That's up to zelensky to decide to walk away from President Trump's offer. So far he hasn't been willing to do it.
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That would be great.
But your country told Ukraine to not develop nuclear weapons, as they would defend them.
And now, your country, is telling them "good luck and Godspeed at the hand of the invaders as we want to wash our hands of you and we don't care about democracy anymore".
So Europe and others (like Canada, who the US is crapping on right now) continue to fight for democracy. USA is absolving themselves of any interest in that.
"But my tax dollars!!!!"
That is what Americans are complaining about. The rest of the democratic world isn't. It's because they care about democracy and the voice of fellow human beings.
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his claim will be to have united Europe in a way no one else could
he also wants a Nobel Peace Prize because Obama got one- he has a competitive spirit
Considering it was Trumps idea for us to go as peacekeepers whilst keeping his own people at home not sure we are even given the option...just to obey his orders. Just like Ukraine I guess.
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Explainer: Why are peace talks in Saudi Arabia again?
Talks to end Russia's invasion of Ukraine have so far involved two key players - Washington and Moscow.Kyiv hopes to finally enter the fray this week in peace talks scheduled with US officials, little more than a week since that disastrous meeting between Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
One thing all these talks have in common is the location - Saudi Arabia.
The oil-rich kingdom may seem like an unusual host for talks on a European war, but there could be several factors behind Saudi's desire to mediate and the willingness of the parties involved.
What's in it for Saudi?
For Saudi, it's another chance to boost its profile on the international stage.
Since its public image reached a nadir after the 2018 killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, the Gulf state has sought to grow its soft power through the launch of big-money sports leagues in golf and football, while hosting major boxing events - which critics say is the country's attempt to "sportswash" its poor human rights record.
In the diplomatic sphere, Saudi has reached an understanding with Iran, hosted Volodymyr Zelenskyy for an Arab League summit and been involved in talks over wars in Sudan and Gaza.
US-Russia talks in FebruaryReuters
It's all reasserted the role the kingdom long has perceived itself as having - being a dominant force in the Middle East and the leader of the Sunni Muslim world.
Why did the US and Russia pick Saudi?
Trump described Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman as a "fantastic guy" in January, with Saudi announcing its intention to invest $600bn over the next four years.
The president wants that to rise to £1trn and said he will ask Saudi to lower oil prices.
Donald Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin SalmanReuters
For Moscow, Riyadh has managed to maintain Russian ties through the OPEC+ oil cartel even as Western nations applied sanctions on the Kremlin.
Saudi has been involved in mediation over the Ukraine war before, helping to secure a prisoner swap in 2022, with 215 Ukrainians - most of whom were captured after the fall of Mariupol - returned.
Saudi privacy
Moreover, Saudi's autocratic government, compliant media and distance from the war allows for talks to take place in a tightly-controlled country.
That means discussions can continue in relative privacy - and gives Saudi another chance to trumpet itself as a neutral territory for high-stakes negotiations.
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Imo he is not remotely the person Obama was though.
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Kelly seems like one of the good guys
Yeah. Visited wounded. How dare he.
As opposed to the official administration who reached out to the opposition parties of Ukraine in an (failed) attempt to get them to heave out Zelinskyy just 4 days ago.
Who's the traitors again?? Still attempting to feign neutrality? IMO, anyone opening up that 'cloak of neutrality' will find the Emperor is wearing no clothes. The rest of the free world is not blind.
Rules for thee, but not for we.
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On Rachel Maddow tonight Senator Kelly described what the nurses told him they had seen….young children being raped in front of their parents by Russian soldiers and then killed in front of their parents. Pure evil.
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80% of Americans live paycheque to paycheque. 50% of Americans are one paycheque away from homelessness. You can check the stats, they are out there to read. So those 52 days are not going to work for more than half the population. And those estimations were before Trump hired a billionaire who has no concept of budgeting, he doesn't worry if he can pay the hydro bill, put food on the table, put gas in their car, etc. The irony of the richest man in the world who has received billions of dollars in loans subsidies and tax credits deciding literally who may live and die.
It's unrealistic to think that the majority of Americans could weather this storm. It is the height of hyperbole. In concert with this decision of Trump to turn the whole of the USA into an experiment to assuage his vanity is insane. What also goes hand in hand with the uncertainty of bankruptcy and homelessness is the issue of credit card debt in the USA. US consumers owe more than 1.2 trillion dollars in credit card debt. If people can't pay for food or electricity they sure as hell won't be paying their credit card debt. Normally, when an individual doesn't pay their debt, they can be taken to court. They can seize your assets, etc. But what if millions have no assets? What if their car has been repossessed, their home has been foreclosed on, their savings gone. What do those credit card companies do? I don't think it would be likely for the government to bail them out like they did the big 3 auto companies. One of the tragic side effects of bankruptcy is suicide. In one fell swoop, Donald Trump could be responsible for a spike in suicides if he goes through with this poorly though out plan.
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Oh and I forgot his insult to the Polish President as well, "Be quiet small man". MOO
Well he has United Europe in a way that it wasn't that is true but not sure that it is anything he actually likes ie most of the world actually being there for Ukraine. By their reckoning we are likely traitors.
Eh that was the President he said that too? So now thats the Polish President, Ukraine and British one the three of them have been rude too. Well Musk also told Nigel Farage should be replaced I forgot about that and did a poll to ask if we should be liberated.
I agree with everything you are saying. These people have no connection or understanding of the majority of American people.80% of Americans live paycheque to paycheque. 50% of Americans are one paycheque away from homelessness. You can check the stats, they are out there to read So those 52 days are not going to work for more than half the population. And those estimations were before Trump hired a billionaire who has no concept of budgeting, he doesn't worry if he can pay the hydro bill, put food on the table, put gas in their car, etc. The irony of the richest man in the world who has received billions of dollars in loans subsidies and tax credits deciding literally who may live and die.
It's unrealistic to think that the majority of Americans could weather this storm. It is the height of hyperbole. In concert with this decision of Trump to turn the whole of the USA into an experiment to assuage Donald Trump's vanity is insane. What also goes hand in hand with the uncertainty of bankruptcy and homelessness is the issue of credit card debt in the USA. US consumers owe more than 1.2 trillion dollars in credit card debt. If people can't pay for food or electricity they sure as hell won't be paying their credit card debt. Normally, when an individual doesn't pay their debt, they can be taken to court. They can seize your assets, etc. But what if you have no assets? What if their car has been repossessed, their home has been foreclosed on, their savings gone. What do those credit card companies do? I don't think it would be likely for the government to bail them out like they did the big 3 auto companies. One of the tragic side effects of bankruptcy is suicide. In one fell swoop, Donald Trump could be responsible for a spike in suicides if he goes through with this poorly though out plan.
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But even worse, they pretend that the economy they 'inherited' was terrible. It wasn't. But the problem with the economy is that it is skewed toward the wealthy. And Trump has absolutely no plan to help the average citizen.
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And now his pivot is: If he'd been president in 2022 the invasion wouldn't have happened. If: the most charged word in the English language
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golf!Explainer: Why are peace talks in Saudi Arabia again?
Talks to end Russia's invasion of Ukraine have so far involved two key players - Washington and Moscow.
Kyiv hopes to finally enter the fray this week in peace talks scheduled with US officials, little more than a week since that disastrous meeting between Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
One thing all these talks have in common is the location - Saudi Arabia.
The oil-rich kingdom may seem like an unusual host for talks on a European war, but there could be several factors behind Saudi's desire to mediate and the willingness of the parties involved.
What's in it for Saudi?
For Saudi, it's another chance to boost its profile on the international stage.
Since its public image reached a nadir after the 2018 killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, the Gulf state has sought to grow its soft power through the launch of big-money sports leagues in golf and football, while hosting major boxing events - which critics say is the country's attempt to "sportswash" its poor human rights record.
In the diplomatic sphere, Saudi has reached an understanding with Iran, hosted Volodymyr Zelenskyy for an Arab League summit and been involved in talks over wars in Sudan and Gaza.
US-Russia talks in FebruaryReuters
It's all reasserted the role the kingdom long has perceived itself as having - being a dominant force in the Middle East and the leader of the Sunni Muslim world.
Why did the US and Russia pick Saudi?
Trump described Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman as a "fantastic guy" in January, with Saudi announcing its intention to invest $600bn over the next four years.
The president wants that to rise to £1trn and said he will ask Saudi to lower oil prices.
Donald Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin SalmanReuters
For Moscow, Riyadh has managed to maintain Russian ties through the OPEC+ oil cartel even as Western nations applied sanctions on the Kremlin.
Saudi has been involved in mediation over the Ukraine war before, helping to secure a prisoner swap in 2022, with 215 Ukrainians - most of whom were captured after the fall of Mariupol - returned.
Saudi privacy
Moreover, Saudi's autocratic government, compliant media and distance from the war allows for talks to take place in a tightly-controlled country.
That means discussions can continue in relative privacy - and gives Saudi another chance to trumpet itself as a neutral territory for high-stakes negotiations.
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If you tell me that your neighbour has threatened to take your house and kick you out, and I tell you that I'll let him keep your backyard while I divest 50% of your house's value into my own bank account... but at least I'm not your neighbour and maybe your neighbour won't want to come for more while I'm sucking the value out of your house... is that really an offer? Honestly?
I know it's easy to get caught up in "sides" and all that, but really, really think about it. If some country was threatening to steal part of the US, and then, another country offered to take 50% of the US's mineral resources in exchange for the illusion of protection (not in the form of boots on the ground, which you yourself pointed out), would you be okay with that?
Let's put politics, teams, colours, and all that aside. Would you be okay with that?
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In addition, over 20% of senior citizens are living on less than $15,000 yr. I've worked with a lot of cancer patients in that situation and its not good. It makes me ashamed of my country's leaders that they can treat elderly people so badly.
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"Bacon criticized the Trump administration’s general approach to dealing with Zelensky and Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying Republican voters are critical of the White House’s moves.
“They’re treating Putin with velvet gloves, and they’re being harsh to our allies,” Bacon said. “I got to tell you, I’m hearing from all over the world, but particularly lots of Republicans in Omaha, who do not like what they see.”
"He called for the U.S. to pursue a foreign policy under which the U.S. stands up for freedom."
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“Ukraine is our ally. They want to be part of the West. Russia is our adversary, and it’s time that this administration gets this in their brain,” Bacon said.
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“They’re treating Putin with velvet gloves, and they’re being harsh to our allies,” Bacon said. “I got to tell you, I’m hearing from all over the world, but particularly lots of Republicans in Omaha, who do not like what they see.”
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The goal is to end the war with Ukraine's sovereignty intact and security to ward off future attacks by Russia. Why is this so difficult for some to understand?
The goal is to end the war with Ukraine's sovereignty intact and security to ward off future attacks by Russia. Why is this so difficult for some to understand?
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