Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #13

[Simply Southern]

There is no love lost between the current PM of Canada and the current Pres of the U.S. Both sides have been pretty aggressive and insulting against the other. I think when Canada finally holds it elections and gets Trudeau out of there, then relationships will improve between the two countries.

I didn't understand why Trudeau flew to Florida to meet with the president BEFORE the inauguration. What was so important it couldn't wait until he was officially sworn into office? It was just really odd.
Not sure what happened in that meeting, but that's when Trump started calling it the 51st state.
Moo...

 

[Sundog]

Orban should not be allowed to keep saying no all the time. IMO it should be a majority decision.

Orban is a member of the EU, is he not? So why would the EU cut out his vote when he is a member, just because he supports a different path, such as ending the war in Ukraine? Sounds like the group is willing to go with the countries the countries that are "a coalition of the willing" and not impose a vote for this on the entire EU council. Sounds like a good compromise, that will respect all members of the EU.

 

[Sundog]

Tbh he is only said what most think over here

Good for New Zealand. He's clearly not ambassador material. Good riddance to him, whatever his beliefs are.

 

[UK Girl]

Orban is a member of the EU, is he not? So why would the EU cut out his vote when he is a member, just because he supports a different path, such as ending the war in Ukraine? Sounds like the group is willing to go with the countries the countries that are "willing" and not impose a vote for this on the entire EU council. Sounds like a good compromise, that will respect all members of the EU.

Actually he just supports Russia full stop

 

[Simply Southern]

@Stella123 ...
Link to press conference with Steve Witkoff, special envoy ambassador. he is discussing Israel hostages. During the question and answer many questions were asked about Ukraine, that's when was ask numerous questions regarding Ukraine and he spoke the meeting. I don't have an exact time mark because I watched it live. Actually it's still going on live.

 

[statt#1]

This is pure speculation on my part, but my guess is that the “minerals deal” was perhaps more than a “minerals deal”.

I think it might have been a carefully crafted, carefully worded agreement intended to enable the US to put “boots in the ground” in Ukraine (even if it would be only be a mix of corporate/partnership, scientific, advisor, worker, and a few military “boots”.

Any attack by Russia or separatist forces on US personnel (of whatever kind) would be justification for a US military response. I’m guessing that it was intended that many of the initial “mineral extraction” operations would have been located in the eastern part of Ukraine.

Again, I have no knowledge that this is what the minerals deal was all about. It’s pure speculation.

But for those who automatically assume that the evil US was trying to extort or exploit Ukraine, Ukraine’s minerals are not just sitting there. Look it up. Only a small percentage of Ukraine’s mineral resources are being mined. It is an untapped resource that Ukraine would eventually like to use to finance their country. It is apparently an extremely difficult and extremely expensive undertaking to try to extract these minerals.

From what I have read, there currently is ZERO rare earth metals mining occurring in Ukraine. This was not some deal to allow to the US to pay pennies on the dollar to rip off Ukraine. I think it may have been an effort to provide security for Ukraine without starting WW III - and a means of investing billions into Ukraine’s economy to help them rebuild. It was a partnership. If I’m right about an ulterior motive existing for the agreement, it may no longer be a realistic approach, as everybody now know its purpose

I think the minerals agreement might have been the only ways Zelensky was ever going to be able to get US “boots on the ground”, - and the only way the US could legitimately provide any border area security without starting a direct US (and therefore EU) war with Russia. It appears that It wasn’t enough for Zelensky. Just a possibility

Pure speculation, all jmo

A whole lot of truth here. Z would have had, and yet still might have, literally thousands of Americans in Ukraine, not to mention untold amounts of private enterprise investment in the nation.....an opportunity to rebuild Ukraine.

 

[LovesPeace2]

There is no love lost between the current PM of Canada and the current Pres of the U.S. Both sides have been pretty aggressive and insulting against the other. I think when Canada finally holds it elections and gets Trudeau out of there, then relationships will improve between the two countries.

I can't see that happening .I'm Canadian and can't see trump working with Freeland or Carney . Both candidates don't feel any love for trump and we know trump hates Freeland. Plus most Canadians know we can't trust the USA any more jmvho edited to add we have a election this weekend and either Carney or Freeland will be our new Prime Minister

 

[UK Girl]

There is no love lost between the current PM of Canada and the current Pres of the U.S. Both sides have been pretty aggressive and insulting against the other. I think when Canada finally holds it elections and gets Trudeau out of there, then relationships will improve between the two countries.

Do your really think Canadians will just forget things?

Good for New Zealand. He's clearly not ambassador material. Good riddance to him, whatever his beliefs are.

well if we go by that Trump and Vance are not Presidential material.

 

[UK Girl]

MSN

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[Simply Southern]

I can't see where it says it's arranged for next Tuesday with US? It says

"Ukraine hopes for 'meaningful meeting' with US next week, Zelenskyy says
Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy has just posted a lengthy update on his diplomatic talks today on the margins of the EU summit in Brussels, in which he revealed he hoped to have “a meaningful meeting” with the US next week as the two sides continue to work on next steps for Ukraine."

That is so odd. Maybe the US this meeting with their Parliament or some other official. Because the next step for Ukraine is a peace deal, anything else is a no-go.
Moo

 

[Sundog]

Where was this coalition of the willing three-plus years ago (actually, ten)? Three years have gone by during which the UK, France, and the EU nations could have built up significant military force to at-minimum, deter further Russian aggression. You can’t get a bigger wake up call than the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Russia is a great evil. Putin is Moriarty.

Yet, for the most part, nothing has been done. Nothing has changed. Any coalition of the willing today will now have to start from scratch and come up with 100-150 billion a year to arm the UK, France, and EU. I’m guessing it will take three plus years minimum. And that’s only if they actually do something this time (vs 2022).

It’s amazing that since 2022 the UK and France and other EU nations sat by and watched Ukraine get mauled while doing little but condemning Russia and sending Ukraine a few billion. As long as it wasn’t their country.. as long as the US was providing intelligence, funding it, and sending billions in military equipment and weapons, no worries.

I encourage readers to go back to the first thread and read the first 10 pages again to see the comments made by Stoltenberg, Macron, Boris Johnson / Sunak, Merkel/Sholtz, Erdogan, Trudeau and yes, Joe Biden.

-Stoltenberg: “a brutal act of war”
-Trudeau “to meet with G7”
-EU Foreign Affairs: “darkest hours of -Europe since Second World War”
-Macron: “France and its allies did everything to try to head off the attack on Ukraine”
-Macron: “We will show no weakness in our response”
-Boris: “our worst fears have come true”
-Erdogan “rejects Russian’s unacceptable military action in Ukraine”
-NATO to deploy more land and air forces
- West condemns
-UK summons ambassador
-Germany “promises to help with refugees”
-Biden: “Russian government will be held accountable for catastrophic loss of life and human suffering”
-Biden: “announces new sanctions..(but reiterated US won’t put troops on the ground)”

Imo Russia should have been blasted back out of Ukraine by the US, the UK, France, Germany, and the EU back in 2022. Instead, leaders (including Biden and US) virtue signaled to the left wing press and / or did nothing. For the most part, EU defense spending remained below 2 percent. All talk

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The UK and especially the EU nations have simply refused to spend money for their own defense. Imo the EU is an economic union with a globalist socialist agenda, whose priorities place defense spending last. Dead last.

The US has by far been the biggest financial and military backer of Ukraine. The US has by far been the biggest financial backer of NATO. Yet the entire world (led by EU talking heads supported by left wing media) is vilifying the US after Zelensky refused to sign a minerals deal that would’ve provided at least some level of security for his country (more than what the EU has done in the past and is willing to do in future) going forward. That was the best he was going to get.

Ukraine is in Europe. Ukraine is not a member of NATO. What is wrong with this picture? Where have the UK, France, Germany, and the EU been? Where are they today? Pearl clutching and raging about a supposed new world order being created by the great satan US. Bull. There is no new world order. The UK, France, Germany and EU nations have simply been sleeping: shirking their responsibilities while playing in their globalist sand box for years. Wake up.

After the Biden administration added nearly 9 trillion (with a t) dollars to the US national debt, the US simply said: “We cannot continue to fund a forever war in Ukraine for 100 billion a year for a country that is not in NATO: the war needs to end; take steps to end it.” For everything we have given (and for what we were about to give) we were then disrespected on the world stage. The screeching by leftists who always think they are owed something continues.

Imo the US is the only nation who has tried to maintain world order. The US is the only nation who has provided sacrificial financial support to help Ukraine. Ukraine is in Europe. Ukraine is not part of NATO. The US said in 2022 they would not put boots on the ground. What has changed since then?

Where is/are UK, France, Germany, and EU nations - the socialist globalist central planners of EU? Imo some of their remarks sound remarkably similar to those they made back in 2014 and 2022. Imo UK, France, and EU needs to wake up, do what they can to support Ukraine (while US does the same), work to end the war, and stop bashing their greatest and strongest ally.

Jmo

Bravo! Incredibly well stated. Thank you.

 

[Stunned]

But, but, but he wants a Nobel Peach prize, doncha know? Got a funny way of going about it, huh?

IMO. Can't he just make one up like all of his fake Time magazine covers and Super Hero whatevers?

 

[branmuffin]

On Monday, the US suspended intelligence sharing with Ukraine and military aid - even equipment that is already in Poland can not cross the border

US and Ukraine officials to meet next week to discuss peace plans, Zelensky says

The Ukrainian leader says he will travel to Saudi Arabia where talks on bringing a "lasting" peace will take place.

www.bbc.co.uk

Where is the article to support the claim that equipment currently in Poland can't cross the border?

 

[Simply Southern]

MSN

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China taking sides to defend Ukraine. What the heck are they up to? Maybe they're going to offer the finance the war for Ukraine?
They need to end this war before all of Europe winds up in war.

The last week clearly shows fractures within the European countries ?
Will Russia take advantage of the divide within the European Nations and the European Union being at odds with the US?

From the link you posted from MSN...
Europe and Ukraine must participate in the peace process on equal terms with Russia and the United States. Moscow and Washington cannot solely determine the conditions for peace, states China’s special envoy for European affairs, Lu Shaye, according to SCMP.

According to the Chinese diplomat, he is "appalled" by how US President Donald Trump treats his allies in Europe.
Moo

 

[Sundog]

It is possible, but why won't the US go ahead with it now Zelensky has said he is willing?

Zelensky is all over the place and speaks out of both sides of his mouth. I think the U.S. needs more clarity and assurance before they make any decisions to go down this road again with Zelensky before he blindsides us again.

 

[statt#1]

Z messed up real bad in Washington....real bad. Behind the scenes, stuff's happenin'....."with U.S. backing".

Canada ready to join Ukraine peacekeeping mission with US backing, defense minister says

"We've strongly indicated we're willing to be a part of that, but I still believe it is going to require security guarantees from the United States," Canadian Defense Minister Bill Blair said on March 5.

kyivindependent.com

 

[Sarahlou]

At what point does willful ignorance become a choice? We have mountains of evidence, history, diplomacy, and basic facts laid out—and yet some people refuse to engage with it. They dismiss history when it’s inconvenient, ignore diplomacy when it contradicts their stance, and sidestep data that doesn’t fit their narrative.

Somewhere along the line, it stops being about debate and starts being about deliberate denial. And frankly, it’s exhausting. We can have our opinions, but we don’t get to rewrite reality to fit them.

This x100
I feel like it needs posting in every thread.

 

[Simply Southern]

Watching another press conference with Secretary of Defense Hegseth and the UK defense secretary. There's a lot of military people at this round table discussions. I'll try to find the link I can post. But I'll look for one.
It's happening inside the White House. UK defense secretary support a peace agreement. Appears to be six or more UK military official and six or more US military officials.
Moo

 

[Sundog]

I dunno I'm Canadian and I find him threatening his governor Trudeau and making us his 51 st state doesn't sound to friendly we Canadians take that as a threat .Trump repeated those words to Trudeau yesterday in the pH call

Canada Is "Angry" As Trump Again Calls Trudeau "Governor" Of 51st US State

US President Donald Trump has once called Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau as the "Governor", a nod to his claim that America's northern neighbor would be better off as it's 51st state.

www.ndtv.com

There's really no love lost between them.
I think Trump just has no respect for Trudeau (who has no respect for Trump). All the "Governor" talk and 51st state is a lot of that. After the Canadian elections, I think it will tone down.

 

[Sundog]

Btw the war started in 2022. It is now 2025

yes, I know, i tried to go back and edit to three years, but it was too late to edit.