SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class - #2

[kimlynn]

Again and again. She did break the rule about phones. Whether it was one peek or 5 minutes of peeking is completely irrelevant, though I very much doubt it was a second's worth of peeking, because in real life a teacher likely wouldn't have been able to catch her if that was all she did. The teacher was.....teaching, had other things to do than to lay in wait and pounce on phone abusers.

The looking at phone was minor, regardless. Defying the teacher was not. Why is that difficult to grasp? Defying the teacher after being written up was not only out of line but in the real world- alarming. That is NOT typical behavior, and every defiance after that was not only atypical but genuine cause for concern.

I don't think this counts as alarming behaviour. Kids defy authority figures. It's part of growing up unless you live in a charmed world....it happens, and rarely as a result do they get thrown across the room by LE because of it. IMO

 

[bluesneakers]

I'm not sure if I can say this as a fact because it's via twitter, but there is talk of a walkout on Monday in support of the student who was assaulted. If this is true it will be interesting to see how that's handled and if these kids get the same respect, space, and leniency the group who walked out yesterday were allowed.

There is also a demonstration at the Statehouse on the same day. That one is official.

JMO.

 

[kimlynn]

A DEPUTY asks her five times to get up from her seat and leave the classroom and she denies his request. That is obstinate and disruptive defiance. And what was the point of that defiant behavior? It was a silly waste of time and energy. And selfish, imo.

If it were me I would also question why taking my phone out for a second (and we haven't heard otherwise from any accounting) was just cause for taking my phone when another option would be to inform me to put my phone away and pay attention in class.
It isn't a crime...or at least it wasn't until it was made so by teacher and administrator.

 

[kimlynn]

What school could she have possibly attended where she didn't have to follow instructions from the teachers and administration?

None, but it could be that the rules were more lax regarding phones. She was new to this school. How new we don't know as of yet.

 

[katydid23]

So you're only counting two? Okay whatever works for you.

I have only seen two court cases. Do you know of any others?

 

[kimlynn]

I have only seen two court cases. Do you know of any others?

I think a reasonable person could determine that there have been enough complaints regarding this officer and consider it an issue that needs to be addressed.IMO

 

[katydid23]

If it were me I would also question why taking my phone out for a second (and we haven't heard otherwise from any accounting) was just cause for taking my phone when another option would be to inform me to put my phone away and pay attention in class.
It isn't a crime...or at least it wasn't until it was made so by teacher and administrator.

All she had to do was allow the teacher to keep her phone on his desk until class was over. She couldn't part with it for another 45 minutes or so?

Teachers take the phones because they do not have time to ask a dozen students, each time, to please put their phones away. Most teachers say " If I see your phone, its mine until the bell rings.' That is a common practice and all the students know it.

You do know that students cheat on tests and assignments by storing the answers on their smartphones, right?

 

[katydid23]

I think a reasonable person could determine that there have been enough complaints regarding this officer and consider it an issue that needs to be addressed.IMO

Just because someone complains that does not mean it is accurate.

 

[katydid23]

None, but it could be that the rules were more lax regarding phones. She was new to this school. How new we don't know as of yet.

The issue was not the phone. The issue was that the teacher and then the vice principal asked her to leave the room and go to the office. Surely even a 'new student' knew how to do that.

 

[JeannaT]

What school could she have possibly attended where she didn't have to follow instructions from the teachers and administration?

There are some schools where teachers don't bother making requests of students, because it will turn into a public show of defiance that a teacher can't risk. I know with Katrina evacuees that came to our high school, they were AMAZED at the level of compliance and peaceful hallways here. A teacher tells you put away your phone, you just do it. End of event. But yes, there are schools where teachers just let kids basically do whatever they want because that's all they can do with the tools for behavior correction they have.

 

[katydid23]

I'm not sure if I can say this as a fact because it's via twitter, but there is talk of a walkout on Monday in support of the student who was assaulted. If this is true it will be interesting to see how that's handled and if these kids get the same respect, space, and leniency the group who walked out yesterday were allowed.

There is also a demonstration at the Statehouse on the same day. That one is official.

JMO.

If they only walk out to the atrium for 10 minutes, and then return peacefully to class, then I bet it will go smoothly. Somehow I doubt it will go that way though.

 

[kimlynn]

Just because someone complains that does not mean it is accurate.

Of course not. They were picking on him out of all the officers on the force.
IMO

 

[bluesneakers]

I think a reasonable person could determine that there have been enough complaints regarding this officer and consider it an issue that needs to be addressed.IMO

He seemed self-assured when he went after this student. I can't imagine he'd feel so confident if he wasn't doing something he'd done before. Maybe not this extreme, but he looked comfortable. I wonder how much more will come out in the investigation.

 

[kimlynn]

The issue was not the phone. The issue was that the teacher and then the vice principal asked her to leave the room and go to the office. Surely even a 'new student' knew how to do that.

The issue was that in her mind she hadn't done anything wrong. According to one witness (student) she was apologetic and said she wasn't in the wrong.
Have we heard from the teacher or administrator yet to dispute or tell their side of the events?

 

[Sonya610]

If it were me I would also question why taking my phone out for a second (and we haven't heard otherwise from any accounting) was just cause for taking my phone when another option would be to inform me to put my phone away and pay attention in class.
It isn't a crime...or at least it wasn't until it was made so by teacher and administrator.

The crime was refusing to leave when the teacher, then the principal, and then a police officer told her too.

Pretty simple concept.

 

[kimlynn]

All she had to do was allow the teacher to keep her phone on his desk until class was over. She couldn't part with it for another 45 minutes or so?

Teachers take the phones because they do not have time to ask a dozen students, each time, to please put their phones away. Most teachers say " If I see your phone, its mine until the bell rings.' That is a common practice and all the students know it.

You do know that students cheat on tests and assignments by storing the answers on their smartphones, right?

All the teacher had to do or say was please put your phone away until class is over. Instead he made an issue of it by asking her to give up her phone.
Another option would have been to see her after class.

 

[Hope4More]

Sometimes an angry kid is just an angry kid. Lots of reasons to be angry as a kid, and a lot of those reasons aren't pretty.

The question is, what is a school supposed to do to accommodate an angry kid who has a right to an education and before a certain age, a legal obligation to be in school, at the same time meeting the obligation of teaching all the other kids?

I've seen this unfold. An angry violent 4th grader who physically attacked other kids, constantly. The school had a policy of kumbaya discipline, which meant the kid continued to attack other kids. Then he hit a teacher. At long last he was actually disciplined. Yep, 3 days of detention served in the principal's office at lunchtime.

Next he hit and kicked the art teacher, during class, while all the other terrified 4th graders watched. Another 3 day detention with the principal at lunch time.

During day 1 of the second detention the principal spoke with the lad and told him he needed to be able to control himself... what would be helpful? In response the kid jumped up - in front of an office full of witnesses- and full out attacked the principal. Punching,biting, kicking, screaming. Just like how he had attacked his classmates.

It took the principal being attacked himself for him to take the kid's anger seriously. He NEVER took seriously that the kid's rage had terrified every other kid in his class and that teachers were essentially put on notice that angry kids were allowed to assault them with virtual impunity.

Can't run a school that way.

 

[kimlynn]

The crime was refusing to leave when the teacher, then the principal, and then a police officer told her too.

Pretty simple.

My point was that it didn't need to come to that. As has been discussed,there were many other methods that would have been less stressful for all. And the end result wouldn't have been a fired officer and an injured student.

 

[Hope4More]

He seemed self-assured when he went after this student. I can't imagine he'd feel so confident if he wasn't doing something he'd done before. Maybe not this extreme, but he looked comfortable. I wonder how much more will come out in the investigation.

Good grief. He's a trained cop who had worked in the school for 7 years. Being comfortable in your job now indicates a proclivity for violence??

 

[bluesneakers]

The issue was that in her mind she hadn't done anything wrong. According to one witness (student) she was apologetic and said she wasn't in the wrong.
Have we heard from the teacher administrator yet to dispute or tell their side of the events?

Right? I put my phone away now let's get on with class. That should be exactly what the teacher wanted! There was no reason for him to suddenly take it up as a personal challenge and kick her out of his classroom. Let it go. Do your job and teach your students.