SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class - #2

[vestigare]

The rules according to the School Handbook that the protesting students violated as well as the punishment:
CUTTING CLASS -In school suspension
DISOBEDIENCE -Minimum 6 hours detention, may be suspended
DISRESPECT To Faculty or staff: -Minimum 1-5 days suspension,may be recommended for expulsion
DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR- Minimum 3 hours detention, may be suspended.
DRESS CODE VIOLATION Six hours detention
LEAVING CAMPUS WITHOUT PERMISSION Suspension
LEAVING CLASS WITHOUT PERMISSION6 hours detention
LOITERING Minimum of 6 hours detention
NO HALL PASS 3 hours detention
REFUSAL TO OBEY 1-3 days OSS

So which of these rules should have resulted in being thrown around by an RO?

 

[vestigare]

Several people keep asking, "what should a teacher do," or "what do you suggest a teacher do?" when the first thread contains several teachers who have offered suggestions on what would have been a better alternative and what a teacher should do. The thread also had suggestions from people who work directly with at risk teens and those who work areas of security and yet, I find it interesting that so many have just chosen to disregard those suggestions as if they never even read them.

Maybe you didn't read them....

 

[Hope4More]

To those who keep minimizing her role in what happened. Putting the teacher, the VP and the cop aside for a moment, please explain why you think her defiance was a trivial matter and that everyone BUT her is to blame or at fault.

I genuinely do not understand the eagerness to find her faultless.

 

[vestigare]

If you read through these threads, people have given dozens of solutions that the teacher could have used to handle the situation. In short, it would have been far less disruptive, for him to have just done nothing, and ignored her.

Do schools still give out conduct grades? When I was in school, something like this would have gotten me an “F” conduct grade, and my parents would have been called in for a conference with the teacher.

When I was in high school we didn't get conduct grades; that was more for elementary school but any sort of behavior like this girl displayed would have earned an hour or more talking to the guidance councilor. But as bluesneakers provided a link for there seems to not be an emphasis on school guidance councilors anymore because they would rather spend money on cops.

 

[kimlynn]

To those who keep minimizing her role in what happened. Putting the teacher, the VP and the cop aside for a moment, please explain why you think her defiance was a trivial matter and that everyone BUT her is to blame or at fault.

I genuinely do not understand the eagerness to find her faultless.

I don't think she was faultless but I do think the situation could have been defused before it got to the point of calling in an administrator and LE.
I also don't consider what she did was worthy of being thrown about and abused....it wasn't a huge deal in the scope of possible wrongdoing. IMO

 

[katydid23]

The issue was that in her mind she hadn't done anything wrong. According to one witness (student) she was apologetic and said she wasn't in the wrong.
Have we heard from the teacher or administrator yet to dispute or tell their side of the events?

The teacher and administrator were the ones who called for the Deputy to help them with the defiant student. So I imagine they had a problem with her behavior and demeanor.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think she was faultless but I do think the situation could have been defused before it got to the point of calling in an administrator and LE.
I also don't consider what she did was worthy of being thrown about and abused....it wasn't a huge deal in the scope of possible wrongdoing. IMO

One would think so. But apparently, this student was not budging.

 

[kimlynn]

The teacher and administrator were the ones who called for the Deputy to help them with the defiant student. So I imagine they had a problem with her behavior and demeanor.

True but do her feelings and impressions of the events not count because of her age?

 

[popsicle]

Not that hard to find.

http://www.wistv.com/story/30353999...violent-incident-at-spring-valley-high-school

The person who posted the Instagram video says the student was initially asked to leave the class for telling the teacher that she would not put away her phone. The poster says the teacher disciplined the student with a write-up for being disrespectful and disobedient. After being asked to leave again, and her refusing, an administrator came to remove her, she refused, and that is when the SRO was called in.

The poster of this video claims when Fields got to the classroom, he asked her to get up from her desk 4 or 5 times and again, she tells him no. After moving objects from around the student, and asking again to leave the classroom, and her refusing, that is where you see the officer getting physical.

If it were me I would also question why taking my phone out for a second (and we haven't heard otherwise from any accounting) was just cause for taking my phone when another option would be to inform me to put my phone away and pay attention in class.
It isn't a crime...or at least it wasn't until it was made so by teacher and administrator.

The article above says she refused to put her phone away.

 

[katydid23]

Several people keep asking, "what should a teacher do," or "what do you suggest a teacher do?" when the first thread contains several teachers who have offered suggestions on what would have been a better alternative and what a teacher should do. The thread also had suggestions from people who work directly with at risk teens and those who work areas of security and yet, I find it interesting that so many have just chosen to disregard those suggestions as if they never even read them.

Maybe you didn't read them....

the consensus seemed to be that the teacher should have removed all of the other students from the classroom and then come and negotiate with the problem student. I TOTALLY DISAGREE with that approach. It gives way too much power to the defiant student, and would possibly start a bad trend. And it punishes the others by making them leave class and miss the lesson.

 

[katydid23]

True but do her feelings and impressions of the events not count because of her age?

Her feelings and impressions have no bearing upon her breaking the rules and then not accepting the consequences and pushing things to the extreme. Who cares if her feelings were hurt or if she didn't think it was fair.

 

[vestigare]

We all need to remember this minor was NOT required to attend school past the age of 16, it was voluntary at her age!

If she didn't want to be in that class why in the heck was she there? IMO the laws need to be changed, if 16 year olds are considered mature enough to STOP attending school then they should either follow the rules or risk being banned from the public schools.

Code Section South Carolina Code of Laws 59-65-10, et seq.:
Attendance of Pupils Age at Which School Attendance is Required Between 5 and 17

Exceptions to Attendance Requirements Enrolled in private, parochial, or other approved program; child graduated; physical/mental disability; 8th grade completed and gainfully and lawfully employed; child has reached age 16 and determined to be disruptive to educational program and enters into gainful employment until 17

Home School Provisions Instruction given under auspices of South Carolina Association of Independent Home Schools and its requirements exempts home school from further requirements; otherwise, instruction must be approved; parent has at least a high school diploma or GED; include 180 days of instruction per year; curriculum includes reading, writing, math, science, social studies; composition and literature (in grades 7-12)

Penalties on Parents for Noncompliance Not more than $50 fine or prison up to 30 days; each absence is separate offense; court may suspend any conviction in its discretion

 

[Hope4More]

I don't think she was faultless but I do think the situation could have been defused before it got to the point of calling in an administrator and LE.
I also don't consider what she did was worthy of being thrown about and abused....it wasn't a huge deal in the scope of possible wrongdoing. IMO

We're leaving aside the cop for now. Before then. Has it occurred to you that she might have wanted a confrontation? As a new student,to demonstrate her cred ? She wasn't "apologetic" until the cop came, and even then saying I didn't do anything wrong is a whole new definition of being apologetic.

But before. The teacher did what he did, right or wrong. In comes the VP. Explain how defying the VP was OK?

 

[kimlynn]

The article above says she refused to put her phone away.

Interesting. Most media accounts say she was asked to give her phone to the teacher. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

 

[kimlynn]

Her feelings and impressions have no bearing upon her breaking the rules and then not accepting the consequences and pushing things to the extreme. Who cares if her feelings were hurt or if she didn't think it was fair.

I care. I think even children have the right to have their impressions and feelings taken into account.

 

[vestigare]

I'm not sure if I can say this as a fact because it's via twitter, but there is talk of a walkout on Monday in support of the student who was assaulted. If this is true it will be interesting to see how that's handled and if these kids get the same respect, space, and leniency the group who walked out yesterday were allowed.

There is also a demonstration at the Statehouse on the same day. That one is official.

JMO.

If this happens I am placing bets on what is said about those student on this thread.
The school admin will be smart to not treat them any differently than he did the ones who walked out in support of the RO. That would result in all sorts of lawsuits.

 

[bluesneakers]

We all need to remember this minor was NOT required to attend school past the age of 16, it was voluntary at her age!

If she didn't want to be in that class why in the heck was she there? IMO the laws need to be changed, if 16 year olds are considered mature enough to STOP attending school then they should either follow the rules or risk being banned from the public schools.

She wanted to be in the class. The whole problem came about because she didn't want to LEAVE.

 

[katydid23]

I care. I think even children have the right to have their impressions and feelings taken into account.

But not in the middle of class time, when the others need to learn the equations needed for graduation.

If she wanted to express her hurt feelings over being called out for looking at her phone, that's fine. But after class, not during other people's time.

 

[bluesneakers]

If this happens I am placing bets on what is said about those student on this thread.
The school admin will be smart to not treat them any differently than he did the ones who walked out in support of the RO. That would result in all sorts of lawsuits.

If this happens...
opcorn:

 

[katydid23]

She wanted to be in the class. The whole problem came about because she didn't want to LEAVE.

Well that's too bad. Once you deny a teacher's request and stop following the rules, you can be asked to leave.