Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat 100km NW of Melbourne, 4 Feb 2024 #2

[nhmemorymaker]

Yes i saw that earlier today

Oh how I wish they would use a more contemporary picture of her.....
there must be so many more recent available...

 

[Minaka]

So the CCTV still of SM with the dog bag was taken before her run at 7am?

Sunrise in Ballarat on the Sunday was around 6.45am.

Does the cctv still look consistent with a time before 7am?

Now this is what I call real sleuthing!!

Interesting, I'm now wondering if the reason for not releasing the CCTV is it might show inconsistencies in the shadows and reveal the true time of day she was last seen. In a still image you can't necessarily judge shadows and the time of day, however in video it becomes more apparent. Just one thing to think about seeing as the CCTV hasn't been released.

 

[Warshawski]

Interesting, I'm now wondering if the reason for not releasing the CCTV is it might show inconsistencies in the shadows and reveal the true time of day she was last seen. In a still image you can't necessarily judge shadows and the time of day, however in video it becomes more apparent. Just one thing to think about seeing as the CCTV hasn't been released.

The capture at 7.16am ( that turned out not to be SM) shows real brightness, which could be sun well into rising, imo.

 

[Kemug]

Bryan Kohberger made the mistake of taking his phone with him when he drove to the student house in Moscow intending to kill. Turned it off on the way, then back on again on his way home. Today's phone technology is a wonderful thing, but perps need to be very careful or it can trip them up.

 

[514Caledonia]

My father, an attorney, said that most criminals are caught because they talk.

No … so far there are no further details on these events, nor with whom Samantha was having brunch with …. Excepting that it has been referred to as a “family brunch” …

Could someone have misspoke about the 10 a.m. meeting?

 

[jbennett]

Most people can walk 6km/h at a moderate pace. 10km, probably half an hour id say.

That would be a 3:00 minute km, which is basically a sprint. If she was jogging about a 10 minute mile, which is ambitious for a long run but very doable for a seasoned runner, she would be done her 10 km in about an hour. If she was walking it, it would be closer to 3 hours to do 10km.

 

[iamshadow21]

That would be a 3:00 minute km, which is basically a sprint. If she was jogging about a 10 minute mile, which is ambitious for a long run but very doable for a seasoned runner, she would be done her 10 km in about an hour. If she was walking it, it would be closer to 3 hours to do 10km.

I used to walk 8km in roughly 1hr20m, and I am not an athlete.

 

[jbennett]

I used to walk 8km in roughly 1hr20m, and I am not an athlete.

That's a pretty fast walk compared to average. An average per km walk would be about 5km per hour.
Per personal experience and random google search for averages.

 

[iamshadow21]

That's a pretty fast walk compared to average. An average per km walk would be about 5km per hour.
Per personal experience and random google search for averages.

I used to aim for one kilometre every ten minutes. I was happy if my time dipped into the 9+min range.

I just meant, it wouldn't necessarily take three hours to walk 10km. If I could do it, she, an experienced runner, definitely could.

MOO

 

[T-dawg420]

i saw Theo Hayez’s godfather JP posted on the find SM FB page giving advice on the family trying to access SM’s digital data the same way Theos mother did with his google account.

For those not familiar, Theo went missing in Byron Bay in 2019, and the initial searches were in the complete wrong direction of Byron bay as they assumed he just went north west towards his hostel. It wasn’t until his mother “hacked” his google account and found his GPS data that they saw he in fact went a different east/north east direction ending very close to the water.

JP said LE are often limited in what they can access digitally for legal reasons.

Hopefully this is something the family have done or will do, Esp if LE are facing road blocks with accessing the digital data.

 

[acutename]

I used to walk 8km in roughly 1hr20m, and I am not an athlete.

10K is 6.2 miles so I think 1.5 hrs would finish that distance... reading all these posts, I would think her 10K (or 14K) was the total out and back, not half her run - or a circle if the trails allow. Some one must know her usual route? (Yes, the dog probably knew and now it is gone). Did she never run with anyone else? I assume (?) they searched about 20km around and she is not in that area so they are looking elsewhere for clues IMO.

 

[T-dawg420]

That would be a 3:00 minute km, which is basically a sprint. If she was jogging about a 10 minute mile, which is ambitious for a long run but very doable for a seasoned runner, she would be done her 10 km in about an hour. If she was walking it, it would be closer to 3 hours to do 10km.

Her Aunty and uncle say in this article she regularly did a 20km run, however on this day she was only going for a 10km run cos she wanted to be home by 9am because has a meeting/appointment later in Ballarat (the brunch I assume) as well as it being a real hot day.

It also says her husband raised the alarm at 11am.

Inside the frantic hours after Samantha Murphy went missing

The family of missing mother-of-three Samantha Murphy have revealed how her husband tried to find her on the morning she went missing.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Procrastinator]

Ok trying something left field. If you were a regular runner - would you mention that you were going for a run? Could that have been to put someone off the trail of where you were really going? Or could SM have been questioned by someone to confirm her movements? Possibly just normal chit chat….

That scenario reminds me of Kerry Whelan's disappearance.

Kerry WHELAN

 

[Waverider]

I find it interesting they can apportion a criminal element when these people have never been found. If someone is targeting vulnerable people, like we see happen in the US, then these people would never met the requirements to be listed as criminal.
How can they determine method of disappearance if they’ve never been found. Just because someone is drug affected, depressed, unreliable - that doesn’t guarantee suicide or death by misadventure.
Unknown should be listed as unknown and possibility of criminal circumstances until found.

I think those stats have been misinterpreted. 150 people are reported missing each day in Australia; of those 150 reports, 1-2% are criminally related. So, of the 50,000 missing persons reports made each year, roughly 800 are criminally related. This figure, as far as I can understand, doesn’t include the long-term missing whose whereabouts are unknown.

 

[514Caledonia]

May I ask what an AVO is?

I did an Internet search on AVO for that area:
An AVO is usually requested by someone who thinks they are at risk of violence or abuse from another person.
If you’re experiencing abuse, it’s understandable to feel frightened, but gaining a clear understanding of what an AVO entails and its conditions can empower you to take control of your situation. By delving into the details of AVOs, you can equip yourself with the knowledge and resources needed to make informed decisions and pave the way toward a safer and more secure future.
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1 What is an AVO?
2 What is an AVO for a Defendant?
3 Can an AVO Application be Withdrawn?
4 What You Need to Know About AVO Conditions
4.1 AVO Conditions in Mandatory Orders
4.2 AVO Conditions in Additional Orders
5 Need an Experienced AVO Lawyer to Guide You

What is an AVO?​

An AVO is an Apprehended Violence Order, which is a court order in Australia to protect a person or group of people from violence, harassment, intimidation, or other forms of threatening behavior.
An AVO is usually requested by someone who thinks they are at risk of violence or abuse from another person.
The order can stop the person who is the subject of the order from coming near or contacting the protected person(s) or behaving negatively towards them.
Two types of AVO are the Apprehended Domestic Violence Order (ADVO) and the Apprehended Personal Violence Order (APVO).
Key Takeaways:

• An Apprehended Violence Order (AVO) is a legal document issued by a court in Australia to protect a person or group of people from violence, harassment, intimidation, or other forms of threatening behavior.
• A person can defend themselves against an AVO and offer evidence to the court to disprove the allegations against them.
  
• An Apprehended Violence Order (AVO) application may be withdrawn by the individual who filed it before or during the court hearing.
  
• When served with an AVO, it is crucial to understand the conditions as they define the permissible and prohibited actions. AVO conditions consist of two types: mandatory orders and additional orders.

What is an AVO for a Defendant?​

When considering an AVO from the defendant’s perspective, its gravity lies in their offenses and the potentially life-altering consequences that may follow.
The implications of an AVO extend beyond personal matters, affecting professional connections and curtailing the freedom to engage in certain activities or travel freely.
Defendants are often compelled to comply with specific conditions, such as refraining from contacting the protected person, avoiding their residence or workplace, and refraining from any threat or intimidation.
Violating the terms of an AVO can result in criminal prosecution, penalties, and, in severe cases, imprisonment.
Knowing that a person can defend themselves against an AVO and offer evidence to the court to disprove the allegations against them is essential. Also, they might seek legal representation to learn about their rights and options.

Can an AVO Application be Withdrawn?​

Yes, an Apprehended Violence Order (AVO) application may be withdrawn by the applicant who filed it before or during the court hearing.
If the applicant no longer believes they are at risk of violence or abuse or have settled their differences with the AVO subject, they may withdraw their application.
It is important to remember that even if the AVO application is withdrawn, the defendant may still be required to appear in court and respond to the allegations brought against them.
If the court has previously issued a temporary or permanent order, it will remain in effect until it decides to revoke it.
Also, note that drawing back an AVO application doesn’t stop the police from acting if they think a crime has been committed, like assault or stalking. The police could still look into the situation and charge the person who was the subject of the AVO if they have evidence to back up the claims.

What You Need to Know About AVO Conditions​

When served with an AVO, understanding the conditions becomes crucial, as they outline what you can and cannot do. AVO conditions encompass two types.

AVO Conditions in Mandatory Orders​

Every AVO, following Section 36 of the Crimes (Domestic and Personal Violence) Act 2007 No 80, must include the following mandatory orders, which appear as Order 1:

• Any person having a domestic relationship with the protected person must not be assaulted or threatened.
• Intentional stalking, harassment, or intimidation of the protected person or any other person having a domestic relationship with them is prohibited.
• Any property belonging to or in possession of the protected person or another person having a domestic relationship with the protected person must not be destroyed or damaged recklessly.

The orders provide a minimum level of protection. As they do not prevent contact or exclude the protected person from the premises, they can be made even if the defendant and the protected person live together or in a relationship.

AVO Conditions in Additional Orders​

To ensure the safety and protection of a PINOP and their child or other family members, a court may impose any restriction or prohibition on a defendant that appears ‘necessary or desirable.’
Section 35 of the Crimes (Domestic and Personal Violence) Act 2007 No 80 sets out additional orders that can be included on an AVO without limiting a court’s prohibitions or restrictions.
The law regarding AVO orders and how they were written changed on 3 December 2016.
AVOs made before 3 December 2016 could also include the following additional orders:

Contact Orders​

• If the defendant lives in a property where the protected person(s) may reside from time to time, or if he or she lives in another specified location, the defendant must not reside there. In other words, you cannot live with a protected person.
• The protected person must not be approached or contacted unless the contact is through a lawyer. Only your AVO lawyer can approach the protected person or communicate with them by phone, text message, email, writing, through a third party, or in any other way.
• It would be best if you did not approach the school or any other place the protected person might go to for study, any place they might go to for childcare, or any other place listed in the application.
• Following alcohol or illicit drug use, you must not approach or be in the company of the protected person for at least 12 hours.
• Trying to find the protected person is illegal unless a court has ordered you to do so.

AVO Conditions about Family Law and Parenting Orders​

Unless your lawyer recommends counseling, mediation, conciliation, or as ordered by the court or as agreed with the other party, you may not contact or approach the protected person by phone, text message, email, writing, through a third party, or any other method.

AVO Conditions About Locations​

• Living with the protected person or in a place specified in the order is prohibited. This order can be made regardless of whether you own or lease the property.
• Protected persons cannot be visited at home, work, or another address (if specified).
• You must stay a certain distance from the protected person’s home, work, or another address (if set).

AVO Condition about Weapons​

You are not allowed to possess any firearms or prohibited weapons.

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[lampshade1]

Investigation underway after two people found dead in Victoria

It is unclear if this is related or not although appears relatively close in south Ballarat to Sam's home.

 

[Noorie]

I used to walk 8km in roughly 1hr20m, and I am not an athlete.

Same. I use to walk an 8km route on flat city streets and wouldn't take more than 1.5 hours. Im slow according to Hubby.

 

[Noorie]

Investigation underway after two people found dead in Victoria

It is unclear if this is related or not although appears relatively close in south Ballarat to Sam's home.

Holding my breath.

 

[Dotta]

The plot thickens.

RIP to victims

 

[BreakingNews]

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That was not her running in the CCTV, which has been confirmed. Again everyone thinks, her family, because she religiously goes running the same time, same place etc. That she has done that, but there is no proof that she has gone running this time and actually left the home to go out

Exactly! Absolutely no evidence of her actually leaving home. Unless this issue is cleared up in my mind, I can't theorize about anything happening outside their property. MOO.