Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #14

[Stella123]

Ugh (MOO) Don't make concessions! JMO Why should Russia gain any of Ukraine at all?!! That's like rewarding bad behaviour JMO

"The U.S. delegation that is set to meet with its Ukrainian counterpart on March 11 will assess if Ukraine is ready for a "realistic peace," Reuters reported on March 10, citing unnamed officials."

"As part of their assessment, U.S. officials want to see whether or not Ukraine is ready to make concessions to Russia in order to end the war."

"You can't say 'I want peace,' and, 'I refuse to compromise on anything,'" an unnamed official said.

"If they are only interested in 2014 or 2022 borders, that tells you something," another official said."

US to assess if Ukraine ready for 'realistic peace' at upcoming meeting, Reuters reports

"If they are only interested in 2014 or 2022 borders, that tells you something," an unnamed U.S. official said.

kyivindependent.com

 

[SouthAussie]

(RSBM)

"You can't say 'I want peace,' and, 'I refuse to compromise on anything,'" an unnamed official said.

Apparently Putin can refuse though.

Putin Rules Out Concessions As Trump Seeks Quick Ukraine Truce

imo

 

[Stella123]

Why would Putin stick to any deal anyway?

"Vladimir Putin told Bill Clinton three years before his 2014 attack on Ukraine that he was not bound by the Budapest Memorandum guaranteeing the country’s territorial integrity, according to the former US president."

“Putin said to me: ‘… I know Boris agreed to go along with you and John Major and Nato, but he never got it through the Duma [Russian parliament]. We have our extreme nationalists too. I don’t agree with it and I do not support it and I’m not bound by it.’

“I knew from that day forward, it was just a matter of time,” the former president said of Putin launching an attack."

We knew in 2011 Putin would attack Ukraine, says Bill Clinton

Revelation raises questions about whether US and Europe should have been more prepared for 2014 invasion

www.theguardian.com

 

[Lilibet]

Apparently Putin can refuse though.

Putin Rules Out Concessions As Trump Seeks Quick Ukraine Truce

Precisely. At what point does Putin’s refusal to make concessions mean that HE doesn’t want peace? Is this concession requirement only for Ukraine, not their invader? IMO Trump wants a quick “peace” for the glory (bragging rights) and for a Nobel Peace Prize. He is not capable of genuinely caring about anyone or anything that doesn’t benefit him personally.

JMO MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Russia is now threatening Australia (it says it is 'warning' us).
The Russian embassy in Canberra (Australia's capital) said that if we join the coalition of the willing there will be grave consequences.

We are sending our NATO and EU military rep - Air Vice Marshal Di Turton - to Paris this week, to attend the summit for countries offering to contribute to a peacekeeping force to end the war.

‘We won’t be intimidated’: Wong hits back at Russia over ‘boots on the ground’ warning

Russia’s embassy said: “Western boots on the ground are unacceptable for Russia. To those inclined to construe the above as a threat: it is not; it is a warning.”

www.smh.com.au

 

[SouthAussie]

Maybe another Cold War is starting?

Russia said it was expelling two British “diplomats” ..... the embassy’s second secretary and the husband of the first secretary, the FSB said “counterintelligence work had revealed an undeclared British intelligence presence under the cover of the national embassy.”

Trump says pause on sharing US intelligence with Ukraine ‘just about lifted’ as Zelenskyy heads to Riyadh before key talks – Europe live

Donald Trump hoping US-led talks with Ukraine in Saudi Arabia can ‘make a lot of progress’ as Ukraine’s president meets Mohammed bin Salman

www.theguardian.com

As a side note, in 2023 Australia's security force (ASIO) uncovered a Russian spy ring here of Russian embassy and consular staff and operatives. Just so people understand that Russia is VERY familiar with installing spies in their own embassies.

Fake Russian diplomats revealed as heart of ‘hive’ spy ring in Australia

 

[SouthAussie]

"Pro-Russia candidate Călin Georgescu barred from Romanian presidential elections​

Romania’s central election authority has barred far-right pro-Russia frontrunner Călin Georgescu from running in May’s presidential election re-run.

The rejection of his candidacy, which was announced on Sunday evening and was condemned by far-right party leaders as undemocratic, can be challenged at the constitutional court."

Trump says pause on sharing US intelligence with Ukraine ‘just about lifted’ as Zelenskyy heads to Riyadh before key talks – Europe live

Donald Trump hoping US-led talks with Ukraine in Saudi Arabia can ‘make a lot of progress’ as Ukraine’s president meets Mohammed bin Salman

www.theguardian.com

Seems as though Europe may be now making a concerted effort to keep pro-Russian people out of government. imo
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[Vern]

Apparently Putin can refuse though.

Putin Rules Out Concessions As Trump Seeks Quick Ukraine Truce

imo

But I have a hincky that he wasn't even asked.

Absolutely unreal.

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[statt#1]

Putin has the power to immediately stop the war - his troops invaded Ukraine.
Giving in to bullies only makes them bigger bullies.

I was thinking about this line of reasoning and my opinion is this. I just don't think Russia is going to point blank turn around, leave Ukraine and lay down their arms. It's simply an unrealistic hope. So what are the alternatives? Fight! Well, that avenue of thought means war. And with the U.S. pulling back from that pathway, and with the desire to defeat Russia so strong, then there are a few things that will need to be sourced elsewhere. Billions of dollars, likely tens of billions, or even hundreds of billions, will be required. Armaments of all sorts, from drones, missiles, tanks, artillery, ammo, missiles, and a whole litany of supporting supplies and equipment, intelligence, and most tragic....men and women to commit to battle. All this for an extended period, likely years. In the event it would touch off a world war, then other factors, many very dire, arise.

The other avenue of thought is to come to the table and hammer out a deal for peace.

 

[UK Girl]

I was thinking about this line of reasoning and my opinion is this. I just don't think Russia is going to point blank turn around, leave Ukraine and lay down their arms. It's simply an unrealistic hope. So what are the alternatives? Fight! Well, that avenue of thought means war. And with the U.S. pulling back from that pathway, and with the desire to defeat Russia so strong, then there are a few things that will need to be sourced elsewhere. Billions of dollars, likely tens of billions, or even hundreds of billions, will be required. Armaments of all sorts, from drones, missiles, tanks, artillery, ammo, missiles, and a whole litany of supporting supplies and equipment, intelligence, and most tragic....men and women to commit to battle. All this for an extended period, likely years. In the event it would touch off a world war, then other factors, many very dire, arise.

The other avenue of thought is to come to the table and hammer out a deal for peace.

So basically because Russia, the invaders will not do the right thing Ukraine should give up? It is blatantly OBVIOUS with what is coming out of Russia that they are NOT interested in peace. Not at all and tbh why should they be now when aided by Trump?

 

[statt#1]

So basically because Russia, the invaders will not do the right thing Ukraine should give up? It is blatantly OBVIOUS with what is coming out of Russia that they are NOT interested in peace. Not at all and tbh why should they be now when aided by Trump?

If Trump is a Putin ally, then the U.S. is an ally of North Korea too, and some other unsavory nations....and worse, that makes the U.S. an enemy at war with all of Europe. Ouch!

What I posted, and you replied to, is my opinion. Thanks!

 

[Fabled Automatic]

US president says he finds Russia easier to deal with than Ukraine after cutting off intelligence and weapons to Kyiv

"All they want is to keep the land they stole, plus 50% of your mineral resources. Why are you being difficult about this?"

I can't imagine anyone doing anything remotely similar to the US and anyone expecting them to just roll over about it. This is absolute madness.

I remember stories from my uncle about doing bomb drills, hiding under his desk in school, having grown up during the cold war. Now, only a generation later, the leader of the United States is handing Russia deals on a platter. 78 years later, Russia has won the cold war.

 

[PommyMommy]

Ukraine has been seeking peace since the very first second of the war, and we have always said that the only reason it continues is Russia.

I am grateful to every unit and every brigade defending Ukraine’s positions, ensuring the destruction of the occupiers, and making every effort to provide our country with the strength needed to bring peace closer.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899052038832484575

 

[TootsieFootsie]

This all reminds me a bit of a long game.

 

[PommyMommy]

JD Vance's cousin, former volunteer fighter in Ukraine, condemns VP's 'ambush' of Zelensky.

Nate Vance, the cousin of U.S. Vice President JD Vance and a volunteer fighting on Ukraine's front lines, said he is "disappointed" in his relative's stance on Ukraine.
https://kyivindependent.com/cousin-of-jd-vance-decries-vps-stance-on-ukraine/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898937382545785285

Lammy vows to unfreeze billions for Ukraine from Russian oligarch's Chelsea FC sale.

U.K. Foreign Minister David Lammy vowed on March 9 to unfreeze billions of dollars of revenue earned from Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich's sale of the Chelsea Football Club (FC) and send the funds to Ukraine.https://kyivindependent.com/lammy-vows-to-unfreeze-billions-for-ukraine-from-formerly-oligarch-owned-chelsea-fc/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898962400318992395

These are the indicative estimates of Russia’s combat losses as of March 10, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898976247406821485

 

[PommyMommy]

Half of global population descended from ancient group in what is now Ukraine, DNA research shows.

Around 4 billion people can trace their ancestry to the Yamnaya, a community of cattle herders who lived in what is today Ukraine and spread across Europe and Asia, according to new DNA research led by David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898997860332392565

Half of global population descended from ancient group in what is now Ukraine, DNA research shows

Half of the human beings alive today are descended from the Yamnaya, a group that lived in what is now Ukraine 5,000 years ago, according to new DNA research led by David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School.

kyivindependent.com

As of February, 485 Ukrainian cultural sites have been confirmed as damaged during the war, including two archeological sites. Russia has also consistently looted Ukrainian artifacts from Crimea, Donbas, and elsewhere since 2014, transporting many to Russian museums.

 

[PommyMommy]

Ukraine, German arms maker seek to triple IRIS-T air defense supply.

Ukraine has signed a memorandum with German defense manufacturer Diehl Defense to triple the supply of IRIS-T air defense systems and missiles, Defense Minister Rustem Umerov said.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899010551537131785

Ukrainian military intelligence's (HUR) drones struck the Novokuybyshevsk oil refinery in Russia's Samara Oblast overnight on March 10, a source in the agency told the Kyiv Independent, confirming earlier reports.

The refinery produces jet fuel for supersonic aircraft such as Su-27 fighter planes and Tu-22 bombers, the source claimed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899018387147149441

No US-Russia meetings planned this week, Moscow says, denying media claims.

No U.S.-Russia meetings will take place this week, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova

This comes as CNN reported, citing a source, that the U.S. will hold separate meetings with Ukrainian and Russian officials in Saudi Arabia this week.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899026424817721358

 

[UK Girl]

JD Vance's cousin, former volunteer fighter in Ukraine, condemns VP's 'ambush' of Zelensky.

Nate Vance, the cousin of U.S. Vice President JD Vance and a volunteer fighting on Ukraine's front lines, said he is "disappointed" in his relative's stance on Ukraine.
https://kyivindependent.com/cousin-of-jd-vance-decries-vps-stance-on-ukraine/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898937382545785285

Lammy vows to unfreeze billions for Ukraine from Russian oligarch's Chelsea FC sale.

U.K. Foreign Minister David Lammy vowed on March 9 to unfreeze billions of dollars of revenue earned from Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich's sale of the Chelsea Football Club (FC) and send the funds to Ukraine.https://kyivindependent.com/lammy-vows-to-unfreeze-billions-for-ukraine-from-formerly-oligarch-owned-chelsea-fc/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898962400318992395

These are the indicative estimates of Russia’s combat losses as of March 10, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898976247406821485

I read this earlier. His cousin must feel that he is literally being left to die aided by his cousin.

 

[PommyMommy]

EU prepares for possible Hungarian veto on Russia sanctions extension, media reports.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899040794717114464

US officially closes 83% of USAID programs. The roughly 1,000 remaining contracts will be administered by the U.S. State Department, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on March 10.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899047490462118391

Ukrainian drones mark 22% increase in Russian target destruction in February, Syrskyi says.

Commander-in-Chief Oleksandr Syrskyi noted that first-person-view (FPV) drones and multi-rotor bombers remain the most effective tools.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899056477987361094

https://t.co/mNXM6Xn8Rp

 

[PommyMommy]

Russia attempting to gain foothold in Sumy Oblast, Border Guard warns.

"Small assault units" are attempting to establish a foothold near Novenke, a Sumy Oblast village near the border with Russia's Kursk Oblast, the State Border Guard said.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899061354612261100

Russia's arms exports plunge by 47% since full-scale invasion's start, SIPRI reports.T

he decline is attributed to Russia prioritizing weapons production for its own military, the impact of Western sanctions, and increased pressure from the U.S. and its allies on countries purchasing Russian arms, the report said.Read also: https://kyivindependent.com/russias-arms-exports-plunge-by-47-since-full-scale-invasion-sipri-reports/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899065298357002623

Ukraine to buy 4.5 million FPV drones in 2025. FPV drones, which are cost-effective and capable of precise targeting, have proven highly effective in destroying expensive military equipment.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899070705951465479