Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #13

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  • #641
As was explained in your very own link those missiles from Ireland are being prepared for future use. NOT NOW

Why do you think there would be announcements to say there are shipments going today? it does not work that way.
It would seem Ukraine needs the missiles now.

It works that way in the US, we move quickly. The US is even staging missiles and other support in Poland in order, for rapids deployment to Ukraine.

I truly believe, should one of our NATO Nations needed military supplies, including missiles, the US would have those on cargo plane heading out immediately. We have stockpiles, we have production in the pipelines, we are ready able and prepared. The US moves quickly. The president is the Commander in Chief of our military services. He has the authority the ship missiles on moments notice. European countries need to learn to move quickly. All these meetings and back and forth does not produce action.
Moo...
 
  • #642
Is the US the boss of the UK ?
I'm a bit confused.
Do you mean over the US forbidding the Uk to share intelligence with Ukraine? I think that is because certain countries share intelligence - including the Uk and US. So the US is forbidding the Uk to share shared intelligence. It is bad I know. JMO
 
  • #643
It would seem Ukraine needs the missiles now.

It works that way in the US, we move quickly. The US is even staging missiles and other support in Poland in order, for rapids deployment to Ukraine.

I truly believe, should one of our NATO Nations needed military supplies, including missiles, the US would have those on cargo plane heading out immediately. We have stockpiles, we have production in the pipelines, we are ready able and prepared. The US moves quickly. The president is the Commander in Chief of our military services. He has the authority the ship missiles on moments notice. European countries need to learn to move quickly. All these meetings and back and forth does not produce action.
Moo...
We are sending them missiles NOW. We have for the last three years or so! So have the rest of Europe !! Europe also move quickly which is evident by all the recent meetings going on about this conflict. We seriously do not need to learn anything from the US.

Incidentally the King is our Commander in chief of our military services. He does not need to set orders as our government make sure Ukraine get what they need and always have!
 
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  • #644
Of course, Ukraine is asking more from European allies—because the U.S. has suddenly abandoned them, and now those allies have to scramble to make up for America having a hissy fit. This isn’t about Ukraine demanding too much; it’s about the U.S. pulling the rug out from under them when they need support the most. IMO
It's about trying to achieve peace. We didn't have a hissy fit. Trump's been carrying the same message for a year now. He plans to end the war in Ukraine, to stop the killing.

He met with the president of France and the PM of UK prior to Ukraine coming to the US. We made it real clear he was no longer going to fund the war.

The message has not changed. I guess folks just didn't believe him.,
Moo
 
  • #645
Of course, Ukraine is asking more from European allies—because the U.S. has suddenly abandoned them, and now those allies have to scramble to make up for America having a hissy fit. This isn’t about Ukraine demanding too much; it’s about the U.S. pulling the rug out from under them when they need support the most. IMO
It is that simple to be honest.
 
  • #646
It's about trying to achieve peace. We didn't have a hissy fit. Trump's been carrying the same message for a year now. He plans to end the war in Ukraine, to stop the killing.

He met with the president of France and the PM of UK prior to Ukraine coming to the US. We made it real clear he was no longer going to fund the war.

The message has not changed. I guess folks just didn't believe him.,
Moo
There is a difference between saying you are pulling out as you favour Russia and doing it within days leaving everyone else to sort it out. The rest of us also know no peace plan by Trump is going to stop the killing for long.
 
  • #647
I live here. We are being left open to attack. It is that simple. IF America was our allies they would not be trying to block their access to things. Trump has made his decision and Europe has moved on.
Why would any one wish to attack us? Russia in particular.
 
  • #648
It's about trying to achieve peace. We didn't have a hissy fit. Trump's been carrying the same message for a year now. He plans to end the war in Ukraine, to stop the killing.

He met with the president of France and the PM of UK prior to Ukraine coming to the US. We made it real clear he was no longer going to fund the war.

The message has not changed. I guess folks just didn't believe him.,
Moo
He was going to end the war in a day, wasn’t he? :D
 
  • #649
Do you mean over the US forbidding the Uk to share intelligence with Ukraine? I think that is because certain countries share intelligence - including the Uk and US. So the US is forbidding the Uk to share shared intelligence. It is bad I know. JMO
Five eyes is designed to share information between five countries. An exception was made to share information with Ukraine. The US revoked the exception.

The other four countries are welcome to share information from there intelligence, they have been asked not to share information that the US obtains.

Last night a large hotel was hit in Ukraine. Did the other four countries warn them? Did the other four countries pick up on incoming missiles and alert Ukraine?

The president and the defense department have decided to no longer make Ukraine privy it to US intelligence. They have no legal right to it, it was granted as an exception. The US is committed to ending the war in Ukraine. We will no longer support military or intelligence efforts in Ukraine.

Moo...
 
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  • #651

20 countries 'interested' in Starmer's 'coalition of the willing'​


Helen Catt
Political correspondent

Around 20 countries are reportedly interested in becoming part of the "coalition of the willing" to help Ukraine.

British officials said a meeting of officials was convened yesterday to discuss providing security guarantees following any peace deal.

It's not thought every one of the countries, which are largely from Europe and the Commonwealth, would necessarily send troops but some could provide other support.

The officials said it was "early days" but welcomed what they described as a "highly positive step".

The prime minister's deputy official spokesman said the government had been "very clear that it is for Europe and for the UK to step up and I think you are seeing evidence of that consistently".

Where was this coalition of the willing three-plus years ago (actually, ten)? Three years have gone by during which the UK, France, and the EU nations could have built up significant military force to at-minimum, deter further Russian aggression. You can’t get a bigger wake up call than the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Russia is a great evil. Putin is Moriarty.

Yet, for the most part, nothing has been done. Nothing has changed. Any coalition of the willing today will now have to start from scratch and come up with 100-150 billion a year to arm the UK, France, and EU. I’m guessing it will take three plus years minimum. And that’s only if they actually do something this time (vs 2022).

It’s amazing that since 2022 the UK and France and other EU nations sat by and watched Ukraine get mauled while doing little but condemning Russia and sending Ukraine a few billion. As long as it wasn’t their country.. as long as the US was providing intelligence, funding it, and sending billions in military equipment and weapons, no worries.

I encourage readers to go back to the first thread and read the first 10 pages again to see the comments made by Stoltenberg, Macron, Boris Johnson / Sunak, Merkel/Sholtz, Erdogan, Trudeau and yes, Joe Biden.

-Stoltenberg: “a brutal act of war”
-Trudeau “to meet with G7”
-EU Foreign Affairs: “darkest hours of -Europe since Second World War”
-Macron: “France and its allies did everything to try to head off the attack on Ukraine”
-Macron: “We will show no weakness in our response”
-Boris: “our worst fears have come true”
-Erdogan “rejects Russian’s unacceptable military action in Ukraine”
-NATO to deploy more land and air forces
- West condemns
-UK summons ambassador
-Germany “promises to help with refugees”
-Biden: “Russian government will be held accountable for catastrophic loss of life and human suffering”
-Biden: “announces new sanctions..(but reiterated US won’t put troops on the ground)”

Imo Russia should have been blasted back out of Ukraine by the US, the UK, France, Germany, and the EU back in 2022. Instead, leaders (including Biden and US) virtue signaled to the left wing press and / or did nothing. For the most part, EU defense spending remained below 2 percent. All talk


The UK and especially the EU nations have simply refused to spend money for their own defense. Imo the EU is an economic union with a globalist socialist agenda, whose priorities place defense spending last. Dead last.

The US has by far been the biggest financial and military backer of Ukraine. The US has by far been the biggest financial backer of NATO. Yet the entire world (led by EU talking heads supported by left wing media) is vilifying the US after Zelensky refused to sign a minerals deal that would’ve provided at least some level of security for his country (more than what the EU has done in the past and is willing to do in future) going forward. That was the best he was going to get.

Ukraine is in Europe. Ukraine is not a member of NATO. What is wrong with this picture? Where have the UK, France, Germany, and the EU been? Where are they today? Pearl clutching and raging about a supposed new world order being created by the great satan US. Bull. There is no new world order. The UK, France, Germany and EU nations have simply been sleeping: shirking their responsibilities while playing in their globalist sand box for years. Wake up.

After the Biden administration added nearly 9 trillion (with a t) dollars to the US national debt, the US simply said: “We cannot continue to fund a forever war in Ukraine for 100 billion a year for a country that is not in NATO: the war needs to end; take steps to end it.” For everything we have given (and for what we were about to give) we were then disrespected on the world stage. The screeching by leftists who always think they are owed something continues.

Imo the US is the only nation who has tried to maintain world order. The US is the only nation who has provided sacrificial financial support to help Ukraine. Ukraine is in Europe. Ukraine is not part of NATO. The US said in 2022 they would not put boots on the ground. What has changed since then?

Where is/are UK, France, Germany, and EU nations - the socialist globalist central planners of EU? Imo some of their remarks sound remarkably similar to those they made back in 2014 and 2022. Imo UK, France, and EU needs to wake up, do what they can to support Ukraine (while US does the same), work to end the war, and stop bashing their greatest and strongest ally.

Jmo
 
  • #652
We are sending them missiles NOW. We have for the last three years or so! So have the rest of Europe !! Europe also move quickly which is evident by all the recent meetings going on about this conflict. We seriously do not need to learn anything from the US.

Incidentally the King is our Commander in chief of our military services. He does not need to set orders as our government make sure Ukraine get what they need and always have!
This is good news. Ukraine is getting continued military grade weapons and will be able to continue the war without US support.

The King, is a very kind, compassionate and highly intelligent person. I have complete confidence he will make the best decision for all. He is highly respected in the United States, and many of us love and respect the Royal family.
Moo
 
  • #653
  • #654
Where was this coalition of the willing three-plus years ago (actually, ten)? Three years have gone by during which the UK, France, and the EU nations could have built up significant military force to at-minimum, deter further Russian aggression. You can’t get a bigger wake up call than the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Russia is a great evil. Putin is Moriarty.

Yet, for the most part, nothing has been done. Nothing has changed. Any coalition of the willing today will now have to start from scratch and come up with 100-150 billion a year to arm the UK, France, and EU. I’m guessing it will take three plus years minimum. And that’s only if they actually do something this time (vs 2022).

It’s amazing that since 2022 the UK and France and other EU nations sat by and watched Ukraine get mauled while doing little but condemning Russia and sending Ukraine a few billion. As long as it wasn’t their country.. as long as the US was providing intelligence, funding it, and sending billions in military equipment and weapons, no worries.

I encourage readers to go back to the first thread and read the first 10 pages again to see the comments made by Stoltenberg, Macron, Boris Johnson / Sunak, Merkel/Sholtz, Erdogan, Trudeau and yes, Joe Biden.

-Stoltenberg: “a brutal act of war”
-Trudeau “to meet with G7”
-EU Foreign Affairs: “darkest hours of -Europe since Second World War”
-Macron: “France and its allies did everything to try to head off the attack on Ukraine”
-Macron: “We will show no weakness in our response”
-Boris: “our worst fears have come true”
-Erdogan “rejects Russian’s unacceptable military action in Ukraine”
-NATO to deploy more land and air forces
- West condemns
-UK summons ambassador
-Germany “promises to help with refugees”
-Biden: “Russian government will be held accountable for catastrophic loss of life and human suffering”
-Biden: “announces new sanctions..(but reiterated US won’t put troops on the ground)”

Imo Russia should have been blasted back out of Ukraine by the US, the UK, France, Germany, and the EU back in 2022. Instead, leaders (including Biden and US) virtue signaled to the left wing press and / or did nothing. For the most part, EU defense spending remained below 2 percent. All talk


The UK and especially the EU nations have simply refused to spend money for their own defense. Imo the EU is an economic union with a globalist socialist agenda, whose priorities place defense spending last. Dead last.

The US has by far been the biggest financial and military backer of Ukraine. The US has by far been the biggest financial backer of NATO. Yet the entire world (led by EU talking heads supported by left wing media) is vilifying the US after Zelensky refused to sign a minerals deal that would’ve provided at least some level of security for his country (more than what the EU has done in the past and is willing to do in future) going forward. That was the best he was going to get.

Ukraine is in Europe. Ukraine is not a member of NATO. What is wrong with this picture? Where have the UK, France, Germany, and the EU been? Where are they today? Pearl clutching and raging about a supposed new world order being created by the great satan US. Bull. There is no new world order. The UK, France, Germany and EU nations have simply been sleeping: shirking their responsibilities while playing in their globalist sand box for years. Wake up.

After the Biden administration added nearly 9 trillion (with a t) dollars to the US national debt, the US simply said: “We cannot continue to fund a forever war in Ukraine for 100 billion a year for a country that is not in NATO: the war needs to end; take steps to end it.” For everything we have given (and for what we were about to give) we were then disrespected on the world stage. The screeching by leftists who always think they are owed something continues.

Imo the US is the only nation who has tried to maintain world order. The US is the only nation who has provided sacrificial financial support to help Ukraine. Ukraine is in Europe. Ukraine is not part of NATO. The US said in 2022 they would not put boots on the ground. What has changed since then?

Where is/are UK, France, Germany, and EU nations - the socialist globalist central planners of EU? Imo some of their remarks sound remarkably similar to those they made back in 2014 and 2022. Imo UK, France, and EU needs to wake up, do what they can to support Ukraine (while US does the same), work to end the war, and stop bashing their greatest and strongest ally.

Jmo
So well said and I could not agree with you more. Thank you

Last week I did go back and read the entire first and second threads. The threads, truly tells the story as an unfolding, minute by minute, day by day. It serves as a great diary. I agree others need to refresh themselves.

Moo
 
  • #655
Well folks we got here because the GOP decided not to remove Trump from office. This mess is what they wanted for some reason unbeknownst to me.

United we stand. Divided we fall.

I mean he really told us he would be a dictator on day one, we'd not have to vote again etc etc and unfortunately not enough people believed him or, worse it is what they want

And no I don't have a link it has been in the media a LOT.

Let's come together for peace and prosperity and quit bickering over bathrooms and Oval Office attire for foreign dignitaries.

Trump is a master at dividing people. You're FIRED!!

These are my humble opinions. I'm just an old woman who wants to live out my life peacefully.
 
  • #656
Why would any one wish to attack us? Russia in particular.
Indeed, in reality, an attack on a NATO member by Russia would be a grave mistake. Russia knows this. The war in Ukraine is about NATO and Western warhawk expansion, Putin wasn't having NATO on his direct border, hence where we are. To deny Russia's interest in this entire affair is ludicrous. Trump offered to bring Z and P to the table for talks of peace. It appears Euro wants war, although, I think behind the scenes there is likely movement towards a sensible deal. Lots of hysteria being bantered about.
 
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  • #658
He has threatened us numerous times now
Empty threats then, what's to be gained my making us a nuclear wasteland?
Talking nuclear threats, the Russians blinked first in the Cuban crisis because Kennedy threatened them, have the US blinked first because of a credible threat now?
 
  • #659
Well folks we got here because the GOP decided not to remove Trump from office. This mess is what they wanted for some reason unbeknownst to me.

United we stand. Divided we fall.

I mean he really told us he would be a dictator on day one, we'd not have to vote again etc etc and unfortunately not enough people believed him or, worse it is what they want

And no I don't have a link it has been in the media a LOT.

Let's come together for peace and prosperity and quit bickering over bathrooms and Oval Office attire for foreign dignitaries.

Trump is a master at dividing people. You're FIRED!!

These are my humble opinions. I'm just an old woman who wants to live out my life peacefully.
I keep reading Trump this and Trump that. Trump didn't bring this mess to where it is. Western expansion, in particular, NATO expansion, eastward toward Russia, then Ukraine and the antics of the warhawks there, and Putin said enough is enough. Once again, to totally ignore Russia's interests in this mess is illogical, naive, and dangerous.

Trump wants to bring Putin to the table, and Zelensky. The warhawks want war. If a deal doesn't come to pass now, then more death and destruction is on the horizon...possibly after another year or two, the desire to seek peace will strengthen.
 
  • #660
I keep reading Trump this and Trump that. Trump didn't bring this mess to where it is. Western expansion, in particular, NATO expansion, eastward toward Russia, then Ukraine and the antics of the warhawks there, and Putin said enough is enough. Once again, to totally ignore Russia's interests in this mess is illogical, naive, and dangerous.

Trump wants to bring Putin to the table, and Zelensky. The warhawks want war. If a deal doesn't come to pass now, then more death and destruction is on the horizon...possibly after another year or two, the desire to seek peace will strengthen.
I sure hope you are right. But that table of three concerns me.
 
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