Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #4

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WARNING: Viewers may find the content of this video disturbing.

Russian Shelling Kills Ukrainian Civilians Fleeing Irpin (rferl.org)
Shells rained down on Ukrainian civilians as they fled from Russian troops advancing on the town of Irpin, northwest of Kyiv. Cameraman Andriy Dubchak captured the moment a shell landed on March 6, killing at least three people, including two children. The Russian military claims it does not target Ukrainian civilians.
 
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TikTok: Update on March 6, 2022 at 1:15pm ET

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  • #743
Oh too bad, someone wanted him to choose a side, good or evil?

I don't think he should have been put in that position, but I do think that he had to resign, given the current situation. Another casualty of Putin's war.
 
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‘Leave no stone unturned’: how investigators gather evidence of war crimes in Ukraine | International criminal court | The Guardian
Ukrainians fleeing the scenes of destruction and carnage in Ukraine are already being interviewed by investigators in anticipation of a future war crimes trial of Vladimir Putin, along with his top officials and generals.

With well over a million refugees crossing the border, there is an abundance of eyewitness testimony, while the flow of video footage through social media has provided an unprecedented amount of evidence which is being subjected to forensic analysis.

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Multiple investigations have been launched at the same time, and it is not clear to what extent they are coordinated, if at all.

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For example London’s Metropolitan police’s war crimes team has said it will gather evidence from any UK sources. The UN Human Rights Council has established a commission of inquiry, the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe has set up an expert mission. Meanwhile, several governments are helping the Ukrainian judicial system directly in the collection and safeguarding of evidence of atrocities committed on its territory.

The first organisation to start work was the Pilecki Institute, a Polish thinktank studying the nature and impact of totalitarian regimes. It has set up the Raphael Lemkin Centre for the Documentation of Russian Crimes in Ukraine, named after the Polish Jewish lawyer who coined the word “genocide” and drafted the Genocide Convention.

It has already deployed researchers to start interviews in the hotels and community centres in Poland hosting refugees, and is recruiting more Ukrainian speakers.

“The scale of tragedy among civilians will be unbelievable, so every testimony is important, every detail is important,” said Magdalena Gawin, the institute’s director. She added that the centre is also in touch with Ukrainians from inside the country, sending information from the frontlines.

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“It’s extremely difficult to build these cases because you don’t know what the attacking force is trying to hit,” Wiley said. “When you’re in a war of movement, it is very, very difficult, because the violence is constantly moving. International humanitarian law makes tremendous allowance - more than people realise - for incidental, or what the media calls collateral damage.”

Wiley predicts the worst, most obvious, war crimes are likely to come if Russian forces manage to subdue and occupy Ukrainian cities.

“This is where I think we’re gonna see pretty serious criminality,” he said. “That’s where we’re going to see assassinations, disappearances, mass arrests, physical psychological abuse, serious physical, psychological abuse.”

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Captured Russian soldiers in Kyiv, Ukraine. Experts say it is difficult to link atrocities up the chain of command, but Putin is ‘leaving lots of footprints’. Photograph: Efrem Lukatsky/AP

In previous war crimes cases, it has often been more straightforward to prove who committed an atrocity than to convict the chain of command that ordered it to be carried out.

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“Command responsibility is difficult to prosecute, but in this case I would expect it to be easier to prove in a courtroom as this is a superpower military with a definite chain of command and an obviously autocratic leader, Putin, who is leaving lots of footprints,” Scheffer said.

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In the case of Ukraine however, the US has offered to supply information to the court. Ukraine has given the ICC jurisdiction to investigate on its territory, so the prosecutor, Karim Khan, can begin to build cases for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide.

However, because Ukraine is not a party to the court (its parliament never ratified its membership), and because a Russian veto will stop it ever being referred by the UN security council, the ICC cannot address the crime of aggression. Philippe Sands, a law professor and director of the Centre on international courts and tribunals at University College London, said that is a “big gap” when it comes to accountability for Ukraine.



The crime of aggression, Sands said at a Chatham House discussion last week, “is the only crime which allows those responsible for the totality of the terrible events we are now witnessing to be held to account, to be judged.”

With the support of Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, former UK prime minister, Gordon Brown, among legal experts from around the world, Sands is seeking to persuade governments to fill the vacuum by setting up a special international criminal tribunal to try Putin and his regime for the overarching crime of waging an illegal war.

“If we’re committed to standing up for what is, in my view, a naked lawless act of aggression, we must leave no stone unturned,” he said.
 
  • #745
I thought MickyD's had closed up shop there already? They deserve an email too then.

Add PepsiCo to the email:

Calls grow to boycott Coca-Cola, McDonald’s and PepsiCo as major firms stay in Russia

A spokesperson for Coca-Cola Hellenic Bottling Company – the bottling company that has exclusive rights to distributing its products in Russia and other countries – allegedly told the outlet that “all operational, production, and logistics facilities of Coca-Cola in Russia are working”.

“We are fully responsible to partners, society, and thousands of our employees in Russia. Our top priority is the safety of our employees,” the spokesperson reportedly said.

The Coca-Cola Company has not denied the statement.

On Thursday, the company released a statement saying it was donating €1m to support the Red Cross movement in Ukraine as well as donations to Red Cross organizations in the neighboring nations of Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland.

“While these are our actions today, we will continue to monitor the situation closely,” the company said.

The company did not mention Russia in the statement and called for “peace in the region”.

Meanwhile, neither McDonald’s nor PepsiCo have released statements on Russia’s war on Ukraine.
 
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Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba has told CNN that “all western companies must withdraw from Russia” on humanitarian grounds.

Kuleba also reserved criticism for Coca-Cola and McDonalds as two multinational companies that continue to do business in Russia.

“We were upset to hear companies like Coca-Cola and McDonald's remain in Russia and continue providing their products,” he said.

Live updates: Russia invades Ukraine

I saw that Starbucks was also on the list that someone posted from Yale
(i.e. that Starbucks is still operating in Russia).

Edited to clarify Starbuck's status.
 
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There are other energy companies with locations in the US (and other countries) still doing business with Russia, and Bloomberg had a list of these not long ago. I don't have a link but I remember seeing TotalEnergies, and Gunvor mentioned.

Gunvor history is interesting. There was a big "deal" in 2021.

Gunvor wins biggest oil products deal with Rosneft in years, sources say
 
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Add PepsiCo to the email:

Calls grow to boycott Coca-Cola, McDonald’s and PepsiCo as major firms stay in Russia

A spokesperson for Coca-Cola Hellenic Bottling Company – the bottling company that has exclusive rights to distributing its products in Russia and other countries – allegedly told the outlet that “all operational, production, and logistics facilities of Coca-Cola in Russia are working”.

“We are fully responsible to partners, society, and thousands of our employees in Russia. Our top priority is the safety of our employees,” the spokesperson reportedly said.

The Coca-Cola Company has not denied the statement.

On Thursday, the company released a statement saying it was donating €1m to support the Red Cross movement in Ukraine as well as donations to Red Cross organizations in the neighboring nations of Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland.

“While these are our actions today, we will continue to monitor the situation closely,” the company said.

The company did not mention Russia in the statement and called for “peace in the region”.

Meanwhile, neither McDonald’s nor PepsiCo have released statements on Russia’s war on Ukraine.

There is a unique history between Russia and PepsiCo. Here are some examples. I am unsure what pacts may still be in place.

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Because there is no way to convert such a massive amount of Soviet cash into dollars, PepsiCo agreed to take its profits in vodka and Soviet-built ships.

The Soviet Union will build at least 10 ships, mostly oil tankers in the 25,000- to 65,000-metric ton range, to help finance the estimated $1 billion that PepsiCo plans to invest in the project.

The ships would then be sold or leased by PepsiCo, working together with a Norwegian partner, on the international market.

Foreign exchange credits from the sale and leasing of the ships would also partly be used for initial investment in two Pizza Hut restaurants scheduled to open this year in Moscow, a PepsiCo-Soviet joint venture.

PepsiCo's exclusive rights to sell Russian vodka in the United States will be extended for another 10 years in the pact.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...soviets/d5c3d727-2808-463a-b956-15245ae11bed/

PepsiCo's intended purchase of Wimm-Bill-Dann is its biggest acquisition outside the United States and one of the most important deals ever struck outside the Russian energy sector.

PepsiCo on December 2 said that it had agreed to pay $5.4 billion for Russia's largest dairy and baby food producer. The takeover would enable PepsiCo to become not only the country's largest food-and-beverage business but also expand further into eastern Europe and the former Soviet states. Wimm-Bill-Dann -- named in honor of its founder's love for tennis -- controls just over 40% of Russia's juice market and 30% of the dairy market.

https://www.industryweek.com/the-economy/article/21956084/pepsicos-russia-deal-wins-putins-approval
 
  • #749
There are other energy companies with locations in the US (and other countries) still doing business with Russia, and Bloomberg had a list of these not long ago. I don't have a link but I remember seeing TotalEnergies, and Gunvor mentioned.

Gunvor history is interesting. There was a big "deal" in 2021.

Gunvor wins biggest oil products deal with Rosneft in years, sources say

As long as the United States government is doing business with Russia regarding energy, then I don't see how we can ask energy companies to divest. If the U.S. government would implement an embargo on Russian energy, that would take care of things.
 
  • #750
There is a unique history between Russia and PepsiCo. Here are some examples. I am unsure what pacts may still be in place.

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Because there is no way to convert such a massive amount of Soviet cash into dollars, PepsiCo agreed to take its profits in vodka and Soviet-built ships.

The Soviet Union will build at least 10 ships, mostly oil tankers in the 25,000- to 65,000-metric ton range, to help finance the estimated $1 billion that PepsiCo plans to invest in the project.

The ships would then be sold or leased by PepsiCo, working together with a Norwegian partner, on the international market.

Foreign exchange credits from the sale and leasing of the ships would also partly be used for initial investment in two Pizza Hut restaurants scheduled to open this year in Moscow, a PepsiCo-Soviet joint venture.

PepsiCo's exclusive rights to sell Russian vodka in the United States will be extended for another 10 years in the pact.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...soviets/d5c3d727-2808-463a-b956-15245ae11bed/

PepsiCo's intended purchase of Wimm-Bill-Dann is its biggest acquisition outside the United States and one of the most important deals ever struck outside the Russian energy sector.

PepsiCo on December 2 said that it had agreed to pay $5.4 billion for Russia's largest dairy and baby food producer. The takeover would enable PepsiCo to become not only the country's largest food-and-beverage business but also expand further into eastern Europe and the former Soviet states. Wimm-Bill-Dann -- named in honor of its founder's love for tennis -- controls just over 40% of Russia's juice market and 30% of the dairy market.

https://www.industryweek.com/the-economy/article/21956084/pepsicos-russia-deal-wins-putins-approval

So there's a lot at stake for PepsiCo in Russia. Sounds like they are pretty embedded in many of Russia's beverage and food industries, and also with Russian ship building.

For those who do boycotts, this would be a good place to start, IMO.
 
  • #751
The sooner one of Putin’s daughters kills him, the better.
I was thinking this same thing! Or perhaps some "Russian tea" would be more appropriate?

"On 1 November 2006, Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalized. He died three weeks later, becoming the first confirmed victim of lethal polonium-210-induced acute radiation syndrome.[2] Litvinenko's allegations about misdeeds of the FSB and his public deathbed accusations that Putin was behind his unusual malady resulted in worldwide media coverage."

Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia

Maybe we should be more careful of what we say here :eek:
 
  • #752
I saw that Starbucks was also on the list that someone posted from Yale
(i.e. that Starbucks is still operating in Russia).

Edited to clarify Starbuck's status.


McDonald’s, Coca-Cola, PepsiCo and Mondelez International, the maker of Oreos and Ritz Crackers, did not respond to messages seeking comment about their operations in Russia. Starbucks and Yum Brands, whose chains include KFC and Pizza Hut, have said in response to the invasion that they were supporting humanitarian relief efforts.

But unlike the retailers who have announced that they’re pausing operations in Russia, some fast-food companies do not actually own the restaurants that operate there under their names. In Russia, Starbucks, Papa John’s and Yum Brands chains including KFC and Pizza Hut are mostly run by franchisees, who often have close ties to Russian banks or investors.

Unlike other chains, McDonald’s owns the vast majority of its 847 restaurants in Russia. According to a page for investors, Russia accounts for 9 percent of the company’s total revenues and 3 percent of its operating income.

Fast-food chains and food producers stay open in Russia, and mostly quiet about Ukraine.
 
  • #753
So there's a lot at stake for PepsiCo in Russia. Sounds like they are pretty embedded in many of Russia's beverage and food industries, and also with Russian ship building.

For those who do boycotts, this would be a good place to start, IMO.

It sounds like it on the surface, but there is a flip humanitarian side to this one. Dairy and baby food (they are one of the largest makers of baby food in Russia), so not just soft drinks. Yes, a lot at stake!
 
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The regional difference is interesting. It's coming in at around £6.70 here in the South West (I'm just outside of Bristol)
Really- I’m in Birkdale, Southport home of the Royal Birkdale golf club and the Open and between Birkdale and Formby ( where a lot of premiership footballers live ) they are always priced higher . Drive 25 miles to Liverpool and it’s quite a bit cheaper. Formby has the premiership footballers and Birkdale has the best footballers of old living up the road from me - Kenny Dalgliesh
( LFC) and Alan Hansen ( LFC) and Mark Lawrenson ( LFC)
Showing my age now !
 
  • #756
The regional difference is interesting. It's coming in at around £6.70 here in the South West (I'm just outside of Bristol)

Was just on the phone with my grandson in Vancouver. As he was walking past a gas station, he told me it was at $2.00 a litre. Ten minutes later on his way back the same sign posted $2.09. That's $9.50 a gallon :eek:
 
  • #757
Putin won’t end assault until Ukraine demilitarizes, source close to Bennett says

Sources close to Israel Prime Minister Naftali Bennett tell Channel 12 that the US encouraged him to meet Putin, and it seeks to take advantage of Israel’s good relations with both sides to end the fighting.

Russia has also conveyed via diplomatic channels that it is deliberately not directly targeting Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky, even though Russia knows where he is.

Bennett has told ministers that he did not present an Israeli mediation plan, but rather is conveying messages between the sides.

The effort is being led by the prime minister and Germany’s Chancellor Olaf Scholz.

Bennett is said to say Putin is “not conspiracy theorizing or irrational, but is suffering from rage attacks.”
 
  • #758
WARNING: Viewers may find the content of this video disturbing.

Russian Shelling Kills Ukrainian Civilians Fleeing Irpin (rferl.org)
Shells rained down on Ukrainian civilians as they fled from Russian troops advancing on the town of Irpin, northwest of Kyiv. Cameraman Andriy Dubchak captured the moment a shell landed on March 6, killing at least three people, including two children. The Russian military claims it does not target Ukrainian civilians.

This is going to sound weird...Happily there isn't footage of them actually shot, but I would have loved to have seen this family still alive, before they were killed...just to remember them as they were. I have the same feeling with persons on WS, seeing a picture of how they looked like in life when they are identified.

This is such a disgrace, a shameful war crime....shooting at civilians....not accidentally....targeted.
 
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