Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat 100km NW of Melbourne, 4 Feb 2024 #5

[Deleted member 293720]

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This looks like an electricity hub station, close to where police think Samantha was taken, near the phone tower at Mt Clear and where police have been searching and believe in the area something happened,

this is most likely Samantha's turn around point at 7km from home, running from Boak Rd.

This building could have a camera as well


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It's water storage

 

[Gidz]

Hi

I think it's the beat up about the perp/s joining the searches. Been around for ages as a theory and may be true but the DM is always using these sensationalist headlines with any old story. I am disgusted that they did that family holiday in Bali story. I would love to know who handed those photos etc. to them. Probably big bucks for whoever sold their soul.

I think the photos came from FB.

 

[BreakingNews]

Newbie here....
With all the theories coming in regarding the business dealings & Samantha's position at their company. Maybe ... IMO could it be possible that Samantha pre arranged a meeting point to conduct business with the perps and unfortunately that meeting went haywire?
That would explain when & where they knew to meet.
Also that there was no evidence of a struggle as she was already in the vehicle.
It would explain why hubby was so quick to get police involved after conducting his own search.

I can't imagine SM doing business while on a run, unless it was dodgy business. However I do think this is related to their business somehow. As police alluded to. Something went haywire, that's for sure.

 

[mondayschild]

When I look this area up in maps, it says "water tower" or water storage.

Also looks like this might have been part of an older railway track called the "bunny" railway. More investigation required...

Ok, so making cnr Eureka St and Cathie St as start point (I don't know SM address so haven't used it in this map) and end point the intersection in Mount Clear identified earlier in the thread - the map/trail looks very similar to the "Bunny" trail that was created in 2023. Round trip 13km (designed as a walk). Map on right and more info here

 

[ProfCluezo]

So that’s in keeping with the estimated length of around 14kms total (the plan), and 7kms to Mt Clear. If this is an established trail then presumably anyone tracking Samantha from early on might have known exactly where she was intending to run to?

 

[mondayschild]

So that’s in keeping with the estimated length of around 14kms total (the plan), and 7kms to Mt Clear. If this is an established trail then presumably anyone tracking Samantha from early on might have known exactly where she was intending to run to?

Yes. Even if her path wasn't quite the same (ie could have been further along/more into the actual park) - the fact that it is an established trail could mean people are coming and going (or parking) at various stops very close to her. It seems that the official start point for the trail is 55 recreation road - so on any given day there would be handfuls of cars/bikes etc.

These google images must be fairly recent as I can see the "Friends of Canadian Corridor" sign. Lots of parked cars both directions.

It's only 1.7kms between this trail entry and the suspected last ping zone. (google maps estimates 22 min walk time).

 

[ProfCluezo]

What’s interesting then is that there appear to have been no witnesses… (At least none reported by police)…. I wonder if anyone was intercepting joggers/walkers further down? How was it possible for no one to see/hear anything at 8am on a Sunday when presumably other joggers/walkers would also have been making the most of the cooler air in the early morning? Especially if it’s an established trail….??

 

[ProfCluezo]

I wonder if it’s possible that a involved party could have been “shadow” running a distance behind Samantha to ensure that there were no parties who might have been able to witness a possible abduction?

 

[Hats]

Yes. Even if her path wasn't quite the same (ie could have been further along/more into the actual park) - the fact that it is an established trail could mean people are coming and going (or parking) at various stops very close to her. It seems that the official start point for the trail is 55 recreation road - so on any given day there would be handfuls of cars/bikes etc.

These google images must be fairly recent as I can see the "Friends of Canadian Corridor" sign. Lots of parked cars both directions.

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It's only 1.7kms between this trail entry and the suspected last ping zone. (google maps estimates 22 min walk time).

Mount Clear College is just there. I thought the cars parked in the photo was due to the college.

 

[mondayschild]

I wonder if it’s possible that a involved party could have been “shadow” running a distance behind Samantha to ensure that there were no parties who might have been able to witness a possible abduction?

or shadow biking, or more than one observer working as part of a group.

 

[Deleted member 293720]

Yes. Even if her path wasn't quite the same (ie could have been further along/more into the actual park) - the fact that it is an established trail could mean people are coming and going (or parking) at various stops very close to her. It seems that the official start point for the trail is 55 recreation road - so on any given day there would be handfuls of cars/bikes etc.

These google images must be fairly recent as I can see the "Friends of Canadian Corridor" sign. Lots of parked cars both directions.

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It's only 1.7kms between this trail entry and the suspected last ping zone. (google maps estimates 22 min walk time).

How far away is that from that tower and building ?

 

[mondayschild]

How far away is that from that tower and building ?

using the water storage as the marker, 1.7kms. (22 mins at normal walking pace)

 

[Dr Samoht]

When I look this area up in maps, it says "water tower" or water storage.

Also looks like this might have been part of an older railway track called the "bunny" railway. More investigation required...

The electricity building pictured is on the south eastern end of Recreation Rd, the water tank reservoir is close by on the northern side , the ‘bunny’ rail trail is well to west … it was the old Ballarat East to Buninyong rail line that closed in the 1930’s … the present Mt Clear secondary college is built over the old line .

 

[mondayschild]

The electricity building pictured is on the south eastern end of Recreation Rd, the water tank reservoir is close by on the northern side , the ‘bunny’ rail trail is well to west … it was the old Ballarat East to Buninyong rail line that closed in the 1930’s … the present Mt Clear secondary college is built over the old line .

can you mark these places out on a map for us @Dr Samoht ? so we can visualise. It is hard to get a proper sense via google maps.

 

[ProfCluezo]

The electricity building pictured is on the south eastern end of Recreation Rd, the water tank reservoir is close by on the northern side , the ‘bunny’ rail trail is well to west … it was the old Ballarat East to Buninyong rail line that closed in the 1930’s … the present Mt Clear secondary college is built over the old line .

Dr Samoht it sounds like you know the area well…. What do you think the chances are of an abduction potentially happening at 8am on a Sunday with no witnesses?

 

[Dr Samoht]

It's water storage

Not correct … it’s electricity related … the water storage is close .. but on the north side of Recreation Rd … a separate stand alone structure .

 

[Deleted member 293720]

Not correct … it’s electricity related … the water storage is close .. but on the north side of Recreation Rd … a separate stand alone structure .

That's what I thought originally, but when I clicked on, it said water storage. Hoping it has CCTV

 

[PolyDot]

What’s interesting then is that there appear to have been no witnesses… (At least none reported by police)…. I wonder if anyone was intercepting joggers/walkers further down? How was it possible for no one to see/hear anything at 8am on a Sunday when presumably other joggers/walkers would also have been making the most of the cooler air in the early morning? Especially if it’s an established trail….??

Yes that is interesting that , as far as we know , no witnesses saw her jogging.
Maybe she was never on that track ..

 

[Deleted member 293720]

Ok, so making cnr Eureka St and Cathie St as start point (I don't know SM address so haven't used it in this map) and end point the intersection in Mount Clear identified earlier in the thread - the map/trail looks very similar to the "Bunny" trail that was created in 2023. Round trip 13km (designed as a walk). Map on right and more info here

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This was the other map, I had a look, basically from her house, but slightly shorter, but comes out to the electricity building and phone tower

 

[mondayschild]

Not correct … it’s electricity related … the water storage is close .. but on the north side of Recreation Rd … a separate stand alone structure .

yes, I would believe that as it looks like an electricity station - but the digital 'record' on google maps has it fixed as water storage - would be great to have your help with a few crosses on a map if you had time !