Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #8

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Has it been verified if the crew on the Moskva perished or not?

We've went from "oh hey little fire" to rage over "you sunk my ship". So obviously we know Russia lies to lie. But what is the status of the crew? I'm confused.

JMO

Oh. This guy is a reporter for the Kyiv Independent.

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1514948701072019461?t=FY3OgY9WR7w4yZxfB2inLQ&s=19

In Russia, still not a single word on how many Moskva crew members survived or were killed.
The Black Sea fleet flagship, a giant missile cruiser, was just set on fire *for no reason*, then she exploded, then she sank.
Over 500 crew members — absolutely not a single word.
 
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Has it been verified if the crew on the Moskva perished or not?

We've went from "oh hey little fire" to rage over "you sunk my ship". So obviously we know Russia lies to lie. But what is the status of the crew? I'm confused.

JMO
The status of the crew is unclear. Russia claims they were all evacuated; other sources differ. Here's what I read earlier:

Russia first admitted, via state media, that the vessel has sustained serious damage after a fire caused ammunition on board to explode but made no mention of a Ukrainian attack - saying only that the cause is under investigation.

The defence ministry also said the crew has been evacuated, but made no mention of casualties.

Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to the Ukrainian ministry of defence, believes that 'hundreds' of sailors may have died in the blast - a view shared by Ilya Ponomarev, an anti-Putin Russian politician, who said that only 50 of the 510-strong crew have so-far been confirmed as rescued.

That account tallies with information put out by the Lithuanian Minister of National Defense, Arvydas Anušauskas. Posting on social media today, he wrote: 'An SOS signal was given from the Russian cruiser Moscow at 1.05am.

'[At] 1.14am The cruiser lay on its side and after half an hour all the electricity went out. From 2am, the Turkish ship evacuated 54 sailors from the cruiser, and at about 3am, Turkey and Romania reported that the ship was completely sunk. The related losses of Russian personnel are not yet known, although there were 485 people on board (66 of them officers).'

https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.amp...oskva-SUNK-Moscows-defence-agency-admits.html
 
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'South Park' Latest Episode Mocks Russian President Vladimir Putin Amid War in Ukraine - Dbp News
March 5, 2022
''The episode titled Back To The Cold War, which aired on Wednesday, mocked Putin for getting older and being more aggressive because his male genital organ “does not work the way it used to.” The plot of the episode shows how one of its main characters, Butters, is participating in an equestrian competition against a Russian student. As Butters participates in the game the episode shows how the parents perceive the implications of who wins. It should be noted that major sporting organisations including the Olympics, FIFA, and UEFA have banned Russian players from participating in their events.''

''The episode took a dig at Putin by imagining a World War III scenario where Mackey activates a DEFCON 3 alarm to warn against Russian nuclear threats. But he does it through the outdated DOS (Disk Operated System), a simple and minimal memory processing system, another reminder of how some systems and even people are still stuck in the past.''

I'm such a big fan of South Park...I endlessly watched it with my beautiful son and we laughed....IQ doesn't always mean you make the right choices....Putin is a good example. I think he suffers from megalomania.
 
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The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 5 hrs ago
Encircled marines urge Ukrainian authorities to break siege of Mariupol. Serhiy Volyna, commander of Ukraine’s 36th Marine Brigade, said that the situation in Mariupol is critical. The city has been besieged by Russian troops since late February.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
New York Times: EU to introduce oil embargo against Russian after April 24. The possible embargo may be introduced after the presidential run-off in France to avoid helping far-right candidate Marine Le Pen, who has railed against rising fuel prices, the NYT reported.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Russian troops shell Ukrainian border guards in Chernihiv Oblast. The village of Senkivka near the Russian border was shelled by mortars based in Russian territory on April 15, Ukraine’s Border Guard Service reported. There are no reported casualties.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 2 hrs ago
Russia's Defense Ministry to step up missile attacks on Kyiv. Russia said that this was a response to the alleged Ukrainian attacks on Russian territory. Russia launched a full-scale war against Ukraine on Feb. 24 and has been bombing and shelling Ukraine ever since.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Washington Post: Russia warns US to stop arming Ukraine. The Washington Post reported that it had received a copy of a diplomatic note sent by Russia. In the note, Russia claimed that US & NATO shipments of weapons to Ukraine could bring “unpredictable consequences.”

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 1 hr ago
7 killed, 27 injured by Russian attack on evacuation buses in Kharkiv Oblast. According to Kharkiv Oblast Prosecutor’s Office, Russian forces fired at evacuation buses with civilians in Borova, a village in Kharkiv Oblast, on April 14.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Russian forces shell residential area in Mykolaiv. Russian shelling of a residential neighborhood in Mykolaiv, a regional capital in southern Ukraine, injured multiple civilians on April 15, according to Hanna Zamazieieva, the head of the Mykolaiv Oblast Council.
 
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That is how I see him too and I bet the thing he is hating the most is people making fun of him and laugh...so.....it probably can cause a stroke.

He must have been bullied a lot in his youth?!
 
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Good move!

The most funny thing (to me) is that the flagship is gone...I just see Putin with a very red head, stumping his feet, having a temper tantrum. Maybe he could get a stroke or something <this man pulls out things in me, I would never thought off>. On the bad site....He is going to lash out, already started.....I'm holding my heart. Who is going to believe the story that the ship sunk, because of a spontaneous fire on board and at the same time be so very angry on Ukraine because of that...Very inconsistent....BS....I hope the Russian people get it now.

Speaking of tractor memes ... the article you quoted has the first twitter link within it taking me to a meme of "The last picture of the Moskva" ... there is a tractor involved. :)
 
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The status of the crew is unclear. Russia claims they were all evacuated; other sources differ. Here's what I read earlier:

Russia first admitted, via state media, that the vessel has sustained serious damage after a fire caused ammunition on board to explode but made no mention of a Ukrainian attack - saying only that the cause is under investigation.

The defence ministry also said the crew has been evacuated, but made no mention of casualties.

Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to the Ukrainian ministry of defence, believes that 'hundreds' of sailors may have died in the blast - a view shared by Ilya Ponomarev, an anti-Putin Russian politician, who said that only 50 of the 510-strong crew have so-far been confirmed as rescued.

That account tallies with information put out by the Lithuanian Minister of National Defense, Arvydas Anušauskas. Posting on social media today, he wrote: 'An SOS signal was given from the Russian cruiser Moscow at 1.05am.

'[At] 1.14am The cruiser lay on its side and after half an hour all the electricity went out. From 2am, the Turkish ship evacuated 54 sailors from the cruiser, and at about 3am, Turkey and Romania reported that the ship was completely sunk. The related losses of Russian personnel are not yet known, although there were 485 people on board (66 of them officers).'

https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10720215/amp/Russias-Black-Sea-flagship-Moskva-SUNK-Moscows-defence-agency-admits.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#aoh=16500270284237&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10720215/Russias-Black-Sea-flagship-Moskva-SUNK-Moscows-defence-agency-admits.html

So, it took 2 hours for the ship to sink? She was long gone when Russia announced she was being towed for repairs then. JMO
 
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NEXTA on Twitter - 5 hrs ago
#NATO ships entered the #BalticSea as part of military exercises. It is about five ships, led by the frigate of the Royal #Netherlands Navy "De Zeven Provinciën".
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NEXTA on Twitter - Video, 2 hrs ago
Zelenskyy reported that in #Mariupol the occupiers destroyed 95% of all buildings in the city.

NEXTA on Twitter
Last night a #Russian Ka-52 attack helicopter was destroyed in the #Kharkiv region.
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NEXTA on Twitter
Former State Duma deputy and opposition activist Ilya Ponomarev said that of the 510 people who were on the sunken cruiser "Moskva", only 58 were saved.

Euromaidan Press on Twitter - Audio
. @ServiceSsu publishes intercept alleging torture of Ukrainian POWs by 27-yo Russian soldier Salavat Sarsenov from Astrakhan "They brought prisoners. I f*king abused them: ‘I’ll cut off your f*king fingers! I’ll cut off your f*king wrist! Put them on a shovel, on a brick!’ ‘Aaaaah!’ he yells’

NEXTA on Twitter - 1 hr ago
The commander of cruiser "Moskva", Anton Kuprin, died during explosion and fire on board. This was reported by the adviser to Minister of Internal Affairs of #Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko. Captain Anton Kuprin gave the order to bombard #Snake Island on the first day of the war.

Euromaidan Press on Twitter
Russian occupiers in Mariupol started digging out bodies from mass graves, ban people from burying their dead relatives - city administr "Given presence of 13 mobile crematoriums, occupiers may try to conceal #RussianWarCrimes" https://buff.ly/3rsi4GI PHOTO CREDIT: Andriy Tsaplienko
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NEXTA on Twitter
In #Kyiv, the Square of "Friendship between Kyiv and #Moscow" will be renamed into the Square of Heroes of #Mariupol. It is also announced that some streets and subway stations will be renamed.

The New Voice of Ukraine on Twitter
Since the beginning of the Russian invasion, Patron, the service dog looking for the Russian mines and explosives in the Chernihiv region, discovered about 150 explosive objects! Photos: ДСНС України
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(GOOD BOY! ^^^ :) )
 
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Speaking of tractor memes ... the article you quoted has the first twitter link within it taking me to a meme of "The last picture of the Moskva" ... there is a tractor involved. :)

LOL
 
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So, it took 2 hours for the ship to sink? She was long gone when Russia announced she was being towed for repairs then. JMO

Who would tow a damaged flag ship through a storm.....stupidity all over...but again a lie.
 
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Oh. This guy is a reporter for the Kyiv Independent.

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1514948701072019461?t=FY3OgY9WR7w4yZxfB2inLQ&s=19

In Russia, still not a single word on how many Moskva crew members survived or were killed.
The Black Sea fleet flagship, a giant missile cruiser, was just set on fire *for no reason*, then she exploded, then she sank.
Over 500 crew members — absolutely not a single word.

I'll look for it again, but there was something put out by Russia, yesterday I think, that stated they had successfully evacuated all crew members.

Here it is:

<modsnip - not an approved source>

Russian warship Moskva severely damaged as Ukraine claims responsibility : NPR

<modsnip - not an approved source>
 
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'I'm shocked by my church leaders in Moscow' - priest in Ukraine - BBC News
''The Russian Orthodox Church has echoed the rhetoric of the Kremlin in justifying the war in Ukraine. It is a stance that appears to be driving large numbers of Ukrainian priests and parishioners to turn their backs on Moscow.


"I will never forget the moment when I woke up early to go to mass, only to suddenly hear the shocking sounds of bombing," says Father Nicolay Pluzhnik.

"The wonderful woman who cooked at our church and her son, who was in a wheelchair, were both killed when an artillery shell hit their apartment. I now know of several other of our parishioners who have died."

Like most clergy in the region of north-eastern Ukraine where he is from, Father Pluzhnik belonged to the branch of the Russian Orthodox Church which takes its direction from its religious leadership in Moscow.

But now, he says, has applied to join the Ukrainian Orthodox Church - which was finally granted independence from the Russian Orthodox Church in 2019, in a move never recognised by Russia''
''He says many fellow priests who followed Patriarch Kirill in Moscow are doing the same because of the Church leader's stance on the war.''
 
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'I'm shocked by my church leaders in Moscow' - priest in Ukraine - BBC News
''The Russian Orthodox Church has echoed the rhetoric of the Kremlin in justifying the war in Ukraine. It is a stance that appears to be driving large numbers of Ukrainian priests and parishioners to turn their backs on Moscow.


"I will never forget the moment when I woke up early to go to mass, only to suddenly hear the shocking sounds of bombing," says Father Nicolay Pluzhnik.

"The wonderful woman who cooked at our church and her son, who was in a wheelchair, were both killed when an artillery shell hit their apartment. I now know of several other of our parishioners who have died."

Like most clergy in the region of north-eastern Ukraine where he is from, Father Pluzhnik belonged to the branch of the Russian Orthodox Church which takes its direction from its religious leadership in Moscow.

But now, he says, has applied to join the Ukrainian Orthodox Church - which was finally granted independence from the Russian Orthodox Church in 2019, in a move never recognised by Russia''
''He says many fellow priests who followed Patriarch Kirill in Moscow are doing the same because of the Church leader's stance on the war.''

I'm shocked by the rhetoric...Although I'm not a believer myself I've always been open and understanding to people who are...If this is giving you a feeling of belonging, hope, being part of a caring community, totally in peace with that. But this is so going against my feelings...Again I have no words. I feel so very sad for all the people..who see and hear their church leaders say horrific things....It must be very hurtful....
 
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APPROVED SOURCES
(In addition to approved MSM from around the world)


The Kyiv Independent
Ukrinform
Nexta TV
Hromadske
AtlanticCouncil.org
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL)
Euromaidan Press


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Aram Gabrelyanov media (including Zhizn, Lifenews.ru, Izvestia)
Global Times (Chinese publication, known for fabrications, disinformation, misinformation and conspiracy theories.)

Reminder, y'all.

@Sillybilly can you please add The New Voice of Ukraine since you approved? Much obliged.
 
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April 14 2022
(6) How we verify social media posts from the war in Ukraine - BBC News - YouTube
''There are terabytes of photos and videos of the war in Ukraine circulating online. Mixed in with genuine footage is misleading content including videos made to look as if they have been produced by the BBC. How do you tell if a photo or video posted online is real or fake? Here's a look at how the BBC's Disinformation team check and verify content shared online about the war in Ukraine.''
 
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APR 15, 2022
The AP Interview: UN food chief says Mariupol is starving | AP News
[...]

The WFP is trying to put food supplies now in areas that could be caught up in the fighting, but Beasley acknowledged that there are “a lot of complexities” as the situation rapidly evolves.

A lack of access is part of the problem, he said, but so is a shortage of manpower and fuel as resources are diverted to the war effort.

“It’s not just going to be the next few days — but the next few weeks and few months could even get more complicated than it is now,” he said. “In fact, it’s getting worse and worse, concentrated in certain areas, and the front lines are going to be moving.”

[...]
 
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