Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #13

[SouthAussie]

I am fully supportive of Ukraine, I don’t think that they should surrender a single inch of Ukrainian soil in any deal, Russia need to give up every inch of territory they have stolen over the years, but Zelensky needs to step down and be replaced by another leader, he has reverted to his old comedian mode with his dress sense and other aspects of his behaviour he also has a habit of rubbing people up the wrong way. Needs to step aside

You would have to convince the Ukraine people of that. Several days ago, Zelenskyy was unanimously reconfirmed by all members of their govt as their leader while this war is going on.

(Link posted by me further back in the threads)

 

[Sundog]

@Sundog .... in the last thread you asked about the content of this Washington Post article.

(paraphrased)

Zelenskyy has proposed a new framework for an agreement.

Partial ceasefire
Kyiv willing to release prisoners and agree to a truce that would ban long-range attacks on civilian and energy infrastructure
Move quickly (very) through the next stages and work with the U.S. to agree a strong final deal
Re-iterated (again) appreciation for US support
Has asked his top officials to confirm with their contacts if US support has stopped - sounds aa though Zelenskyy had received no official notice - thinks he shouldn't have to guess about that
Only about half of the equipment that Biden's last funds purchased has been received by Ukraine

Goes on to speak of Europe rallying behind Ukraine, and how happy Russia is.

Zelenskyy Offers Partial Ceasefire with Russia to Restart Talks

Thank you!

 

[Leilei]

He is the de facto vice president of the USA, he is not asking for money, Zelensky is asking for billions, he has less excuse to dress inappropriately than the effective VP in all but name

I don't recall Musk being on the ballot.
Nobody that I know, left or right leaning, has mentioned voting for him.
Maybe that's why Vance got his knickers in a twist the other day, while he wore an "acceptable" suit and tie.

IMO.

 

[keek]

No, he's not.

He is asking for assistance, from the whole world, not just the USA, in securing the very existence of the Sovereign state of which he is the lawfully elected leader.

Literally no one else on the planet has an issue with his mode of dress. Why does the USA? Given the context such objections are completely irrational.

Just t and his sidekick did, them, and the reporter boy friend of a MUCH maligned by her own people at times, Senators and Reps. person.

 

[LibraStarr]

Yes @LibraStarr …. absolutely agree….. sadly though, IMO it is almost as though those in elected office, the White House, and the administration are on the other hand allowing this unfettled access by this individual and the ability to …… well do exactly what is not clear. I best stop here and sit on my hands and finish this post. SMH. MOO

I get what you’re saying and I agree. But honestly, I just couldn’t let that rhetoric slide. If we let it pass unchecked, it becomes more normalized, and that’s dangerous.

IMO

 

[BrianJohnson]

I don't recall Musk being on the ballot.
Nobody that I know, left or right leaning, has mentioned voting for him.
Maybe that's why Vance got his knickers in a twist the other day, while he wore an "acceptable" suit and tie.

IMO.

He is the CEO of the DOGE, a major government department, he wont have been on any ballot paper but nor was other senior roles like secretary of state

 

[UK Girl]

I hope it's not another false start. Hopefully we can send somebody to Ukraine just find the deal. I sure don't want to deal with another visit with Zelensky.

Personally I don't think we should sign the agreement. He's still not thanked us and he's certainly not apologized for his performance on Friday.
Moo

Honestly I do not think Zelensky should go anywhere near the White house unless Macron or Starmer is with him.

 

[UK Girl]

The UK does have a 20% tarriff on some imports. I'm not sure what it applies to. I do know that April 2nd, the US will be imposing a reciprocal tarriff. Whatever the country charges US for imports we will extend that same tariff for exports to the United States. Kind of what goes around comes around.

NAFTA was years ago. We far exceed imports from Mexico than we export to them. We export more to Canada then we import. Wonder why doesn't import clothing to the US. I would much prefer to buy from Canada to Mexico. It may be due to cost. Mexico has cheap labor, offer speed benefits and I think they're quality is kind of iffy.

Moo

It isnt a tarriff. Its merely the same tax we all pay here.

 

[tlcya]

He is the CEO of the DOGE, a major government department, he wont have been on any ballot paper but nor was other senior roles like secretary of state

still waiting for you to explain how any of the above makes him the de facto VP of the United States of America.

 

[UK Girl]

Zelensky needs to show respect in other ways too, height of rudeness and disrespect entering the Oval Office, the most important office in the free world, without wearing a suit and tie, I understand the point Zelensky is trying to make wearing military attire but it is disrespectful to not wear a suit meeting the leader of the free world

The King did not complain about him wearing a suit!

 

[Sundog]

He is the CEO of the DOGE, a major government department, he wont have been on any ballot paper but nor was other senior roles like secretary of state

I believe that the new department of government efficiency is a new department established by the Trump administration, and that President Trump appointed Elon Musk to direct the new department. Department directors are not elected officials and mostly do not require Senate confirmation, they are appointments by the Administration. Cabinet members, like the Secretary of State, are nominated by the President and require Senate confirmation. Secretary Rubio was confirmed by a vote of the U.S. Senate, following his nomination by the President.

edited for clarification

 

[BrianJohnson]

still waiting for you to explain how any of the above makes him the de facto VP of the United States of America.

He is one of the most famous men on the planet if not THE most famous, who had heard of JD Vance till couple of months ago?

 

[Summerliz03]

He is the CEO of the DOGE, a major government department, he wont have been on any ballot paper but nor was other senior roles like secretary of state

Why do we need a “CEO” of a government agency? A government is not a corporation (and should not be run by one). And I’m fairly sure Trump, as well as Karoline Leavitt, the press secretary, has spoken out to say that Musk is not running DOGE and named Amy Gleason as the administrator in charge of DOGE (although they did admit she was currently on vacation in Mexico) When you google DOGE, Musk is not listed as the chairperson, the administrator, the manager, nothing. It says “Key Person” That also doesn’t change the fact that Elon Musk was not elected, and he also didn’t go through the same congressional appointment process that most of the other heads of the Cabinet have. And I find that to be a big problem, given how much involvement he currently has in our government.

 

[UK Girl]

Moo...the finances and support of USA have been stopped. That is economic blackmail....moo

From Sky tonight Trump treads fine line between striking a deal and blackmailing Ukraine

 

[tlcya]

He is one of the most famous men on the planet if not THE most famous, who had heard of JD Vance till couple of months ago?

so fame makes one a de facto Vice President. Got it. Thanks for explaining. I was hoping you might confirm what we all know. That he bought a presidency.

 

[keek]

The King did not complain about him wearing a suit!

The King is way above all that. His focus is on the man and the awful issue at hand for Ukraine and his country as well. ANYONE would be mind you.

 

[Sundog]

Honestly I do not think Zelensky should go anywhere near the White house unless Macron or Starmer is with him.

If he needs a chaperone or hand-holding, he really isn't ready for the big times and should step down immediately. I'm guessing, though, that Starmer made it clear to Zelensky that he needed to put on his big boy pants and go back and make the deal.

 

[SouthAussie]

No, he's not.

He is asking for assistance, from the whole world, not just the USA, in securing the very existence of the Sovereign state of which he is the lawfully elected leader.

Literally no one else on the planet has an issue with his mode of dress. Why does the USA? Given the context such objections are completely irrational.

Because it deflects from the issue at hand. Just like all the other deflections ... like Zelenskyy 'should step down' for not doing what the US wanted him to do in that WH meeting.

The issue at hand is ... what is Putin going to offer in any peace deal?

imo

 

[Leilei]

He is the CEO of the DOGE, a major government department, he wont have been on any ballot paper but nor was other senior roles like secretary of state

So, he's not defacto VP, as stated earlier?
Understood.
I think.
IMO.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Because it deflects from the issue at hand. Just like all the other deflections ... like Zelenskyy 'should step down' for not doing what the US wanted him to do in that WH meeting.

The issue at hand is ... what is Putin going to offer in any peace deal?

imo

Precisely!