Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat, 4 Feb 2024 *Arrest* #12

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It is entirely possible that the police accessed his phone records before they arrested him. It does not take an arrest to access someone's phone records... VICPOL might well have checked everyone's phone records in Mr Clear, Scotsburn, Bunyinyong, on the grounds that it was most likely a local, and they were right.. it was a local. No surprises there. Vicpol would have got a court injunction to do that, and it would have been granted, particulary, if VICPOL narrowed their sifting exercise down to male owners of cell phones between a certain age,, this kind of thing.....


This could well explain VICPOL's bold claims, that Mrs Murphy was murdered at a particular time at a particular place by a particular person..


The police would have had other surveillance monitoring him beforehand

They can download its detailed geolocation history while it has been Turned On and location services enabled. Any devices which sync to the cloud also make this data available in the cloud without access to the physical device, Although access to the accuser's personal account is required

Geodata is available as long as the device was turned on with location services active. They can't 'go back' and turn it on retrospectively.

There are other types of apps Police can place on the accused phone
But the problem is that it needs to be installed on the device.

The police obviously don't want him destroying his phone either

This is why police having his phone was helpful for them
 
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It is entirely possible that the police accessed his phone records before they arrested him. It does not take an arrest to access someone's phone records... VICPOL might well have checked everyone's phone records in Mr Clear, Scotsburn, Bunyinyong, on the grounds that it was most likely a local, and they were right.. it was a local. No surprises there. Vicpol would have got a court injunction to do that, and it would have been granted, particulary, if VICPOL narrowed their sifting exercise down to male owners of cell phones between a certain age,, this kind of thing.....


This could well explain VICPOL's bold claims, that Mrs Murphy was murdered at a particular time at a particular place by a particular person..

Yes, it was known early on that the police would look at whose phones were in the same area as Sam's phone when she disappeared.
From that info, the police would have looked into those numbers in more detail. imo

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Who else was in bushland when Samantha Murphy disappeared?
 
I believe the crucial evidence will be phone data cross referenced with CCTV, this combination brings so many offenders undone.

Police will be able to tell when Samantha went from moving on foot to moving in a vehicle.

They will back capture all PS movements before and after Samantha was murdered. CCTV with show PS vehicle moving through specific points with Samantha’s phone or watch eg. if PS stopped his car at traffic lights this will be reflected in Samantha’s data, the stop also captured on CCTV. This sort of stuff is excellent evidence and I’m sure that Vicpol have found some gems in the ‘unprecedented amount’ of CCTV.

Recently I read about a murder case where the police were able to tell how long the offender's car door was open for. Little details like that can help convict. I bet every inch of PS car has been investigated.

I don’t believe PS is all that clever, he made some huge errors to be arrested so quickly. IMO.
 
I believe the crucial evidence will be phone data cross referenced with CCTV, this combination brings so many offenders undone.

Police will be able to tell when Samantha went from moving on foot to moving in a vehicle.

They will back capture all PS movements before and after Samantha was murdered. CCTV with show PS vehicle moving through specific points with Samantha’s phone or watch eg. if PS stopped his car at traffic lights this will be reflected in Samantha’s data, the stop also captured on CCTV. This sort of stuff is excellent evidence and I’m sure that Vicpol have found some gems in the ‘unprecedented amount’ of CCTV.

Recently I read about a murder case where the police were able to tell how long the offender's car door was open for. Little details like that can help convict. I bet every inch of PS car has been investigated.

I don’t believe PS is all that clever, he made some huge errors to be arrested so quickly. IMO.

Is there much CCTV in that area?
 
It is entirely possible that the police accessed his phone records before they arrested him. It does not take an arrest to access someone's phone records... VICPOL might well have checked everyone's phone records in Mr Clear, Scotsburn, Bunyinyong, on the grounds that it was most likely a local, and they were right.. it was a local. No surprises there. Vicpol would have got a court injunction to do that, and it would have been granted, particulary, if VICPOL narrowed their sifting exercise down to male owners of cell phones between a certain age,, this kind of thing.....


This could well explain VICPOL's bold claims, that Mrs Murphy was murdered at a particular time at a particular place by a particular person..
Don't forget "allegedly"!
 
Yes, it was known early on that the police would look at whose phones were in the same area as Sam's phone when she disappeared.
From that info, the police would have looked into those numbers in more detail. imo

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Who else was in bushland when Samantha Murphy disappeared?
Probably, his phone and car were still registered at his home address, where his parents lived, at Mt Clear, even though he was residing at Scotsburn, that being a temporary residence, the girlfriend house sitting there for a friend until the property was sold, him moving in there with her. Unlikely he would have changed his residential address under those circs... ( one has to traipse off to Vic Roads, wait in the queue, show evidence of change of address , like an electricity bill, pay the money, wait for the new licence to be posted, by this time he might have had to move back to mum and dad's )

So he would have been checked out as a definitive local first up, one would think... him being on police file for the previous incident....... the one where Tamanika refers him upwards to a barrister...
 
allegedly what? manner of death? time? place? person? either? all?
Person. Alleged murderer. It reads a bit like the accused has been found guilty, but that could just be me. I'd hate for us to get shut down by not following the rules.

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"VICPOL might well have checked everyone's phone records in Mr Clear, Scotsburn, Bunyinyong, on the grounds that it was most likely a local, and they were right."
 
Person. Alleged murderer. It reads a bit like the accused has been found guilty, but that could just be me. I'd hate for us to get shut down by not following the rules.

Your last post:
"VICPOL might well have checked everyone's phone records in Mr Clear, Scotsburn, Bunyinyong, on the grounds that it was most likely a local, and they were right."

To be fair, I feel the post is referring to the "arrested person" ... the suspect. And PS is definitely the suspect.


"It is entirely possible that the police accessed his phone records before they arrested him. It does not take an arrest to access someone's phone records... VICPOL might well have checked everyone's phone records in Mr Clear, Scotsburn, Bunyinyong, on the grounds that it was most likely a local, and they were right.
 
Few questions for anyone here.
Guesses on where all this cctv footage may be coming from?
Was his vehicle actually damaged after the media releases looking for a damaged vehicle?
Did he get his damaged car fixed or professionally cleaned somewhere?
What do you believe happened between the alleged altercation and the 5pm ping?
Do you speculate that more than 1 party is involved at some time or another?
 
Person. Alleged murderer. It reads a bit like the accused has been found guilty, but that could just be me. I'd hate for us to get shut down by not following the rules.

Your last post:
"VICPOL might well have checked everyone's phone records in Mr Clear, Scotsburn, Bunyinyong, on the grounds that it was most likely a local, and they were right."
Vicpol made this claim. Allegedly Trooper was merely referring to what they had said.
 
Few questions for anyone here.
Guesses on where all this cctv footage may be coming from?
Was his vehicle actually damaged after the media releases looking for a damaged vehicle?
Did he get his damaged car fixed or professionally cleaned somewhere?
What do you believe happened between the alleged altercation and the 5pm ping?
Do you speculate that more than 1 party is involved at some time or another?
1) Guesses on where all this cctv footage may be coming from?
Footage of the actual alleged murder: I'm guessing footage from Samantha's phone or hidden bush cameras. I don't think the accused was stupid enough to film the attack, nor do I think he was with anyone else who might have. I could be mistaken, because young people these days do stupid things for likes and fame, so..... If we're talking about footage after the attack, from around the area, then I imagine it would come from private homes, businesses, roadways, schools etc. Just because there's an "unprecedented" amount of CCTV footage, it does not mean it shows the accused. It might be to prove he didn't go somewhere, or that he was captured later that day in other locations, alone or with family/friends perhaps, to set up a time line of what occurred the entire day, or days afterwards, or even the earlier hours of that morning.

2) Was his vehicle actually damaged after the media releases looking for a damaged vehicle?
Not sure about this. Was it carefully worded by police because the car was in fact damaged? Or was it just a throwaway line? If it was in fact damaged, was it existing damage not inflicted that day? If there was damage caused during the attack, what caused this? Can you hit a person with your car enough to severely injure them, without there being blood or other evidence left behind? I'm assuming so. The damage may have been caused by fleeing, but as far as we know, there's been nothing found to indicate evidence at the scene that something untoward happened. Could it have been damaged in the days after, when he wasn't thinking straight?

3) Did he get his damaged car fixed or professionally cleaned somewhere?
If in fact his vehicle was damaged before, during or after, you'd have to know his state of mind as to whether he got it fixed, and where. I believe that line about a damaged car or property was spoken about 3 weeks after her disappearance. He was apparently on the radar of police by then, as I think he became a suspect about 2 weeks after, then the comment was made 3 weeks after, and he was arrested about 4 weeks after. He obviously didn't know he was being watched/recorded/whatever, but when that comment came up, it may have changed things in his mind. If he did have damage, that may have prompted action so as not to draw attention to his vehicle. It would have been stupid to get it fixed locally after that comment (though he may very well have done so) so I'd think he'd go further afield. Perhaps he had a panel beater or mechanic mate? Again, as far as cleaning the car goes, if he felt confident he'd never be found out then he may well have got it professionally cleaned locally. Perhaps he tried himself, just hoping to have it clean enough that family and friends didn't notice a smell or stains. He possibly never thought he'd be caught and wasn't concerned about DNA.

4) What do you believe happened between the alleged altercation and the 5pm ping?
I feel that after the 8am attack, the accused drove further afield and disposed of Samantha. Right afterwards, as keeping her close to the site of the attack was risky, as was keeping her in his vehicle, especially on such a hot day. In that scenario, he either kept her phone for whatever reason, forgot to dump it with her, or wanted to dispose of it away from her in case it could be traced back to its location. I'd really love to know the timeline of the accused's movements on that day, I guess I'll just have to hope it comes up at trial. If we knew he had commitments or expectations, then it would be easier to speculate. I would guess that after he disposed of her he went about his day. Perhaps creating "alibis" as such, being seen by people who would vouch for him. I can't really account for the 5pm ping. I know a lot has been said about what phones can and can't do when they're off, underwater, in metal boxes etc but I haven't really kept up. Perhaps right after the attack he turned it off and placed it in a metal toolbox in his ute that I believe would block it from emitting pings (I paid enough attention to know something like that has been mentioned) and then took it out around 5pm to dispose of. I personally think he disposed of it in the dam himself, probably around the time of that last ping. Maybe on his way to or from somewhere else, and not necessarily on the most direct route.

5) Do you speculate that more than 1 party is involved at some time or another?
I think he acted alone, and mostly kept it to himself. I feel he may have hinted at things, almost like he wanted to boast about it but knew better. Certain people may have had concerns or beliefs, or put two and two together. There may have been people that inadvertently helped along the way without necessarily knowing. I feel that if there was another party, then they would have been questioned and released/arrested by now, and it would have made the news.
 
I too wonder what the Application could be. I can’t work out what it means, as it reads to me that perhaps the VIC Police are the applicant?

The only thing I am finding about police applications in Magistrates Court are intervention orders.

I think you are right that he can only apply for bail in the Supreme Court. I didn't pay attention to what court he would be in. Sorry.
 
Easy to overlook, the pic I’ve posted of his court matters is so small. I had trouble finding proof that bail can’t be applied for in a Magistrate’s Court, but found this link.
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He can only apply for bail to the Supreme Court.. it is a murder charge, the chances of the court granting it are , from where I sit, utterly nil. Zero.

The committal mention is one more stage in the horse trading of information. What the defence wants, and what the prosecution has given them, it's possible his barristers want clarification, or further and better particulars.... it's possible the defence may ask for more time to get to grips with the preponderance of evidence the DPP clunked up on them... \

There may be arguments put to the court about witnesses... it is possible some witnesses may be hostile, or may need to be hauled into court with a warrant, and so on, all judicial housekeeping.

He still does not have to make a plea ..... he can, of course, but he does not have to.. at this point..
 
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