SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class - #2

[DexterMorgan]

Did I say they were telling fibs? I said there was likely more to the story if the teacher was upset enough to call HIS BOSS into the classroom. I worked in a high school. The admins do not like to get those calls and they frown on it. They expect the teachers to handle their students.

So if this was a quiet pleasant , apologetic student, the teacher would not have called the VP in.

Remember the P.A system schools use to have. So and so please come to the principal's office. Lol

We use to be like. Oh oh you're in twubble. Lol

The good ole days. Btw. Much obliged Katydid23 for your efforts in helping with the school system.

 

[katydid23]

I'm sympathetic due to the actions of the officer. I can identify with her because I understand standing up for what you THINK is right.
It's a shame you feel that way about youths.
I have a background in working with troubled youths and I can't say as I ever felt those feeling about them.
IMO

Did I say that I felt that way about YOUTHS? No, I said SOME teens. Like more specifically the ones that tried to gang rape a middle school girl in the bathroom. Or the ones that spit on a disabled student and stole his lunch money. like I said, spoiled, selfish, bullies.

Or the ones that shoved a 70 yr old music teacher into the wall and stole her wallet after school.

 

[kimlynn]

Did I say they were telling fibs? I said there was likely more to the story if the teacher was upset enough to call HIS BOSS into the classroom. I worked in a high school. The admins do not like to get those calls and they frown on it. They expect the teachers to handle their students.

So if this was a quiet pleasant , apologetic student, the teacher would not have called the VP in.

Maybe he was bored and in the mood for some drama...kidding. We have no idea.

 

[katydid23]

Maybe he was bored and in the mood for some drama...kidding. We have no idea.

Well, I think we do have some idea. What are the possible reasons that a teacher calls the office for help with a student?

 

[Hope4More]

I don't know katydid. I wasn't there to see and hear all the back and forth between the parties. Just trying to view it from her perspective.
The maybe she was is in regard to how the teacher handled it. Maybe it could have been handled differently and in that sense she was wronged. IMO

Maybe it could have been handled differently by the teacher maybe not, but the teacher not handling it differently doesn't mean the student was "wronged" by the teacher, or the VP, or until he used force, the cop.

The teacher and VP and every other kid in the class was wronged by a single student who didn't follow the rules and who by choice refused every opportunity presented her to deescalate.

 

[bluesneakers]

Well, I think we do have some idea. What are the possible reasons that a teacher calls the office for help with a student?

The teacher took it personally and overreacted after a student dared to "disrespect" him.

 

[Nova]

We've been over and over this. The teacher could have simply said "We'll discuss this after class" or given her a note. Then ignored her and gone on doing what he's paid to do - teaching kids algebra. After class he could talk to her about her behavior, hand out some kind of punishment, send her to the principal, whatever. It's very simple and teachers do this every single day without having to call in the hired guns.

Teachers, like anyone who deals with teens, need to know when to pick their battles. He picked the wrong battle and made a terrible decision.

I know we've been over this, but I don't agree that teachers should be handing notes to students during class (unless it's to say "Your mother has been rushed to the hospital. Please report to the office and call your father" or some other personal emergency).

Passing the student a note in this case would be a classic case of "do as I say, not as I do" and will almost certainly come back to haunt the teacher the next time a student decides to pass his neighbor a note.

I've already agreed, however, that telling the student they will deal with the issue after class maintains the teacher's authority without needing to escalate the situation.

 

[kimlynn]

Well, I think we do have some idea. What are the possible reasons that a teacher calls the office for help with a student?

Because he was ill equipped. IMO

 

[bluesneakers]

I know we've been over this, but I don't agree that teachers should be handing notes to students during class (unless it's to say "Your mother has been rushed to the hospital. Please report to the office and call your father" or some other personal emergency).

Passing the student a note in this case would be a classic case of "do as I say, not as I do" and will almost certainly come back to haunt the teacher the next time a student decides to pass his neighbor a note.

I've already agreed, however, that telling the student they will deal with the issue after class maintains the teacher's authority without needing to escalate the situation.

A few teachers posted in the thread offering it as a suggestion or as an example as what they would have done.

 

[Montjoy]

You disagree as in you think her behavior was unacceptable?

No, I disagree with you if you think the student is the one person who has not been the subject of condemnation from anyone.

 

[Hope4More]

According to the two students that spoke to the media she was quiet in class and during the incident was apologetic. I haven't heard otherwise from any other students or staff.

Read accounts again. She was NOT apologetic in the slightest until Fields arrived, and what is meant as apologetic then was her saying she hadn't done anything wrong.

If you think about it for more than a nanosecond, it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense that she would be apologizing and defying authority at the same time.

 

[Nova]

She could have done a lot of things. So could the teacher.
But we can only deal with what actually happened.

You keep posting that notion, but any discussion of almost any event is going to include suggestions for alternative conduct. The fact that almost all of us agree that body slamming a student is wrong implies we think the RO should have done something else.

 

[KaaBoom]

I've read some posts today that mention beatings and choking. I watched the videos on this incident and I didn't see any beatings or choking being done.

JMO

What you mean is you don’t want to see it.

 

[Montjoy]

This student was not physically assaulted as a punishment either.

No, she was assaulted in an abuse of power, an act of police brutality.

 

[katydid23]

The teacher took it personally and overreacted after a student dared to "disrespect" him.

That is a possibility. But if the teacher was the type to overreact then the VP would probably not have headed right over, nor called in a Deputy. If it was an overreaction then the VP would have been able to sort it out, imo.

 

[katydid23]

No, she was assaulted in an abuse of power, an act of police brutality.

I don't think it was an abuse of power to force her to leave the classroom. It did not go well and ended up with too much force being needed to do the job. that was a mistake and he paid for it.

 

[kimlynn]

Read accounts again. She was NOT apologetic in the slightest until Fields arrived, and what is meant as apologetic then was her saying she hadn't done anything wrong.

If you think about it for more than a nanosecond, it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense that she would be apologizing and defying authority at the same time.

I seem to recall this same conversation from earlier today. I posted a link in the last thread. It was (according to the male student) the administrator she was apologetic with and saying she did nothing wrong.
And yes you can be apologetic and still hold firm. IMO

 

[DexterMorgan]

What you mean is you don’t want to see it.

Boom. There it is.

 

[katydid23]

Because he was ill equipped. IMO

Possibly. But I think he was an experienced teacher. Surely this was not the first defiant student ha has ever dealt with. What was so different in this situation that he was ill equipped to deal with her?

 

[katydid23]

I seem to recall this same conversation from earlier today. I posted a link in the last thread. It was (according to the male student) the administrator she was apologetic with and saying she did nothing wrong.
And yes you can be apologetic and still hold firm. IMO

If the Vice Principal asks you to come to the office to discuss it, you cannot 'apologize' and say ' I didn't do anything wrong, so I am not leaving..." That<<< is not an 'apology.'