Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat 100km NW of Melbourne, 4 Feb 2024 #2

[SLouTh]

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Bezzina was asked about the chance of someone close to Murphy being involved in the circumstances of her going missing, which he dismissed.

“We had the Ristevski in Avondale Heights, and the Wales-King case in (Melbourne’s) eastern suburbs, (which) all involved family members, but there’s been others equally that have involved criminal elements,” he said.

Bezzina said it was a matter of keeping all options on the table.

“It is a matter of looking at all the aspects: Who lives in the area? Do we have criminals in the area? Has she been pulled into a house or gone of her own volition?

Former homicide cop weighs in on Samantha Murphy disappearance: ‘I think we all knew it’

More than a week after the Ballarat mum vanished while out for a jog, police labelled the disappearance suspicious.

7news.com.au

 

[leopink74]

You need water to survive more than three days and in the case of Julie Schutt, homeowners noticed that it seemed someone was using their garden tap.

If she is alive she would now need to be where she has access to water.

I think you could probably do without water if you had access to some kinds of fruits that were juicy, like an orchard, or fruit trees in someones backyard. I just think the spring fruiting season is finished now.
I might be wrong. I just know our bats have moved on

I do notice this time there is no request from the police for people to look in their sheds etc for her as they do in some
missing person cases,

Interesting re the shed comment - I totally agree, usually if a person is missing like this then there is a request to check all out buildings - you would think this would be the same in this case given the fact that SM’s home was a little out of town and other properties nearby would have plenty of sheds etc.

I just do not know with this one, still not sure her husband is involved - I think he is a bit overwhelmed with the situation and is trying to keep it together - perhaps coming off as unemotional.

I am also not convinced that she was grabbed off the street and abducted - has there been any contact for a ransom or something ? I am not sure that anyone would take a 51 year old mother and just keep her…

I cannot see her going so far off track that she is wandering the bush for this long without anyone finding her.

And I am not sold on self harm - I imagine she would leave a note so her family do not have the added trauma of looking for her and wondering what happened..

So I am back where I just don’t know….

 

[Poirot's niece]

The Police said she was seen leaving the property in the first press conference with missing persons unit.

I saw that in a police presser. However, and I'm going to be pedantic because the words used matter in these pressers. They saw her leaving, presumably walking down the long driveway to where the cctv is blocked by trees & line of sight. They don't know (I think, maybe I'm wrong) which way she turned because she is not captured by camera or reportedly seen after this. If it was a planned abduction someone knew the blind spots. If it was opportunistic then its EXCEEDINGLY lucky. Did she routinely return from her run/walk via the same exit/entry. Could her pattern involve jumping a fence or side gate unseen by cctv? When I come home on foot my dogs run to me at the nearest spot even though the fenced perimeter is approx 800metres, some on a graded road and some if you walk in through side & front paddocks. If I see a koala or a bird or something curious I might come back in the top gate to get my binoculars......
She might've left but re-entered off cam. I'm just speculating, the property is not a tiny suburban block.

 

[olaselo]

Sadly no one saw madeleine McCann when she was abducted

There is no evidence to suggest she was abducted

 

[PolyDot]

Agree. The search being called off, the lack of police warning women walking alone to be cautious.. to me this indicates that the potential of this being misadventure or a random attack /abduction is highly unlikely.

IMO that leaves us with only two options.

1) They know who is responsible for Sam’s disappearance and this person is not a risk to the greater community, indicating a potential relationship of some kind between Samantha and the person responsible for her disappearance.

Or

2) Samantha has left of her own accord.

Exactly -
1. Its quite unlikely to had left of her own accord - it’s not something that mothers would put their kids thru
2. Its more likely someone known to her has harmed her .

- I wonder if she did actually go for a run Sunday morning ?
- I also wonder if something happens after the Saturday dinner ? , was there an argument or other incident ?

 

[Voluspa]

I saw that in a police presser. However, and I'm going to be pedantic because the words used matter in these pressers. They saw her leaving, presumably walking down the long driveway to where the cctv is blocked by trees & line of sight. They don't know (I think, maybe I'm wrong) which way she turned because she is not captured by camera or reportedly seen after this. If it was a planned abduction someone knew the blind spots. If it was opportunistic then its EXCEEDINGLY lucky. Did she routinely return from her run/walk via the same exit/entry. Could her pattern involve jumping a fence or side gate unseen by cctv? When I come home on foot my dogs run to me at the nearest spot even though the fenced perimeter is approx 800metres, some on a graded road and some if you walk in through side & front paddocks. If I see a koala or a bird or something curious I might come back in the top gate to get my binoculars......
She might've left but re-entered off cam. I'm just speculating, the property is not a tiny suburban block.

There's 2 side gates and the driveway is situated between them, a fair distance between the first gate. The second gate slightly further down from the driveway and leads towards the side of the house. So it's not out of the question she re-entered through a gate, or jumped the fence. I'm not sure how many cameras are on property but if we base this off the one camera we know about then this theory of people coming and going, is highly possible IMO.

 

[Poirot's niece]

Interesting re the shed comment - I totally agree, usually if a person is missing like this then there is a request to check all out buildings - you would think this would be the same in this case given the fact that SM’s home was a little out of town and other properties nearby would have plenty of sheds etc.

I just do not know with this one, still not sure her husband is involved - I think he is a bit overwhelmed with the situation and is trying to keep it together - perhaps coming off as unemotional.

I am also not convinced that she was grabbed off the street and abducted - has there been any contact for a ransom or something ? I am not sure that anyone would take a 51 year old mother and just keep her…

I cannot see her going so far off track that she is wandering the bush for this long without anyone finding her.

And I am not sold on self harm - I imagine she would leave a note so her family do not have the added trauma of looking for her and wondering what happened..

So I am back where I just don’t know….

Agreed, its all possible. Self harm seems very unlikely but if it was intended notes can sometimes thwart the process if found early so people decide not to leave them. From all reports Sam is a thoughtful, methodical person. It seems improbable that such a plan would be enacted within such a short window of opportunity. Be more likely to on a day where she was not expected to be anywhere, like a day trip to Melbourne for business related tasks. I doubt she would want to have her children's home and neighbourhood be imprinted with trauma and loss.
Statistically if foul play involved its odds on someone she knows, and if so, how close on the spectrum? Inner circle, extended family, community/schools, work, acquaintances, neighbours.
Or back to random opportunistic predator. LE haven't issued blanket warnings about a dangerous suspect frequenting the area.

 

[Voluspa]

Agreed, its all possible. Self harm seems very unlikely but if it was intended notes can sometimes thwart the process if found early so people decide not to leave them. From all reports Sam is a thoughtful, methodical person. It seems improbable that such a plan would be enacted within such a short window of opportunity. Be more likely to on a day where she was not expected to be anywhere, like a day trip to Melbourne for business related tasks. I doubt she would want to have her children's home and neighbourhood be imprinted with trauma and loss.
Statistically if foul play involved its odds on someone she knows, and if so, how close on the spectrum? Inner circle, extended family, community/schools, work, acquaintances, neighbours.
Or back to random opportunistic predator. LE haven't issued blanket warnings about a dangerous suspect frequenting the area.

I felt very early on that this was opportunistic. As time goes on and as you mentioned - there's no warnings issued, I'm inclined to think it's much closer to home than I initially thought.

<modsnip: If you can't discuss it, don't mention it.>

 

[SLouTh]

I felt very early on that this was opportunistic. As time goes on and as you mentioned - there's no warnings issued, I'm inclined to think it's much closer to home than I initially thought.

<modsnip: If you can't discuss it, don't mention it.>

You are able to speculate a theory if you word it as such, just so long as it doesn’t implicate a family member …

 

[Kemug]

Interesting re the shed comment - I totally agree, usually if a person is missing like this then there is a request to check all out buildings - you would think this would be the same in this case given the fact that SM’s home was a little out of town and other properties nearby would have plenty of sheds etc.

I just do not know with this one, still not sure her husband is involved - I think he is a bit overwhelmed with the situation and is trying to keep it together - perhaps coming off as unemotional.

I am also not convinced that she was grabbed off the street and abducted - has there been any contact for a ransom or something ? I am not sure that anyone would take a 51 year old mother and just keep her…

I cannot see her going so far off track that she is wandering the bush for this long without anyone finding her.

And I am not sold on self harm - I imagine she would leave a note so her family do not have the added trauma of looking for her and wondering what happened..

So I am back where I just don’t know….

I wonder if it will turn out to be something that we never even thought of.

 

[T-dawg420]

I just can’t get onboard with the leaving of her own accord scenario.

If you were going to leave to start a new life, why would you do it when you have a 4 hour window. She had a brunch date at 11am, wouldn’t you imagine you would give yourself far more time to “get away”?

Why not do it on a work day, say you’re sick, then you have at least 8 hours head start. Or why not do it when you literally have no plans or engagements.

It just makes no sense that you would choose to leave, when you have planned engagements only a matter of hours away.

Add to that why would you take any trackable gadgets with you? Maybe if you want to throw someone off the scent, but why not just leave all that behind, give yourself as many hours as possible and just leg it? It makes zero sense to me IMO.

 

[DK007]

There is no evidence to suggest she was abducted

I believe there is evidence the said perpetrator mb phone pinged.

A phone allegedly belonging to Brueckner was 'pinged' by a cell phone tower in Praia da Luz, close to where Madeleine disappeared, on the night she went missing.

Mysterious phone call holds key to Madeleine McCann mystery - but time almost up

A 30-minute call made just before Madeleine McCann went missing to prime suspect Christian Brueckners phone is being investigated - but time is running out

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[acutename]

Do you have a link for this information please???

AFAIK Police have not released the time of the ping. And I have never heard of a morning ping ????



Police confirmed her mobile phone did ping at a telecommunications tower 11km from her home.

Major update in search for missing jogger Samantha Murphy

The mother-of-three has not been seen for more than a week.

7news.com.au

It is understood a local mobile phone tower registered a ping from Ms Murphy's phone on Sunday, after she disappeared, but police refused to say more about the timing or location of the phone.

Survival expert slams cops over search for missing mum

Samantha Murphy, 51, left her home on Eureka Street in Ballarat, in country Victoria, to go jogging through Woowookarung Regional Park at about 7am on February 4.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The DM has also published this, but I would speculate it came from social media as no exact time was given ….

Her mobile phone later pinged a local cell phone tower around 5pm on Sunday - which can only locate her anywhere within 17km of nearby Buninyong.

This was ten hours after she left home, and is where the trail of clues runs cold.

The missing jogger mystery that has gripped Australia

Samantha Murphy, 51, vanished while out for a 7.30am jog in the Woowookarung Regional Park beauty spot near Ballarat, in Australia's Victoria state, last Sunday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

IMO

article says she was wearing a smart watch... wonder if the have the data from that

 

[Bats]

I wonder if it will turn out to be something that we never even thought of.

I'm not ruling out a freak asteroid impact. JMO

 

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[Chestnutsunfish]

I just can’t get onboard with the leaving of her own accord scenario.

If you were going to leave to start a new life, why would you do it when you have a 4 hour window. She had a brunch date at 11am, wouldn’t you imagine you would give yourself far more time to “get away”?

Why not do it on a work day, say you’re sick, then you have at least 8 hours head start. Or why not do it when you literally have no plans or engagements.

It just makes no sense that you would choose to leave, when you have planned engagements only a matter of hours away.

Add to that why would you take any trackable gadgets with you? Maybe if you want to throw someone off the scent, but why not just leave all that behind, give yourself as many hours as possible and just leg it? It makes zero sense to me IMO.

I agree this is the least likely of the remaining possibilities however if her plan was self harm then this would make more sense to me. Agree though, the less likely of the options on the table

 

[olaselo]

I believe there is evidence the said perpetrator mb phone pinged.

A phone allegedly belonging to Brueckner was 'pinged' by a cell phone tower in Praia da Luz, close to where Madeleine disappeared, on the night she went missing.

Mysterious phone call holds key to Madeleine McCann mystery - but time almost up

A 30-minute call made just before Madeleine McCann went missing to prime suspect Christian Brueckners phone is being investigated - but time is running out

www.mirror.co.uk

So if my phone pinged in the area on the same night - am I now as suspect?

We should draw a target first, then fire - and then see what hits it.

Not shoot at a wall - then draw a target around it to make it fit.

Christian B is a monster - there is no denying that. But there is ZERO evidence he is involved in Maddie. If there was, there would have been charged laid by now.

Back to SM please.

 

[BreakingNews]

There is no evidence to suggest she was abducted

And no real evidence that she even left the property at that time.

 

[514Caledonia]

Mr Bezzina said there were some “unnerving circumstances” surrounding how a woman from a respected family could go missing.

A bizarre comment.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Hate to admit but I am slightly confused. Is this thread about SM (Samantha Murphy) or the case relating to Madeleine McCann (MM). I am having trouble understanding and keeping it straight. MOO