SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class - #2

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  • #381
I don't a thing about you or suggest that I do. I know all about what it is to be in the military, as my DH served in the Army for 20 years.

You're clearly talking about me here:

But you most certainly wouldn't have been passed a note to save you embarassment either, nor been allowed to protest- hey, I didn't do anything wrong. <- Nope. Even though you seem to think this wouldn't have happened, I was passed notes while taking tests or while working, and I often protested "Hey, I didn't do anything wrong."

The only correct answer? Yes SIR. <- Nope.
 
  • #382
It's what I see.

And this is why investigators can't depend on eyewitness accounts. Forget memory, they can't even agree on the same video.

Sometimes I think people enjoy being obtuse.
 
  • #383
Do you have some source to suggest that she said that? If not, why are you even raising it as a possibility? Why start with distrust and hurtful assumptions (even in hypotheticals)?

Those are the two statements that have been attributed to her. 1, that she was apologetic and 2. that she refused to leave her desk because she didnt do anything wrong. So if you put those two together that is what you get, " Sorry but I am not leaving because I didnt do anything..."
 
  • #384
And likewise, the SRO didn't beat her up, didn't choke her, or Tase her, or shoot her, or punch her. All he did was remove her from her desk when she refused to comply with a lawful and perfectly reasonable order.

Total misrepresentation of the facts.
 
  • #385
I'm sympathetic due to the actions of the officer. I can identify with her because I understand standing up for what you THINK is right.
It's a shame you feel that way about youths.
I have a background in working with troubled youths and I can't say as I ever felt those feeling about them.
IMO

I can't identify a single thing about this event that would lead me to conclude that this girl was "standing up for what thought was right." I see a disruptive student who disrupted the class, defied the teacher, defied the assistant principal, and then defied the SRO.

It's not as if she was asked or ordered to do something immoral or unethical, or even questionable. She wasn't standing up for anything. That was the problem, in fact. She refused to stand up and then leave using her own two feet, which she could have done at any point prior to being removed. She was given plenty of opportunity.
 
  • #386
And this is why investigators can't depend on eyewitness accounts. Forget memory, they can't even agree on the same video.

Sometimes I think people enjoy being obtuse.

I'm not sure why other members claim they see the student being choked. They are allowed to post about what they see just as I am.

I hope no one posting is being obtuse. I know I'm not.

JMO
 
  • #387
was she texting?


Police said the unidentified female student became disruptive in class and was texting on her phone. The teacher asked her to leave and she refused so Fields was called in. A cell phone video taken by another student showed the officer standing before the girl, commanding her to stand and her refusing. Fields was then seen flipping the girl over in her chair and dragging her across the room.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/south-carolina-students-protest-support-officer-ben-fields
 
  • #388
  • #389
I'm saying I don't see anyone being choked or beaten. JMO
The video is shown in post 271 sorry, but I am unable to link it. It is really good as it shows it shows over and over again that she was not choked but his hand slips. IMO.
The still picture is very misleading.
 
  • #390
I'm not sure why other members claim they see the student being choked. They are allowed to post about what they see just as I am.

I hope no one posting is being obtuse. I know I'm not.

JMO

I don't see her being choked either. His hand is below her throat, at the bottom of the neck, top of her chest.
 
  • #391
My granny was a teacher in the nyc ps board of ed system from the 60s to 90s. Lol. She use to bring home the just say no drug kits that consisted of fake samples of all the drugs on the market. Plus she had those drug videos/cartoons that they would show to the kids in the auditorium. Lol.

My granny was always tired at the end of the day. But boy. She loved her job and she loved education even more.

They don't make too many teachers from that type of cloth any more. Jmo.
 
  • #392
My granny was a teacher in the nyc ps board of ed system from the 60s to 90s. Lol. She use to bring home the just say no drug kits that consisted of fake samples of all the drugs on the market. Plus she had those drug videos/cartoons that they would show to the kids in the auditorium. Lol.

My granny was always tired at the end of the day. But boy. She loved her job and she loved education even more.

They don't make too many teachers from that type of cloth any more. Jmo.

They've always been rare.

But hey, I know we've had comments from some WS teachers who are cut from the same cloth. IMO anyway. ;)
 
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I don't see her being choked either. His hand is below her throat, at the bottom of the neck, top of her chest.

That's exactly what I see.

Thanks
 
  • #395
I can't lie. Ignorance is unacceptable in today's world. But brute force when not warranted is unacceptable as well. Hugs.
 
  • #396
My granny was a teacher in the nyc ps board of ed system from the 60s to 90s. Lol. She use to bring home the just say no drug kits that consisted of fake samples of all the drugs on the market. Plus she had those drug videos/cartoons that they would show to the kids in the auditorium. Lol.

My granny was always tired at the end of the day. But boy. She loved her job and she loved education even more.

They don't make too many teachers from that type of cloth any more. Jmo.


Oh my. Teachers don't choose their profession because it pays well, has prestige, or has any chance for promotion. The vast majority of teachers enter the field because they love working with kids and consider contributing to their development both a privilege and a wonderful opportunity.

Sadly for all too many, what they're forced to deal with are administrators who don't support them, colleagues who are burnt out, invisible parents, having to teach to the test which leaves no room for creative teaching, and kids who more often than not aren't prepared to learn, and whose efforts to learn aren't supported anywhere else but in the classroom.

Please to not blame teachers for what they cannot control.
 
  • #397
Oh my. Teachers don't choose their profession because it pays well, has prestige, or has any chance for promotion. The vast majority of teachers enter the field because they love working with kids and consider contributing to their development both a privilege and a wonderful opportunity.

Sadly for all too many, what they're forced to deal with are administrators who don't support them, colleagues who are burnt out, invisible parents, having to teach to the test which leaves no room for creative teaching, and kids who more often than not aren't prepared to learn, and whose efforts to learn aren't supported anywhere else but in the classroom.

Please to not blame teachers for what they cannot control.

Lol. You're preaching to the choir. Me and granny had those conversations for years. Lol. Much love.
 
  • #398
I'm curious about what you say. Most kids are a little bit rebellious. But would you have carried on a disrespectful conversation with your teacher for awhile, bluntly refusing his request (to put the phone away or surrender the phone, I don't know what it was). And then go on to refuse the request of the VP, and then refuse the requests of a police officer in uniform? I really think very few kids would do that.

I just read "Couldn't keep it to ourselves", a book written by women in prison, and compiled by Wally Lamb. Many of these women were like this. They would refuse to comply with legitimate authority when everyone else would, and one would refuse even to slightly accommodate her father, who would beat her bloody regularly. For minor things. He'd tell her to pick up that plate, or whatever, and she'd flatly refuse and she'd end up bruised and bloody.

I don't get that mentality. I really don't. Her father was a nut, and extremely abusive, but what's wrong with her that she won't do a simple thing, like her siblings all did, to avoid getting beaten? She ended up in prison, and her siblings didn't. She was missing something, somewhere that would give her enough survival instinct to get to get out of physical injury.

And that's where I see this girl. I don't think she's one of those kids whose "high spiritedness" gets them in a little trouble here and there. I think she's missing a basic instinct to avoid punishment if possible.

Psychologist B.F. Skinner proved decades ago that a child will choose negative reinforcement (i.e., punishment, even abuse) if the alternative is no attention at all.

Which may or may not tell us everything we need to understand about the student's behavior in this case. I am NOT saying a high school math teacher had time to figure this out.
 
  • #399
Lol. You're preaching to the choir. Me and granny had those conversations for years. Lol. Much love.


Glad to share at least one page of the hymnal with you.:confetti:
 
  • #400
I can't lie. Ignorance is unacceptable in today's world. But brute force when not warranted is unacceptable as well. Hugs.

I feel that the officer was put in a bad situation, JMO. His BOSSES asked him to remove this student from the room. If she is going to cling to the chair, then what? Say no to his boss or try to remove her?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/29/us/south-carolina-deputy-ben-fields-fired.html?_r=0


&#8220;He&#8217;s sorry that this whole thing occurred,&#8221; said Sheriff Lott, who said he had spoken to Deputy Fields. &#8220;It was not his intent. His intent was not to do anything that brought discredit on this Sheriff&#8217;s Department or him or that school. He tried to do his job, and that&#8217;s what he feels like he did. He tried to do his job, and it happened very quickly.&#8221;

The sheriff said that Spring Valley officials who witnessed the episode had supported Deputy Fields. Still, he described the decision to fire the deputy as one that &#8220;was very evident.&#8221;
 
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