Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #13

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  • #361
I suggested this last night. I do not think he should go back there on his own.
I honestly don't think president Zelensky should go back to the states. Have the USA team go to France or the UK . I don't think the USA under this leader would honor any deal they make. Hearing about the Russian press being at the white house when president Zelensky was there we were worried about attempts on Zelensky or poisoning because that's how Russia rolls.jmvho
 
  • #362
I honestly don't think president Zelensky should go back to the states. Have the USA team go to France or the UK . I don't think the USA under this leader would honor any deal they make. Hearing about the Russian press being at the white house when president Zelensky was there we were worried about attempts on Zelensky or poisoning because that's how Russia rolls.jmvho
To be honest thats a pretty good point. We have had several poisioning incidents here involving Russians :(
 
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For those who don't know: Odessa has own spirit, it is a customs city, akin to Marseille known for its humor for centuries. They were able to laugh even at the war calamities. When the water in the fountains would stop at 6:58 pm instead of 7 pm, they'd humoristically complain to local communal services on "habitual underfilling of water".
I just got some Google photos of Odessa.
I should try to find some Odessa jokes understandable in English which is not easy as it is language-based.

5 March

Latest photos from Odesa after reports of more strikes​

Let's have a look at Odesa now, where residents in the south-western Ukrainian city are searching destroyed houses and removing debris after renewed Russian drone strikes over the last few days.

Earlier, Ukraine said some districts in Odesa are without power and water after a strike overnight hit critical infrastructure.

A resident stands inside a house destroyed by a Russian drone strike in Odesa
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A man stands inside a house destroyed by a strike

Residents carry out items from a house partly destroyed by a Russian drone strike
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Residents carry out items from a house partly destroyed by a Russian drone strike

Municipal workers are also working to remove debris at the site of a house partly detsroyed by Russian strikes
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Municipal workers were also pictured removing debris at the same site


‘Trump doesn’t understand who the aggressor is’: fatigue and anger in Odesa​

Russian attacks on Ukrainian city that was initially spared worst have increased since Washington-Moscow detente

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The remains of a children’s clinic in Odesa hit by a Russian attack drone on 18 February. Photograph: Alessio Mamo/The Guardian

 
  • #364
8m ago20.54 GMT
A Ukrainian battalion commander said he was “pained” by the US’s decision to pause shipments of US military aid to Ukraine.

The commander, who is fighting with the 66th mechanized brigade near Lyman in the eastern Donetsk region, told CNN:

I can honestly tell you, as a Ukrainian citizen, it really pains me that the two signatories to the Budapest Memorandum either did not read the second and fourth paragraphs at all or simply brazenly ignore it. One attacked us, and the other said: ‘I don’t see anything. So, it’s up to you to negotiate.’
Under the Budapest Memorandum signed in 1994, Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan agreed to give up the nuclear arsenal in return for security guarantees from the US, UK and Russia.

The Ukrainian commander said Kyiv may be able to plug the gaps through its domestic production of weapons:

If we continue to develop our UAV (drone) units, then in principle, we can compensate for this shortfall in the supply of weapons from the United States.

 
  • #365
To be honest thats a pretty good point. We have had several poisioning incidents here involving Russians :(
Yes, indeed!

Russia acts like a feral animal and needs to be brought under control.

Alternatively - isolate it and have nothing to do with it.

Isolation is the exact opposite of what any decent and honest state should want. It always ends badly.
 
  • #366
8m ago20.54 GMT
A Ukrainian battalion commander said he was “pained” by the US’s decision to pause shipments of US military aid to Ukraine.

The commander, who is fighting with the 66th mechanized brigade near Lyman in the eastern Donetsk region, told CNN:


Under the Budapest Memorandum signed in 1994, Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan agreed to give up the nuclear arsenal in return for security guarantees from the US, UK and Russia.

The Ukrainian commander said Kyiv may be able to plug the gaps through its domestic production of weapons:




I read a really good article some hours ago, about how the west could learn a few things from Zelenskyy and Ukraine.

How innovative and adaptable they have learned to be.


In the face of a far larger and better-equipped adversary, Ukraine has built a defence-tech ecosystem that is reshaping the rules of modern combat.
Ukraine’s success in this is not just about resilience or patriotism but about the ability to adapt, decentralize and leverage new technologies faster than its opponent.

Technology alone does not win wars; the ability to innovate quickly, integrate private-sector expertise and field solutions at scale is what shifts the balance of power.
Ukraine offers a lesson in adaptation, one that Europe cannot afford to ignore
...... (then lots of details about how Ukraine has quickly adapted to changing situations)

 
  • #367
I honestly don't think president Zelensky should go back to the states. Have the USA team go to France or the UK . I don't think the USA under this leader would honor any deal they make. Hearing about the Russian press being at the white house when president Zelensky was there we were worried about attempts on Zelensky or poisoning because that's how Russia rolls.jmvho
I thought that exactly as well. When I heard a Russian "news" person from Tass had been at that meeting, it sent chills through me. He must have been allowed in. Surely White House security isn't that bad. And if, as I believe was claimed, they didn't realise he was from Russia, then that is even more alarming. Zelensky is lucky to still be alive right now! Good job he didn't eat that lunch!
 
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US intelligence 'has been fundamental' for Ukraine​

US intelligence sharing is "more important" for Ukraine than the military aid cut-off, the Economist’s defence editor Shashank Joshi tells the BBC's PM programme.

That's because "they could fight for months without munition, however they will feel this immediately", he says.

"It’s at times been absolutely fundamental for Ukraine", Joshi says, explaining that "on day one of this conflict" Western intelligence supplied to Ukraine allowed them to anticipate and defend against a Russian assault on an airport outside of Kyiv.

Since then, US intelligence has been used for alerts on incoming ballistic missiles, as well as for information to effectively use long-range strike systems.

But Joshi says Ukraine also has some indigenous intelligence sources as well as commercial sources, adding: "I also don’t want to suggest that it’s cataclysmal and they can no longer see anything at all."

He says for now, Ukraine still has access to Starlink - Elon Musk's satellite internet company - but they anticipate it could be cut off soon and are actively working on replacements.


It's a good thing that the US is not the only country with intelligence agents and systems - ones that the US has also relied on.

imo
 
  • #369
It's a good thing that the US is not the only country with intelligence agents and systems - ones that the US has also relied on.

imo

They have the “lion’s share” though in intelligence budget, with a 20 times higher budget than the UK.


A potential threat to Five Eyes​

Frank Gardner
Security correspondent

As recently as during the Munich Security Conference, less than three weeks ago, British officials were insisting that it was "business as usual" when it came to the UK’s incredibly close working partnership with Washington on intelligence-sharing.

At a working level, Whitehall officials have always maintained, the relationship between the UK’s three intelligence agencies – SIS (MI6), MI5 and GCHQ – and their US counterparts is immune to the vicissitudes of which way the political wind is blowing.

But there is nothing "business as usual" about cutting off your embattled ally from vital intel in the middle of a war. Intelligence from UK and other allied nations’ assets can still flow to Kyiv and the indications are that if and when President Trump gets the mineral deal he wants from Ukraine, plus some concessions towards an eventual peace deal, then America's intel taps could well be turned back on.

Yet this has been a rude shock, not just for Ukraine, not just for America’s close partner Britain, but also for other members of the so-called Five Eyes partnership.

This is the mechanism whereby much intelligence is shared between five English-speaking nations: the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. The US, with its roughly US$100bn intelligence budget, provides the lion’s share. The UK, while specialising in human intelligence-gathering, has a budget roughly 20 times smaller than that.

 
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  • #371
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Why is Trump doing this?​


Trump is trying to force Ukraine into negotiating a peace deal with Russia without committing to providing security guarantees for Ukraine.


Zelensky has tried to make the case that a deal without guarantees would be potentially disastrous for Ukraine, arguing that Putin has violated ceasefire agreements in the past.


The Ukrainian leader has received near-universal backing from Kyiv’s Western allies on this point. British Prime Minister Keir Starmer told the UK Parliament on Monday that security guarantees must be part of any peace agreement."

 
  • #372
US Republicans push for more European involvement

One US Republican senator tells the BBC that he believes "we need to continue" supporting Ukraine, "but I think it's even more important for Europe to step up and contribute more".

Speaking to the BBC's state department correspondent Tom Bateman, Senator John Cornyn says "Russia clearly can't be trusted" and he is "sceptical of any promises" its President, Vladimir Putin, makes.

"That's why we need some sort of backup plan, hopefully led by the Europeans, but supported by the United States."

That need for European involvement is reiterated by Senator Rick Scott.

"Russia is the aggressor... Ukraine needs to win", he says, but "the Europeans are going to have start standing up" in their defence of the country."

"You can't expect American taxpayers... to do all this", he adds.


'Unacceptable', 'a betrayal' - US Democrats react to Ukraine aid cuts​

Democratic lawmakers in the US have slated the decision to suspend military assistance - and intelligence sharing - with Ukraine.

Senator Cory Booker tells the BBC's state department correspondent Tom Bateman that he had not heard the reports of a halt to intelligence sharing with Ukraine "but that would be unacceptable to me, and pretty outrageous".

He adds that the stopping of military aid is a "betrayal of Congress's intent", since it has already approved funds for Ukraine.

Senator Tim Kaine calls it "a huge mistake". "This secession of aid, military aid that Congress has appropriated, I think, is illegal," he adds.

This is something Democrats in Congress will "try to stop", Senator Chris Murphy says, "but it doesn't seem like Republicans are willing to stand up for democracy abroad or here at home right now".

"Donald Trump is allied with Vladimir Putin, there is no mystery there", he says.

 
  • #373
1h ago21.12 GMT

Russian missile strike kills one, injures three in Ukraine’s Kryvyi Rig​

A Russian missile struck a building in the central Ukrainian city of Kryvyi Rih late on Wednesday, killing one person and injuring three badly, regional governor Serhiy Lysak said.

“Unfortunately, one person died in Kryvyi Rig. It is a 53-year-old man. Three people were wounded. All of them are hospitalised,” Lysak said on Telegram.


17m ago21.59 GMT
The death toll from a Russian missile strike on a hotel in the central Ukrainian city of Kryvyi Rih has risen to two, according to local authorities.

In addition, seven people were injured after the strike hit a five-story hotel, authorities said.

A destroyed hotel building on fire at the site of a strike in Kryvyi Rig.

A destroyed hotel building on fire at the site of a strike in Kryvyi Rig. Photograph: UKRAINIAN EMERGENCY SERVICE/AFP/Getty Images

 
  • #374
US Republicans push for more European involvement

One US Republican senator tells the BBC that he believes "we need to continue" supporting Ukraine, "but I think it's even more important for Europe to step up and contribute more".

Speaking to the BBC's state department correspondent Tom Bateman, Senator John Cornyn says "Russia clearly can't be trusted" and he is "sceptical of any promises" its President, Vladimir Putin, makes.

"That's why we need some sort of backup plan, hopefully led by the Europeans, but supported by the United States."

That need for European involvement is reiterated by Senator Rick Scott.

"Russia is the aggressor... Ukraine needs to win", he says, but "the Europeans are going to have start standing up" in their defence of the country."

"You can't expect American taxpayers... to do all this", he adds.


'Unacceptable', 'a betrayal' - US Democrats react to Ukraine aid cuts​

Democratic lawmakers in the US have slated the decision to suspend military assistance - and intelligence sharing - with Ukraine.

Senator Cory Booker tells the BBC's state department correspondent Tom Bateman that he had not heard the reports of a halt to intelligence sharing with Ukraine "but that would be unacceptable to me, and pretty outrageous".

He adds that the stopping of military aid is a "betrayal of Congress's intent", since it has already approved funds for Ukraine.

Senator Tim Kaine calls it "a huge mistake". "This secession of aid, military aid that Congress has appropriated, I think, is illegal," he adds.

This is something Democrats in Congress will "try to stop", Senator Chris Murphy says, "but it doesn't seem like Republicans are willing to stand up for democracy abroad or here at home right now".

"Donald Trump is allied with Vladimir Putin, there is no mystery there", he says.

Illegal. Not humanitarian. I hope they can show it's illegal.
 
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Rachel Maddow fact-checks Trump. Many lies to Congress have been debunked, particularly (with regard to Ukraine) around the 1:54 mark in this video, his very public and continued lies about US spending on Ukraine.

The US committed about $124bn, Europe has committed about $259bn. "The president radically, radically mis-stating the character and quantity of our relative support for what used to be our ally, now appears to be only Europe's ally and no longer ours".

imo
 
  • #377
US Republicans push for more European involvement

One US Republican senator tells the BBC that he believes "we need to continue" supporting Ukraine, "but I think it's even more important for Europe to step up and contribute more".

Speaking to the BBC's state department correspondent Tom Bateman, Senator John Cornyn says "Russia clearly can't be trusted" and he is "sceptical of any promises" its President, Vladimir Putin, makes.

"That's why we need some sort of backup plan, hopefully led by the Europeans, but supported by the United States."

That need for European involvement is reiterated by Senator Rick Scott.

"Russia is the aggressor... Ukraine needs to win", he says, but "the Europeans are going to have start standing up" in their defence of the country."

"You can't expect American taxpayers... to do all this", he adds.


'Unacceptable', 'a betrayal' - US Democrats react to Ukraine aid cuts​

Democratic lawmakers in the US have slated the decision to suspend military assistance - and intelligence sharing - with Ukraine.

Senator Cory Booker tells the BBC's state department correspondent Tom Bateman that he had not heard the reports of a halt to intelligence sharing with Ukraine "but that would be unacceptable to me, and pretty outrageous".

He adds that the stopping of military aid is a "betrayal of Congress's intent", since it has already approved funds for Ukraine.

Senator Tim Kaine calls it "a huge mistake". "This secession of aid, military aid that Congress has appropriated, I think, is illegal," he adds.

This is something Democrats in Congress will "try to stop", Senator Chris Murphy says, "but it doesn't seem like Republicans are willing to stand up for democracy abroad or here at home right now".

"Donald Trump is allied with Vladimir Putin, there is no mystery there", he says.

When they say Europe needs to contribute more - we do in fact contribute as much as America but the problem is Trump as usual exaggerates how much America has in fact in paid also.
 
  • #378
They have the “lion’s share” though in intelligence budget, with a 20 times higher budget than the UK.


A potential threat to Five Eyes​

Frank Gardner
Security correspondent

As recently as during the Munich Security Conference, less than three weeks ago, British officials were insisting that it was "business as usual" when it came to the UK’s incredibly close working partnership with Washington on intelligence-sharing.

At a working level, Whitehall officials have always maintained, the relationship between the UK’s three intelligence agencies – SIS (MI6), MI5 and GCHQ – and their US counterparts is immune to the vicissitudes of which way the political wind is blowing.

But there is nothing "business as usual" about cutting off your embattled ally from vital intel in the middle of a war. Intelligence from UK and other allied nations’ assets can still flow to Kyiv and the indications are that if and when President Trump gets the mineral deal he wants from Ukraine, plus some concessions towards an eventual peace deal, then America's intel taps could well be turned back on.

Yet this has been a rude shock, not just for Ukraine, not just for America’s close partner Britain, but also for other members of the so-called Five Eyes partnership.

This is the mechanism whereby much intelligence is shared between five English-speaking nations: the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. The US, with its roughly US$100bn intelligence budget, provides the lion’s share. The UK, while specialising in human intelligence-gathering, has a budget roughly 20 times smaller than that.


Yes, but as in all things, the US is a big country. If we group European countries and others supporting Ukraine into another group, their grouped resources become quite strong.

I tried to show this in a post further back when I rough-counted the populations of the countries supporting Ukraine (at that Sunday meeting of some EU members). Their populations (and spending on Ukraine), as a group, far outweighed the US.

I think the strategy here needs to be to stop looking at the other supporting countries as little individuals, and to start seeing them as a group and what their group strength is.

Group strength of taxpayers (ie: $$)
Group strength of shared weaponry
Group strength of intelligence
Group strength of tariffs on the US

imo
 
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  • #379
Not about Ukraine but US Judge declares Trump's firing of Watchdog agency head is illegal.


His sidekick has also made the news and is accused of misinformation.


Elon Musk sparks row at Royal Society but remains a member


Members of the UK's Royal Society have urged the elite scientific academy to "step up its efforts to advocate for science and scientists" amid a row over one of its fellows - Elon Musk.


Over the last nine months, many scientists have raised concerns about the controversial billionaire's behaviour, which has been called a "threat to science".

The campaign to revoke Mr Musk's membership centres on suggestions, from a growing number of fellows, that the billionaire's actions are "incompatible" with the society's own code of conduct.

Mr Musk has overseen unprecedented funding cuts to scientific research in the US, in his senior role in President Trump's Department of Government Efficiency (or Doge).

Mr Musk has also been accused of sharing misinformation on his social media platform, X.

[…]

The society agreed to "look at potential further actions" to "counter the misinformation and ideologically motivated attacks on both science and scientists".

The BBC understands that a letter will be sent to Mr Musk from the Royal Society.

 
  • #380
French Senator blasts Trump as Nero and calls him a traitor. JMO

"French Senator Claude Malhuret this week delivered a blistering rebuke of President Donald Trump and X owner Elon Musk , and he compared their reign to that of an infamously debauched Roman emperor.

During a speech discussing European support for Ukraine against Russia, Malhuret lobbed insults directly at both the president and his billionaire benefactor.

"Washington has become Nero’s court, with an incendiary emperor, submissive courtiers and a jester high on ketamine in charge of purging the civil service," he said in reference to Musk's acknowledged use of the dissociative anesthetic . "We were at war with a dictator, we are now at war with a dictator backed by a traitor."


 
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