 'regrettable' showdown

The Ukrainian president says last week's fiery Oval Office meeting "did not go the way it was supposed to", adding Kyiv is ready to sign a minerals deal.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Charlot123]

The UK does have a 20% tarriff on some imports. I'm not sure what it applies to. I do know that April 2nd, the US will be imposing a reciprocal tarriff. Whatever the country charges US for imports we will extend that same tariff for exports to the United States. Kind of what goes around comes around.

NAFTA was years ago. We far exceed imports from Mexico than we export to them. We export more to Canada then we import. Wonder why doesn't import clothing to the US. I would much prefer to buy from Canada to Mexico. It may be due to cost. Mexico has cheap labor, offer speed benefits and I think they're quality is kind of iffy.

Moo

Well, trust me, the best clothes I ever bought on this coast were from Canada, through some boutiques. The stores on the East Coast in Montreal were a lot better but even here the clothes were good. The boutiques have closed since but Canada has a lot to offer. We have always been neighbors. I don’t see Canada abusing the proximity tbh.

(Switching one’s potential personal opinion of the current leaders, and I think it contributes, to the whole countries makes no sense as the leaders are going to change. MOO. Canada has its own liberals and conservatives but in general, I think, economically tariffs are a wrong decision. If people’s economy is undercut, what happens? They turn to other markets).

 

[Stella123]

I hope it's not another false start. Hopefully we can send somebody to Ukraine just find the deal. I sure don't want to deal with another visit with Zelensky.

Personally I don't think we should sign the agreement. He's still not thanked us and he's certainly not apologized for his performance on Friday.
Moo

Why should he grovel - there should be no one-sided apology. Both sides should apologise and draw a line under it.

No more silly schoolyard behaviour and game playing.

What is a shadow defense secretary? Since somebody that sits on the sidelines?

In response to your question on the last thread. The Shadow Government is the opposition Government. Their ministers are called shadow ministers. So for example the Labour Party is the government in power and the Conservative party is called the Shadow government because they are not in power.

The Shadow defence secretary is the person who deals with defence in the party that is not in government. He is the opposite number to the defence secretary who is in Government.

As the shadow Government was in power until last year, the shadow defence secretary was actually formerly the defence secretary and will have dealt with all defence matters for the country previously (unless they appointed someone different recently, which I don't know).

 

[Stella123]

"
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has extended an olive branch to President Donald Trump and said he “regrets” last week’s showdown in the Oval Office.

“Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way,” Zelensky said in a post on X Tuesday. “It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive.”


Zelensky said he was ready to work under Trump’s “strong leadership” to get a peace deal in the social media post.

“We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long-ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same,” Zelensky wrote. “Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal.”

Extending an olive branch is the way to do it IMO. A good and formal statement to make and respectful to Trump. Have to say that neither Trump nor Vance have much respect in most uk online stuff at the moment!

Ukraine’s Zelensky ‘regrets’ meltdown meeting with Trump

Zelensky said he was ready to work under Trump’s ‘strong leadership’ to get a peace deal in the social media post

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Leilei]

I hope it's not another false start. Hopefully we can send somebody to Ukraine just find the deal. I sure don't want to deal with another visit with Zelensky.

Personally I don't think we should sign the agreement. He's still not thanked us and he's certainly not apologized for his performance on Friday.
Moo

He literally thanked us many, many times, before and after the Oval meeting. IMO.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-thankful-us-fact-check/index.html

 

[Summerliz03]

The statement that Zelensky just posted on X (sorry I’m unable to link to it, but I believe it’s been posted above) shows plenty of gratitude to both Trump (by name!) and the US and the American people in general, as well as all the other countries that have been supporting and helping Ukraine. He also apologized and took responsibility for how the meeting in the Oval Office went. I didn’t think he needed to apologize in the first place, as he didn’t do anything wrong and I’ve found him to be very thankful and expressing his gratitude the entire 3 years that his country has been invaded by a dictator. Hopefully his statement will be enough for the people still demanding he say thank you.