Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #13

[SouthAussie]

If you saw his performance in front of Congress tonight you’d realize just how much support he has. His address was magnificent. it was magical. Historic. Even ask dems.

Facts matter (as another member here often says )

Just as the real facts about how much financial aid the US has given to Ukraine matter. And how what Putin is or is not going to do in any peace deal matters. imo

Democrats protest as Elon Musk salutes: Trump’s address to Congress – in pictures

Democrats protested and heckled as Donald Trump gave an address to Congress laying out his vision for his second term

www.theguardian.com

 

[HmmMysterious]

Why would anybody think there would NOT be rallies on the part of one side - or a cause of one side - against their counterparts and opposition? This is more fake news by the hard left associated press. The AP has perhaps gone farthest left in last 6 months than any oil location. That and the Atlantic.

I can link example after example of AP’s clear liberal bias. Even the media bias checkers show them as left wing. The have become more frothy as the pendulum has slightly swung the other direction (finally at WaPo, NYT, and WSJ, though progress is slow). It’s not hard, just make an effort to be unbiased.

I miss the days were you wanted desperately to read the newspaper. In my teens and 20’s The NYT was a real treat. I’d pick up a copy at a convenience or book stores or in airports (I travelled At lot in the 70’s and 80’s). Used to even watch CNN in those same airports until it all because clownishly one sided. Those papers too. So sad to watch one of the only things you felt you could count in get compromised. Poisoned. Fouled.

The AP is far left, for what? By sticking to the Gulf of Mexico name?

You should really see Fox News, Newsmax, OANN. Those channels are total shihshows

Trump abd the US are not abandoning Ukraine or are allies in the EU. The US are not in cahoots with Putin. Anybody who says this is an idiot or doesn’t understand how global politics works. Media outlets reporting this are hyperventilating leftist shills.

 

[Snoopster]

Why would anybody think there would NOT be rallies on the part of one side - or a cause of one side - against their counterparts and opposition? This is more fake news by the hard left associated press. The AP has perhaps gone farther left faster (in last 6 months) than any other media entity. That and the Atlantic.

I can link example after example of AP’s clear liberal bias. Even the media bias checkers show them as left wing. They have become more frothy as the pendulum has slightly swung the other direction finally at WaPo, NYT, and WSJ, though progress is slow. It’s not hard, just make an effort to be unbiased.

I miss the days when you wanted desperately to read the newspaper. In my teens and 20’s The NYT was a real treat. I’d pick up a copy at a convenience or book store or in airports (I travelled a lot in the 70’s and 80’s). Used to even watch CNN in those same airports until it all became clownishly one sided. Those papers too. So sad to watch one of the only things you felt you could depend get so undependable and compromised. Poisoned. Fouled.

If the article is giving the impression that there is lots of grass roots support against Trump, it’s overstating things x 1000. If you saw his performance tonight in front of Congress you’d realize just how much support he does have. His address was magnificent. it was magical. Historic. Even ask dems.

Trump and the US are not abandoning Ukraine or our allies in the EU. The US are not in cahoots with Putin. Anybody who says that is an idiot or doesn’t understand how global politics (and Trump) works. Media outlets reporting this are hyperventilating leftist shills imo.

All Trump has said is: we’re now 300 billion and three years in, how are the peace negations coming?. The response from the guy wearing the turtleneck was: we’re not talking to Putin, not till you get us Crimea and Donbass back and guarantee our safety from the Russians forever. Trump basically said: get of here, and come back when you’re a grown up, people are dying. And btw, don’t keep counting on the 300 million if your not interested in peace. We don’t fund “forever” wars, and we won’t be tricked into involving the USA in (or starting) what will surely become WW III.

You insult us greatly by thinking we would fall for your belligerent duplicity and disrespect and n national TV. Who do you think you’re dealing with? You have lost your mind, and our respect

What is so wrong with that? The net result will still be peace. The net result will be a stronger EU militarily. The net result will be huge billions invested to rebuild Ukraine. Why does that upset people?

The only people who will be upset that the obscene war is being halted are the globalist socialist central planners of the EU, the power brokers and oligarchs who gain power and make money from the war (and yap and virtue signal to the left wing press)

And in a post above, “Arab leaders meeting to come up with 53 billion deal to rebuild Gaza”. Doesn’t happen without Trumps wacky idea. He just keeps winning.

The war in Ukraine will soon be over. And the EU will be safe (and smarter). Leftist media outlets and left wing talking heads will try to tell you differently, but it’s all lies.

Trump has the support of the American people. Huge support. He knows how evil Russia is. He knows that Putin is Darth Vader. He’s been in office all of 43 days and he has nearly ended the war. Give him a chance. You are in for a surprise (though I don’t expect any to ever admit it). He has already changed America for good, dramatically

All jmo

Pulling out for emphasis:
"Trump and the US are not abandoning Ukraine or our allies in the EU. The US are not in cahoots with Putin. Anybody who says that is an idiot or doesn’t understand how global politics (and Trump) works."

I beg to differ. America is absolutely abandoning their allies. (they have 'attacked/blamed' many of their closest allies, including Canada, Mexico, Denmark) And the American admin is now enabling Putin and gang.
I posted up-thread that listed the abuses against American allies and the removal of restrictions/sanctions against Russia and oligarchs. It is now a 'free zone' for Russian operatives.
Yeah, Trump is full-on creating the victim mentality for the US, blaming all of their close allies and siding with Russia.

 

[acutename]

No; we haven't. Will things be discussed? I am sure they will. But don't rush to determine who approached who.

The current trade deal between Canada, Mexico and the US is the USMCA. The USMCA was insisted upon, negotiated and signed by Donald J. Trump and brought into effect in 2020.

At 0001hrs yesterday morning (4 March 2025), Trump breached that International Trade Agreement that he himself designed and put into force, by placing 25% tarrifs onto Canadian goods. Canada reciprocated yesterday afternoon (4 March), by placing "retaliatory tarrifs" of the same amount onto the US. for his breaching of his very own trade agreement. Even Trump acknowledges that our 25% are actually "retaliatory" for the 25% he placed on us.

Then this presser hit the airwaves from Premier Doug Ford (LCBO just happens to be the largest purchaser of alcohol in the world). LCBO meand there is now no American alcohol on their shelves, in any bars, restaurants etc .... or on any other provinces shelves for that matter). He also discusses "just shutting off the hydro and energy" provided by them to 1.5 million US households in NY, Minnesota & Michigan.

Apparently, Kentucky isn't happy because *alcohol*.

American refineries are specificly designed and built to process heavy crude. Heavy crude to the tune of 4.5 million barrells a day from Canada. Not the regular oil. Ref Their prices, thus yours, are going up.

Canada exports 46% of our potash worldwide, but 85% of the critical potash that America needs to produce its fertilizers for high yield for farmers comes from Canada. US tariff on Canadian potash imports goes ahead | Latest Market News Those very same US farmers still haven't fully recovered from the impacts of Trump's tarrifs that he imposed at the beginning of his last term in office as 45. They arent happy.

Canada has uranium. The US needs to import 95% of its uranium. Uranium is used in medicine to create radioactive isotopes that treat cancer and other conditions. Think 'radiation' therapy, MRIs, X-Rays. Maybe that's why he (or DOGE is it?) is cutting cancer research?

The US auto industry is alarmed (because steel, aluminum etc): Automakers warn that Trump tariffs will hike vehicle prices as much as 25%
and The auto industry can withstand only a few weeks of President Donald Trump's 25% tariffs against Canada and Mexico until costs to automakers and suppliers rise astronomically, resulting in higher consumer prices and risking massive job losses, experts said Tuesday.

The thing is: Canada actually exports raw material goods required to 'build stuff'. We also export services (heat, power, electricity). We import finished goods. We import luxury items from the US, but we already can & do egt those goods from elsewhere too. We are also now in the process of increasing getting them from elsewhere - just switching out our main supplier.

As for 'food'; we've got plenty. Grain for the world, beef, pork, chicken (and no bird flu!) etc etc. A flat of 30 eggs still cost me just $4.88 Canadian at Costco today. We're switching to Mexico for our fruits etc.

Heck, I never thought it possible a mere 2 months ago after we managed to get Trudeau to resign and prorogue parliament up here and Canada was heading to a super majority Conservative Government according to the polls ... and we all so damn HAPPY. Bt then, Trump announced he was going to breach his very own International Agreement USMCA and impose tariffs on us ... the Liberals will have a new leader shortly and the polls have changed to a super majority for the Liberals. Thanks for that Trump (sigh). Canadians are that united against this breach of international agreement by your President and against Trump's threat to bring us to our knees economicly so that we will collapse as a nation and become your "beloved 51st State".

We'll weather it.

I do know that the US Commerce Secretary (Lutnick) reached out to talk Ontario Premier Doug Ford after Ford's presser and the prime Minister's pressers today ... and after that stock market started nose diving asking us 'to meet half way'.


Trump is the President of the United States. He can do what he wants as you've elected him. But, he is a chaos leader. And he has elected to do that on the world stage at home and abroad with his own citizens and with allies.

But, much like Ukraine and the breach of the Budapest Memorandum, please don't just expect us to ignore the chaos, 'be diplomatic' and heap praise and thanks on him when he is threatening our very existence and survial as a democratic sovereign nation. Like Ukrainians, Canadians won't 'just surrender' - we never have.

Personally, IMO, I can't wait for the next 4 years to be done with ... if only to put an end to the chaos and I know many Americans who feel the exact same way.

I do not know how any business could deal with having a different tariff every day- we have them; we do not; yes we do; now we don't; maybe they'll be paused; no they won't; maybe they'll be less... I think inducing exhaustion might be in The Art of the Deal, but I still have not gotten around to reading that book.

 

[Cryptic]

Why should Ukraine give up anything? They aren't the ones who invaded an independent nation.

In a perfect world, you are absolutely right.

But..... needless to say, we are not living in a perfect world. At the end of the day, Ukraine is running out of willing soldiers and is also facing a US president who will not support what one member forum accurately described as a "forever war".

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/08/europe/ukraine-military-morale-desertion-intl-cmd/index.html

 

[LovesPeace2]

I believe that I read somewhere that he needs special permission to enter Canada since he's a felon. We Canadians are mad <modsnip> and he isn't going to be allowed to come here. On the off-chance that he is...unfortunately the G7 meeting is scheduled to take place in Alberta, our one Trump-friendly province, sadly.

Eugh Alberta is what Quebec used to be. Trump is definitely not wanted here in Canada. And he sure as heck better not be getting our eggs for his egg McMuffin. I honestly hope President Zelensky doesn't make a deal with the USA no one can trust trump. Jmvho

 

[SouthAussie]

"US President Donald Trump said he has received "strong signals" from Russia that it is ready for peace"

Strong signals from Russia it is ready for peace, Ukraine ready to come to negotiating table: Trump

None of what those strong Russian signals may be are mentioned in the article though.

imo

 

[nao]

In a perfect world, you are absolutely right.

But..... needless to say, we are not living in a perfect world. At the end of the day, Ukraine is running out of willing soldiers and is also facing a US president who will not support what one member forum accurately described as a "forever war".

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/08/europe/ukraine-military-morale-desertion-intl-cmd/index.html

Moo....but there must be a border. Or Russia will just chew it's way through Europe. But I do think that is up to Europe where that border is. No more USA rule. But Europe must be independent, Europe got lazy, an did depend on USA...moo

 

[Lilibet]

Just commenting on the Twitter videos supposedly showing young Ukrainian men being grabbed off the street and forcibly drafted to fight Ukraine’s “unwinnable” war. These are not from an approved source on Websleuths and could be from a Russian source. They claim there are thousands of these videos. Does it seem likely that so many of these random incidents would just happen to be recorded, complete with blood curdling screams?

JD Vance referred to Zelensky forcibly drafting men into his army. It occurs to me that he may have seen these videos. He and Trump also fell for the false story about Haitian immigrants…”They’re eating the dogs. They’re eating the cats.” So I wouldn’t trust either one of them with this story about Zelensky forcibly drafting men. They are both shockingly gullible.

JMO

 

[JennieM]

4h ago04.05 GMT

Fact-check: Trump's claim on amount of US aid to Ukraine​

Robert Mackey

Fact-check: Trump, again, wrongly states that the United States has given Ukraine $350 billion since Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022, and that Europe has given just $100 billion.

In fact, as our colleagues Jakub Krupa and Pjotr Sauer reported last month, the Kiel Institute for the World Economy’s Ukraine Support Tracker shows that Europe – counted as the sum of the EU and individual member states – has allocated nearly $138 billion in help for Ukraine, and the US just $120bn. When the contributions from non EU countries, like the United Kingdom, are included, Europe’s share is even larger.

Last week, three visiting world leaders corrected Trump on this false statement while sitting next to him in the Oval Office: the French president, Emmanuel Macron, the British prime minister, Keir Starmer, and Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Trump touts renewal of rightwing policies in lengthy speech as Democrats jeer, protest and walk out – as it happened

Trump praises Elon Musk and defends trade wars; Democratic congressman Al Green was removed from chamber for early disruption to Trump’s speech

www.theguardian.com

 

[JennieM]

4h ago04.02 GMT

Trump pledges to 'plant the American flag on Mars'​

Trump says it is time for America to take its destiny into its own hands.

He says he will lead the nation to forge “the freest, most advanced, most dynamic and most dominant civilization ever to exist on the face of this earth.”

He says America will “conquer the vast frontiers of science” and “lead humanity into space” and “plant the American flag on the planet Mars and even far beyond”.

“My fellow Americans, get ready for an incredible future, because the golden age of America has only just begun. It will be like nothing that has ever been seen before,” he says, concluding his address to Congress.

Trump touts renewal of rightwing policies in lengthy speech as Democrats jeer, protest and walk out – as it happened

Trump praises Elon Musk and defends trade wars; Democratic congressman Al Green was removed from chamber for early disruption to Trump’s speech

www.theguardian.com

 

[nao]

Moo.. Putin is the only white strong man. I was a little surprised when the cameras scanned the people in the Whitehouse...moo

 

[Lilibet]

Moo.. Putin is the only white strong man. I was a little surprised when the cameras scanned the people in the Whitehouse...moo

Can you explain your comment a bit more. I’m not sure what you’re talking about. But it’s been a long day…

 

[Lilibet]

That's a point. One way to end the war is if some secret mission could capture Putin - he is a wanted war criminal with an arrest out for him. Has no one considered that? A secret mission? JMO MOO

BBM
I’ll never tell.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

He literally thanked us many, many times, before and after the Oval meeting. IMO.

Any more thanks borders on being demeaning to President Zelenskyy and to Ukraine.

That what they intended, in my opinion.

 

[Charlot123]

A lot of people here are now saying Vance should apologize to the Uk. He is getting slaughtered here.

I personally feel that some portions of it were tongue-in-cheek hints at something that he as a politician (and unlike Trump, JD Vance is one) can not openly say.

If you forget the “free speech” phrase itself but focus on the examples he uses, especially for Britain, the message is very clear.

But, once Trump won his elections on bluntly saying the most unpolitical things. I bet JD is a good learner.

Question: does he get slaughtered in GB at the “free speech” level or at the specific examples level? Because all I hear here is “free speech” part. This was not the goal IMHO.

 

[JennieM]

4h ago04.02 GMT

Trump pledges to 'plant the American flag on Mars'​

Trump says it is time for America to take its destiny into its own hands.

He says he will lead the nation to forge “the freest, most advanced, most dynamic and most dominant civilization ever to exist on the face of this earth.”

He says America will “conquer the vast frontiers of science” and “lead humanity into space” and “plant the American flag on the planet Mars and even far beyond”.

“My fellow Americans, get ready for an incredible future, because the golden age of America has only just begun. It will be like nothing that has ever been seen before,” he says, concluding his address to Congress.

Trump touts renewal of rightwing policies in lengthy speech as Democrats jeer, protest and walk out – as it happened

Trump praises Elon Musk and defends trade wars; Democratic congressman Al Green was removed from chamber for early disruption to Trump’s speech

www.theguardian.com

@SouthAussie you posted a few times that Putin made a proposal to Trump that they can go to Mars. Putin and Trump to Mars and Ukraine to hell.

 

[Charlot123]

Moo.. Putin is the only white strong man. I was a little surprised when the cameras scanned the people in the Whitehouse...moo

Respectfully, I would disagree. What you think Trump is, he is not. Remember his friendship with Kanye West when Kanye hadn’t yet lost his marbles? In Trump’s world, men belong into two groups: “very bad men”, that is, men who have money but won’t make a deal and “very good men”, that is, men who have the money and will make a deal. How they look doesn’t matter to him. I haven’t studied his new team well enough, though.

 

[Lucy6226]

"US President Donald Trump said he has received "strong signals" from Russia that it is ready for peace"

Strong signals from Russia it is ready for peace, Ukraine ready to come to negotiating table: Trump

None of what those strong Russian signals may be are mentioned in the article though.

imo

More Trump vagueness imo

 

[Lucy6226]

4h ago04.02 GMT

Trump pledges to 'plant the American flag on Mars'​

Trump says it is time for America to take its destiny into its own hands.

He says he will lead the nation to forge “the freest, most advanced, most dynamic and most dominant civilization ever to exist on the face of this earth.”

He says America will “conquer the vast frontiers of science” and “lead humanity into space” and “plant the American flag on the planet Mars and even far beyond”.

“My fellow Americans, get ready for an incredible future, because the golden age of America has only just begun. It will be like nothing that has ever been seen before,” he says, concluding his address to Congress.

Trump touts renewal of rightwing policies in lengthy speech as Democrats jeer, protest and walk out – as it happened

Trump praises Elon Musk and defends trade wars; Democratic congressman Al Green was removed from chamber for early disruption to Trump’s speech

www.theguardian.com

Send Trump to Mars and leave him there!

Honestly, everything going on and planting a flag on Mars is a priority??!

Moo