Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #6

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How does that work? Russia has shot everyone, including women and children. Did Russia take any war prisoners and, if so, what did they do - ship them to Russia as bargaining chips?


I took it to mean previous war prisoners. They've been swapping them back and forth for a few years now--the ones that each country captures as a result of the Russo-Ukrainian war that's been going on in the Donbas region.

Like these:
Freed Prisoners Arrive In Ukraine, Russia In Swap Hailed As 'First Step' Toward Ending War
 
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Fox News now announcing Benjamin Hall is hospitalized and they're trying to get more information about his condition.

As far as war correspondents go, he's as good as it gets.
 
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Could not agree more. Don’t know if anyone here reads or follows Julia Ioffe. I love to listen to her as a straight talking plain spoken Russia expert. She has also been consistent in her views and I have no clue what her politics are.

I consider her an expert and her latest interview just left me chilled. Her view is Putin has never been more dangerous. I fear she’s right & we’re “discussing” when we need to be acting.

March 13 2022
(7) Ex-KGB agent weighs in on 'bizarre' Putin photos - YouTube
Toxic Putin is going for bust. The west must stop him before this contagion spreads | Simon Tisdall | The Guardian
''Politically speaking, Vladimir Putin is a dead man walking. As dictators always do, he has fatally over-reached. Bunker-bound and bonkers, there’s no way back into the world for him. At home, too, he looks increasingly isolated.

But, militarily speaking, he’s not giving up. In Ukraine, the toxic president is going for bust. The worrying question: what will he do next?

Insofar as Putin still has a plan, it is to bomb and batter the Ukrainian people into submission, by whatever means necessary, as quickly as possible. If that requires using chemical weapons, such as chlorine gas, as in Syria, who can doubt he will do so. Last week’s Mariupol maternity hospital war crime was a harbinger of worse, perhaps far worse, to come.''


''The west must now maximise pressure on Putin – military as well as economic – as a matter of utmost urgency. Ukraine’s citizens and soldiers cannot be expected to hold out for very much longer without increased, all-round support. Ukraine’s future as an independent democratic state may be decided in the coming fortnight. So, too, may be the future of Putinism in Russia itself.''
I am going against every reasonable and logical belief in my 76-year liberal, anti-military life... But I think the words "retreat" and "compromise" and "negotiate" are not in Putin's vocabulary. He will continue to advance and destroy throughout Ukraine and Europe until he is physically brought down. How long can Ukraine hold on? How long can US remain passive? I beg someone to come up with a solution.
 
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How does that work? Russia has shot everyone, including women and children. Did Russia take any war prisoners and, if so, what did they do - ship them to Russia as bargaining chips?
What a terrifying thought.
 
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Fox News now announcing Benjamin Hall is hospitalized and they're trying to get more information about his condition.

As far as war correspondents go, he's as good as it gets.
Fox News correspondent hospitalized after being injured in Ukraine - CNN
"We have a minimal level of details right now, but Ben is hospitalized and our teams on the ground are working to gather additional information as the situation quickly unfolds," Fox News chief executive Suzanne Scott said in a memo to employees.

Hall's injury comes one day after Brent Renaud, an award-winning American journalist, was killed in the Ukrainian city of Irpin.
Andriy Nebitov, the head of the Kyiv region police, said that Russian forces shot Renaud, adding that "the occupants cynically kill even journalists of international media, who've been trying to tell the truth about atrocities of Russian military in Ukraine."
Another journalist, Juan Arredondo, was also wounded in Ukraine on Sunday.
 
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BREAKING: Fox News reporter Benjamin Hall seriously injured after incident near Kyiv, prosecutor says
https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/1503441041738903557?s=21
https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/1503441041738903557?s=21

I don't really understand why journalists are putting themselves in the middle of violent urban conflict areas. It's not like they're the only ones carrying a camera. Everyone who is there can film and share what's going on. Journalism has changed.

This is the fifth journalist we've heard about in a short time who is either killed or injured. They need to understand that if they put themselves in the middle of the conflict, they will be treated like everyone else with a camera.
 
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Fox News now announcing Benjamin Hall is hospitalized and they're trying to get more information about his condition.

As far as war correspondents go, he's as good as it gets.

I've been watching his reporting from Ukraine every night since the war began, he is an incredible journalist and decent person. Praying for him.
 
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I don't really understand why journalists are putting themselves in the middle of violent urban conflict areas. It's not like they're the only ones carrying a camera. Everyone who is there can film and share what's going on. Journalism has changed.

This is the fifth journalist we've heard about in a short time who is either killed or injured. They need to understand that if they put themselves in the middle of the conflict, they will be treated like everyone else with a camera.
It's not just about filming, but figuring out what's going on on the ground. That involves moving around, and talking to people.

They wear clothing that clearly identifies them as press, but the Russians do not care about that. Not only have journalists been unintentionally targeted, but they've been intentionally targeted as well.

Relying on videos taken by civilians is fraught with issues, including veracity, and there's much more to it than that anyway.

This isn't like reporters who stand in the middle of a blizzard to tell us how bad the snow is, this is about providing context, nuance, and facts that can be gathered no other way.

I can think of nothing more important at a time like this.
 
  • #712
It's not just about filming, but figuring out what's going on on the ground. That involves moving around, and talking to people.

They wear clothing that clearly identifies them as press, but the Russians do not care about that. Not only have journalists been unintentionally targeted, but they've been intentionally targeted as well.

Relying on videos taken by civilians is fraught with issues, including veracity, and there's much more to it than that anyway.

This isn't like reporters who stand in the middle of a blizzard to tell us how bad the snow is, this is about providing context, nuance, and facts that can be gathered no other way.

I can think of nothing more important at a time like this.

We have journalists, and then we have journalists. The latter are people who attend protests and riots to livestream what's happening on the ground. Half the crowd claims to be a journalist if it gets them closer to police lines.

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We have journalists, and then we have journalists. The latter are people who attend protests and riots to livestream what's happening on the ground. Half the crowd claims to be a journalist if it gets them closer to police lines.

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I do very much appreciate journalists reporting from a war zone. Many of us have linked to their reports and imo they provide invaluable information. I’m sure they are well aware of the risks they take and are reminded of it each day. They don’t ask for empathy from us however they do have mine.

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I found this
Syrische huurlingen vechten aan Russische zijde: geharde, nietsontziende soldaten

Syrian mercenaries fight on Russian side: hardened, ruthless soldiers

Russian President Vladimir Putin calls them "Middle East volunteers" who want to help with the "special operation" in Ukraine. But in reality these are hardened fighters, who are recruited for payment in Syria. These mercenaries are very important to Putin, says correspondent Olaf Koens.

Today another play like this during a meeting of the National Security Council. According to Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoygu, 16,000 volunteers from the Middle East have already volunteered to fight with Russian-backed militias in eastern Ukraine.

Putin responded with approval: "If there are people who want to come and help voluntarily, without payment (…) then we must do everything we can to help them reach the combat zones."

Syrian fighters are cannon fodder
But it is not so voluntary and without payment, correspondent Olaf Koens knows. "Russia is recruiting mercenaries in Syria," said Koens from the Ukrainian city of Lviv. "They have to do the dirty work in Ukraine for Putin for a lot of money. The Syrian fighters are cannon fodder, who are hired for the most dangerous work, so that the number of deaths among Russian soldiers is limited."

etc.

There are couple of inconsistent reports about it out there. This really give me the creeps. Same about the Chechen.....very scary people.

Did anybody see another independent media outlet about the soldiers recruited from Syria? Someone made an interesting remark about it on twitter. Putin has spoke out about it, said already 16.000 are coming, but Assad hasn't. Is this an indication Putin is lying again?

This was published an hour ago ....


London — Over 40,000 Syrians have registered to travel to Ukraine and fight for Russia, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), a Syrian non-governmental group. The group said Monday that no fighters had left Syria so far.

Among those being targeted for recruitment, SOHR said that a notice had been sent out to members of the Al-Qatarji militia — a group that has been sanctioned by the United States for serving as an intermediary between the Assad regime and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) — letting them know that they could sign up to be "mercenaries" for Russia in Ukraine.

Payment for the work was rumored to be between $1,500 and $2,500, SOHR said, though no figure had been confirmed.

Over 40,000 Syrians reportedly register to fight for Russia in Ukraine
 
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This article is better and not behind a paywall.

"A brave protester interrupted an evening broadcast on Russian state TV network Channel One on Monday with a sign blasting President Vladimir Putin’s war against Ukraine.

“Stop the war. No to war!” the woman shouted as she lifted up a sign reading, “Don’t believe propaganda. They’re lying to you.”

A clip of the broadcast quickly went viral on social media, where multiple journalists identified the woman who stormed the studio as Marina Ovsyannikova, an editor at Channel One. She’s reportedly already been detained by police."

Brave Protester Crashes Russian State TV Broadcast With Anti-War Sign
 
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This was published an hour ago ....


London — Over 40,000 Syrians have registered to travel to Ukraine and fight for Russia, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), a Syrian non-governmental group. The group said Monday that no fighters had left Syria so far.

Among those being targeted for recruitment, SOHR said that a notice had been sent out to members of the Al-Qatarji militia — a group that has been sanctioned by the United States for serving as an intermediary between the Assad regime and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) — letting them know that they could sign up to be "mercenaries" for Russia in Ukraine.

Payment for the work was rumored to be between $1,500 and $2,500, SOHR said, though no figure had been confirmed.

Over 40,000 Syrians reportedly register to fight for Russia in Ukraine

That's despicable. JMO
 
  • #718
I wonder what a newscaster has to do to get removed from the American nightly news? Granted the right to a free press is an important one. It's right up there with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness stuff.
AJMO

Kremlin memos urged Russian media to use Tucker Carlson clips – report

There is a journalist on the same channel who is trying hard to correct the misinformation that is being broadcast.

Journalist fact-checking channel’s pundits on air over Ukraine
 
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