Sbtc

[coloradokares]

I just happen to have Presumed Guilty sitting here on my desk what is it you want to know from Singular's Book?

I'm glad to see someone still interested in the great JFK mystery, and I wonder if you saw "Manchurian Candidate" Saturday night. Don't know why that would be on Public TV in the Detroit area. The one with Angela Lansbury and I believe Frank Sinatra. I saw it many years ago so I didn't watch closely this time, but noticed a coincidence. This political subject was named Ray Shaw, and in one of the books about the assasination, there were some New Orleans characters mentioned, one named Clay Shaw. Couldn't mean anything, I'm sure.

If you're following all this stuff you're sure doing your homework. I forget in which thread that question came up, but just saw your hat again and was reminded.

Has anyone read Singular's book? I did way back and now someone at another forum says a lot was blacked out of the report on the Santa Bear, that I don't remember reading anything about, which disappeared from the crime scene. Patsy said in an interview she was pretty sure the pageant bear had been a white angel one. She couldn't seem to remember ever seeing the Santa Bear. Someone may have been wrong who said she called it "shabby"? If it's Karr's bear, that's probably place him in Boulder! Why would it disappear if not important, and why would info that's possibly about him be blacked out? Could he be a special agent of some kind, just acting nutty for the heck of it?

 

[narlacat]

I'm glad to see someone still interested in the great JFK mystery, and I wonder if you saw "Manchurian Candidate" Saturday night. Don't know why that would be on Public TV in the Detroit area. The one with Angela Lansbury and I believe Frank Sinatra. I saw it many years ago so I didn't watch closely this time, but noticed a coincidence. This political subject was named Ray Shaw, and in one of the books about the assasination, there were some New Orleans characters mentioned, one named Clay Shaw. Couldn't mean anything, I'm sure.

If you're following all this stuff you're sure doing your homework. I forget in which thread that question came up, but just saw your hat again and was reminded.

Has anyone read Singular's book? I did way back and now someone at another forum says a lot was blacked out of the report on the Santa Bear, that I don't remember reading anything about, which disappeared from the crime scene. Patsy said in an interview she was pretty sure the pageant bear had been a white angel one. She couldn't seem to remember ever seeing the Santa Bear. Someone may have been wrong who said she called it "shabby"? If it's Karr's bear, that's probably place him in Boulder! Why would it disappear if not important, and why would info that's possibly about him be blacked out? Could he be a special agent of some kind, just acting nutty for the heck of it?[/QUOTE]

Keep on keeping on, some things never change.

Why would anyone still think Karr was in Boulder at the time of JBR's death?
Yeah right, a special agent, what next

 

[calicocat]

Why did John Ramsey place a scarf in JonBenet's casket? I can understand the cat, tiara and bracelet, but what does a scarf have to do with anything? (I know that Patsy gave their male friends scarfs for Christmas.)

 

[jfk]

yes,i beleive one or the other parent most likely killed her,if they didn't then they know who did,(but i think that's a longshot at best).
they needed to divert attention away from the crime scene, as well as appear to not know where JB was.they may have been planning to remove her body from the house but weather,and or fear of being seen or caught stopped them.

having just finished Thomas' book, and read his theory about PR doing this on her own without John's knowledge (before the fact, anyway) i'm open to this possibility now. The pineapple convinces me as well as the note, if not moreso. The note is more easily explained away than the pineapple. Well, maybe...

 

[jfk]

I just happen to have Presumed Guilty sitting here on my desk what is it you want to know from Singular's Book?

Can't remember if i've read Presumed Guilty - don't think so. What's the premise and theory...? (i'm assuming this is a JFK related tome?) Is it any good?

Oh, never mind. That's the Ramsey's posture. I was through the first chapter and discovered Thomas' book. Guess i'll go finish PG now, if i can stomach it.

Why doesn't he just write one entitled "Ok, Here's What Happened" ...

 

[jfk]

A poster on FFJ asked us to look for the initials SBTC, like Karr 'supposedly' wrote in the yearbook, it was one of the Ramsey's clues that proved they didn't write the note, Karr did.

But alas John forgot his own book with a damning SBTC in it.

Just a reminder for John.

I'm sorry. do WHAT? i didn't understand a single syllable of that.

 

[jfk]

what are all the theories on SBTC? if PR did write the letter, she wouldn't have just made up some random acronym, would she?

the fact that John's bible was open to the Psalm whose four verses form the acronym CTBS on his desk, IF THAT'S A FACT, is most intriguing to me (as regards this topic).

although i have to admit, as lunatic as Karr is (lunacy runs from his eyes like snot), that 'Shall Be The Conqueror" in his yearbook, if not a hoax (i haven't missed something, have i?) is awfully ODD.

 

[LinasK]

although i have to admit, as lunatic as Karr is (lunacy runs from his eyes like snot), that 'Shall Be The Conqueror" in his yearbook, if not a hoax (i haven't missed something, have i?) is awfully ODD.

Nah, it's pure coincidence, it actually said:"I Shall Be The Conqueror".

It's also been speculated that S.B.T.C. means Star Base Technical Command- John was a Trekkie, or Subic Bay Training Center. There are many alternatives for S.B.T.C. and we have many threads on it in the archives...

 

[jfk]

Nah, it's pure coincidence, it actually said:"I Shall Be The Conqueror".

It's also been speculated that S.B.T.C. means Star Base Technical Command- John was a Trekkie, or Subic Bay Training Center. There are many alternatives for S.B.T.C. and we have many threads on it in the archives...

i forgot about that. I was at Subic Bay for six weeks. Star Base is a little "creative" from someone who should not be allowed to think on their own.

even if it IS "I Shall Be TC..." it's still quite a coincidence, all things considered. even if it's JUST a coincidence... i'd like to hear the odds - same person, YEARS AND MILES APART, connected to both otherwise completely unconnected events. wow...

yeah, i still am behind the Ramsey's guilt. the three factors that do it for me are the pineapple (and the lies), her wearing the same clothes (an the lies) and the note (the lie is a given about the note. to confess to the note is to confess to all of it. the lies about the clothing and the pineapple make no sense if they're not guilty).

 

[coloradokares]

It has more to do with the pedophile or sexual abuse aspects. EWWWWWW

Can't remember if i've read Presumed Guilty - don't think so. What's the premise and theory...? (i'm assuming this is a JFK related tome?) Is it any good?

Oh, never mind. That's the Ramsey's posture. I was through the first chapter and discovered Thomas' book. Guess i'll go finish PG now, if i can stomach it.

Why doesn't he just write one entitled "Ok, Here's What Happened" ...

 

[jfk]

yes, i remembered (better remembered) after i posted. i did read the first chapt. of it a few months ago. didn't get to where he was taking me, but it seems to be catching on as a theory...

many people stating that the evidence points to the R's guilt, when it seems to me that the evidence points to the R's knowledge more clearly than actual guilt. in other words, it's pretty obvious they KNOW something, and it's still POSSIBLE that there was someone else in on it. of course, it's MORE possible that the R's did it, but there's still room for this Child theory. there's even still room for a lot of things, and there's obviously MUCH LESS room for an "intruder", meaning someone there uninvited.

It has more to do with the pedophile or sexual abuse aspects. EWWWWWW

 

[coloradokares]

Its past time to sort it out that is what is sure. I lean towards the evidence suggesting the Ramseys are under that old Parasol of Persecution for some very compelling reasons. If they are innocent they had adequate time to prove that. Had they truly cooperated from the very beginning making themselves available this would have been over and resolved long ago. Now we must seek diligently for the Governor of my state, Colorado to appoint an Office of Special Prosecutor. Time for guilt laden confessions on the part of the Ramseys or anyone else have passed. It is our responsibility to arrest, bring to trial and convict who killed JonBenet. The evidence is there. If one would remove all politics and legal evading of the issues. If our DA's would not be insistent on airtight or confession we'd of resolved this long ago. Let take it to trial and let the jury decide.

yes, i remembered (better remembered) after i posted. i did read the first chapt. of it a few months ago. didn't get to where he was taking me, but it seems to be catching on as a theory...

many people stating that the evidence points to the R's guilt, when it seems to me that the evidence points to the R's knowledge more clearly than actual guilt. in other words, it's pretty obvious they KNOW something, and it's still POSSIBLE that there was someone else in on it. of course, it's MORE possible that the R's did it, but there's still room for this Child theory. there's even still room for a lot of things, and there's obviously MUCH LESS room for an "intruder", meaning someone there uninvited.

 

[JMO8778]

yes, i remembered (better remembered) after i posted. i did read the first chapt. of it a few months ago. didn't get to where he was taking me, but it seems to be catching on as a theory...

many people stating that the evidence points to the R's guilt, when it seems to me that the evidence points to the R's knowledge more clearly than actual guilt. in other words, it's pretty obvious they KNOW something, and it's still POSSIBLE that there was someone else in on it. of course, it's MORE possible that the R's did it, but there's still room for this Child theory. there's even still room for a lot of things, and there's obviously MUCH LESS room for an "intruder", meaning someone there uninvited.

I discount intruder,but if there was another or others involved,it seems to more likely be someone they let in themselves.I find it odd the neighbor saw someone that looked like JAR walking up to the house that day.Whether it was him or not,it was someone.

 

[Show Me]

I'm sorry. do WHAT? i didn't understand a single syllable of that.

Sorry...a poster on another forum asked if we could find the initials SBTC in some other sentences...at the time people were saying Karr killed JonBenet and part of the proof was his use of the initials SBTC.

I looked in Death of Innocence (the book John and Patsy wrote) and found a sentence from John which used the initials SBTC.

 

[Show Me]

Its past time to sort it out that is what is sure. I lean towards the evidence suggesting the Ramseys are under that old Parasol of Persecution for some very compelling reasons. If they are innocent they had adequate time to prove that. Had they truly cooperated from the very beginning making themselves available this would have been over and resolved long ago. Now we must seek diligently for the Governor of my state, Colorado to appoint an Office of Special Prosecutor. Time for guilt laden confessions on the part of the Ramseys or anyone else have passed. It is our responsibility to arrest, bring to trial and convict who killed JonBenet. The evidence is there. If one would remove all politics and legal evading of the issues. If our DA's would not be insistent on airtight or confession we'd of resolved this long ago. Let take it to trial and let the jury decide.

I liked to see that happen coloradokares, but I just don't think anyone in authority in Colorado cares....especially the Governor. All he does is rant and rave and then gently reprimand the Boulder DA's office.

 

[JMO8778]

Why did John Ramsey place a scarf in JonBenet's casket? I can understand the cat, tiara and bracelet, but what does a scarf have to do with anything? (I know that Patsy gave their male friends scarfs for Christmas.)

I don't think it's truly known,unless he was just looking for something that started with an S,to represent sbtc inside the casket.

 

[coloradokares]

John had received a scarf as one of the last gifts he had gotten from his daughter Beth just before her death in the fatal car accident. It became a treasure to him. It was Red and Black. For Christmas in96 the Ramseys gave out red scarves as gifts. I am not sure it was Patsy that was behind that. Or John or simply both. However the significance of a scarf a red silk one to be placed into the casket with JonBenet seems stange. However I don't want to put more strange significance to that than belongs. It may just be that is one of those things only John Ramsey knows.

I don't think it's truly known,unless he was just looking for something that started with an S,to represent sbtc inside the casket.

 

[BBB167893]

Its past time to sort it out that is what is sure. I lean towards the evidence suggesting the Ramseys are under that old Parasol of Persecution for some very compelling reasons. If they are innocent they had adequate time to prove that. Had they truly cooperated from the very beginning making themselves available this would have been over and resolved long ago.

No kidding! I love that bit about how the Ramseys were persecuted. Please! They had MAP-Mutually Assured Protection. The DA's office was in sync with Hal Haddon's office. Mutually Assured Protection!

Now we must seek diligently for the Governor of my state, Colorado to appoint an Office of Special Prosecutor. Time for guilt laden confessions on the part of the Ramseys or anyone else have passed. It is our responsibility to arrest, bring to trial and convict who killed JonBenet. The evidence is there. If one would remove all politics and legal evading of the issues. If our DA's would not be insistent on airtight or confession we'd of resolved this long ago.

You just nailed it.

Let take it to trial and let the jury decide.

John would be lucky if the jury didn't hang him right there in the courtroom.

 

[kaykay]

The whole ransom note/letter was a lie, Patsy made the whole thing up.

I wonder why she would even think she needed to sign the note?
How often are ransom notes signed?

I think SBTC was just more of PR's dramatics.

kaykay :twocents:

Just my opinion

 

[rashomon]

The whole ransom note/letter was a lie, Patsy made the whole thing up.

I wonder why she would even think she needed to sign the note?
How often are ransom notes signed?

I think SBTC was just more of PR's dramatics.

kaykay :twocents:

Just my opinion

I too think STBC was just another of Patsy's dramatics consistent with her habit of writing acronyms.
Countless interpretations of 'SBTC' have been posted on the internet, the gamut ranging from the sarcastic 'South Boulder Tennis Club', to 'Saved By The Cross' pointing to Patsy's Christian faith.

Jmpo, but I don't believe 'SBTC' actually meant anything specific.
Quite the contrary - I think that Patsy deliberately put a totally senseless succession of letters in the ransom note to create a red herring: investigators should rack their brains and waste their time trying to find out a possible meaning which didn't exist.