Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #14

[LibraStarr]

Except it was video's and apparently an untrue claim JMO

Agree the video is linked in the article. They aren’t even following him as they are all standing together and talking. Vance says in the video that he agreed to talk for a few minutes and at the end when he asks them to respect his child and it was time to go, I hear the protesters say “ok”.

IMO

 

[LovesPeace2]

Also from the Times Link

"Russia has demanded that Ukraine surrender four regions in its east and south, as well as Crimea, before there can be any peace. It also wants Ukraine to become a “neutral” country and prevent it from joining Nato. Putin and other officials in Moscow have questioned Ukraine’s right to exist as an independent state."


"Dmitry Medvedev, the former Russian president, said yesterday that Russia’s main war aim remained the “maximum defeat” of Ukraine."


"Putin said on Wednesday that Moscow had provided Russian passports to almost all the residents of the regions in Ukraine under the Kremlin’s control."


"Ukrainians in the occupied territories who refuse to accept Russian passports face restrictions on their movement as well as limited access to healthcare and other public services. They are also at greater risk of arrest by the Russian security services. "

Russian TV’s talking heads boast of Trump’s lack of peace demands

Presenters have gloated about Putin’s new alignment with the US on Ukraine, with one hoping for an alliance against ‘satanic Europe’

www.thetimes.com

https://archive.ph/ZgZfy#selection-1783.0-1783.255

How are Americans actually feeling about this . Are they actually supporting this . This is just beyond words I can say here

 

[LoveyG]

<snipped for focus>

You mean the ones that Hilary Clinton paid that were made up as part of her "opposition research." LOL.

Here'sthe part you 'snipped for focus':

eta: The more Trump entrenches himself with Putin, the more inclined I am to believe it.

 

[Sundog]

It wasn't Melania. It was "Meloni," who is the prime minister of Italy. But agreed - nasty! MOO

Giorgia Meloni - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Glad to hear.

 

[acutename]

Super important to note that article is from 2014, citing something that happened in 2005. The world has changed considerably in 20 years and the blame game isn't going to overshadow what is taking place in real time.

MOO.

just underscores how long this has been going on and how deep the divisions are IMO

 

[Arkay]

Musk and trump are bullies and are taking it out on the wrong person/country.

They are, but I can’t imagine this bond between Trump and Musk can last forever.

Each is a bully but also each is accustomed to being the top dog in their spheres. Each is an attention hound.

There can only be one Godfather, right, so I can envision a future in which they end up battling to see who’s the boss. The Cabinet is already getting fed up with Musk.

I wonder which one told Zelenskyy that either his signature or his brains will be on the contract he was supposed to sign regarding minerals.

Or maybe I’m wrong and they’ll end up populating the world with their offspring and Musk will name his next 50 kids “Donald.”

JMO

 

[Stella123]

Tbh we sit here in the comfort and security of a Western world, talking about all this, and I find it scary that other European countries could also be like those parts of Ukraine that are having "restricted" medical care if they refuse Russian passports. It would be my worst nightmare to live in a Russian regime. JMO MOO

I look at all the jokey comments on X and think - this is actually serious. US and Russia aligned - it's scary. MOO

I think it is really serious. Not just shocking "how could Trump do or say xyz" - he's doing it. Russia loves it. Scary. JMO MOO

 

[statt#1]

Money and men. Ukraine says no to border changes, Russia says opposite.

Continued war.

 

[STAGNUM]

I am speechless about the crud coming out of his mouth. Really why are they meeting Ukrainians in Saudi . It's a useless meeting

It boggles the mind. Is MBS at the table? Does trump want to intimidate Zelenskyy by bringing a vicious murderer to the table? I suspect some bigger grift is afoot. It may involve our entire financial system. Stay tuned...

 

[branmuffin]

"Washington, DC:
Days after calling Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky "evil" for pushing what he called a "forever war" with Russia, American billionaire Elon Musk on Sunday warned that the entire frontline of Kyiv's defence system will collapse if he "turned off" his Starlink satellite internet system, which has been vital in maintaining the military communications.

Taking to X, Musk said he is "sickened by" the years of "slaughter in a stalemate that Ukraine will inevitably lose.""

Grr. Musk again JMO

"Entire Ukraine Frontline Would Collapse If...": Elon Musk's Latest Warning

Elon Musk on Sunday warned that the entire front line of Kyiv's defence system will collapse if he "turned off" his Starlink satellite internet system, which has been vital in maintaining the military communications.

www.ndtv.com

Musk and Trump want Russia to win. It is obvious to everyone.

 

[STAGNUM]

In response to Musk’s threats to cut off Starlink in Ukraine, Poland is ready to seek an alternative

(snip)

JUST IN: Trump says “Ukraine may not survive anyway”

During a Fox News interview, the U.S. president was asked: “Are you okay with the possibility that Ukraine might not survive if you withdraw support?”

Trump responded: “Well, it may not survive anyway. But we have certain weaknesses with Russia. And secondly, this war should never have happened, so we’re putting an end to it.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898765726103765341

"But we have certain weaknesses with Russia. And secondly, this war should never have happened, so we’re putting an end to it.”"

What weaknesses? Why in the world would Trump show his cards? By the way, campaigning prior to his first election, Trump claimed our nuclear triad was defective. How would he know that and secondly, why would any prospective US presidents say such a thing?

Trump might as well wear a huge sign saying traitor but nobody has the guts to look into his prior and present relationship with Putin and Russia. All the alarm bells are ringing and red lights flashing.

 

[303gmf]

How are Americans actually feeling about this . Are they actually supporting this . This is just beyond words I can say here

Outraged, saddened, disgusted, fearful!!!
Not who many, many millions of us caring humans voted for

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

It boggles the mind. Is MBS at the table? Does trump want to intimidate Zelenskyy by bringing a vicious murderer to the table? I suspect some bigger grift is afoot. It may involve our entire financial system. Stay tuned...

I’m thinking more like a clean-up on aisle 5. I don’t think anyone wants another world war.

 

[branmuffin]

Yes the Russians are releasing plenty of propoganda news - presumably so more people think Ukraine doesn't have a chance - give up on them etc. JMO

That first post with the shot of the gas tunnel - is that a satellite pic? Just wondering if it's a hint that Ukraine is now getting satellite support from elsehwere? MOO

Ukraine should blow up the pipeline.

 

[statt#1]

EU spends more on Russian oil and gas than financial aid to Ukraine – report

Europe estimated to have bought €22bn of fossil fuels from Russia in 2024 but gave €19bn to support Kyiv

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sundog]

EU spends more on Russian oil and gas than financial aid to Ukraine – report

Europe estimated to have bought €22bn of fossil fuels from Russia in 2024 but gave €19bn to support Kyiv

www.theguardian.com

So the EU is actually helping Russia fund the war.

 

[statt#1]

Europe’s Critical Choices: Securing Ukraine Without Trump

To secure Ukraine and the continent, European countries must take action that Trump and Putin cannot ignore. This will require making three crucial but divisive choices on how to deploy financial and military capabilities.

carnegieendowment.org

 

[Stella123]

So you think that's the deal? That Ukraine gives up the areas Russia has occupied, and Putin will agree to stop the war then? With the minerals deal providing some kind of financial security/support?

If that happened, then what if in a year's time Putin invades the rest of Ukraine? If he's got away with it once. Is Trump relying on Putin's word that he won't possibly?

Putin has already said no to peacekeeping forces. JMO

 

[statt#1]

EU’s defense plans are a threat, says Kremlin, warning of retaliatory measures

EU’s proposal to transform “from an economic to a military alliance” will make peace in Ukraine harder to achieve, top spokesperson says.

www.politico.eu

 

[Stella123]

So the EU is actually helping Russia fund the war.

Some European countries are still buying Russian oil yes, and that has been criticised. Most European countries have heavy economic sanctions on Russia which has weaked Russia and the economy. JMO