SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class - #2

[al66pine]

Yes I could very easily have been this girl in my youth. Truth be told I'm still a bit on the stubborn side. I'm not sure if I could have taken it to the level of being tossed about by LE as in my case it never went that far.
I think it really just boils down (as I said) to being very stubborn.
I can tell you I have never been imprisoned or spent any time in jail,but I thought very little about speaking my mind to an authority figure IF I felt they were in the wrong. IMO

I too could have been a student speaking up like this one, definitely to a teacher one time, maybe twice in a row, but before time admn'r was summoned to classroom, I would have figured out I needed to take another tack.

Even among posters saying this teen was ___ {choose your own negative adjectives}, my SWAG is they might say the same about themselves as HS students, that they were mouthy, disrespectful, disruptive on occasion, but not to the extent of ignoring teacher, admin'r, and yet a third school authority.
(When I was in school, dinosaurs still roamed the earth, and nobody had dreamed up RSOs. LOL)

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I'm not sure why other members claim they see the student being choked. They are allowed to post about what they see just as I am.

I hope no one posting is being obtuse. I know I'm not.

JMO

In the still from the video I can't even see her throat because his hand is on it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

In the still from the video I can't even see her throat because his hand is on it.

I look at the same thing and see his hand being below her throat. JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Columbia, SC (WLTX) - Richland School District Two officials say two students involved in Monday's incident at Spring Valley High School have been allowed to return to school. Meanwhile, a substitute teacher is now in that classroom where the incident happened and an administrator in the school is on paid leave over the situation.

[snip]

Roof said while an independent investigation is conducted, a substitute teacher is in the math class. As for the administrator, she says that consistent with the district's standard procedures during investigations, the administrator is on paid leave.

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ETA: Forgot to add link.

http://www.wltx.com/story/news/loca...alley-incident-allowed-return-class/74942096/

 

[al66pine]

.... I think his moves + the room not being cleared + the video are what earned him his pink slip. JMO.

^sbm Does policy require SRO summoned to 'clear students' or classroom?

Seems SRO would usu ESCORT student elsewhere, rather than use force. Maybe not. Anyone?

Would clearing classroom usu be SAFER for other students? IDK.
If SRO has classroom CLEARED OF STUDENTS -
- AZZ-umes all other students would be immediately cooperative w request (= questionable, imo).
- arguably helps reduce risk of potential injury to other students (= good).
- if student resists, then forces SRO to pass crowd of students just outside classroom, exposes them to injury, as potentially resisting student could still be scuffling w SRO (= potentially bad).
- seems more disruptive to the class as a whole, more time consuming than moving one student (= less efficient).

 

[IzzyBlanche]

And likewise, the SRO didn't beat her up, didn't choke her, or Tase her, or shoot her, or punch her. All he did was remove her from her desk when she refused to comply with a lawful and perfectly reasonable order.

Then pick her up and toss her a few feet.

 

[katydid23]

So it's the old "I was under orders. I couldn't disobey or I would be punished"? I don't know how you can absolve the officer of responsibility. If he felt it was wrong, he shouldn't have done it. No excuses. No blaming it on the people around him.

I think that is a bit of a stretch from what I posted.

 

[katydid23]

I think removing the rest of the students from the class is a bad idea.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Did I say that I felt that way about YOUTHS? No, I said SOME teens. Like more specifically the ones that tried to gang rape a middle school girl in the bathroom. Or the ones that spit on a disabled student and stole his lunch money. like I said, spoiled, selfish, bullies.

Or the ones that shoved a 70 yr old music teacher into the wall and stole her wallet after school.

BBM for focus.

Actually you said MANY teens.

I saw many of the students as spoiled, entitled, selfish bullies.

"Some" and "many" aren't synonyms.

So I can see how the poster you are responding to might have interpreted "many" as "youth in general."

 

[IzzyBlanche]

^sbm
He is entitled to his own thoughts and to express his own thoughts.
Each student is entitled to own thoughts and to express them.

He cannot legitimately claim - he or other student speaks for "everyone else" a majority, not even a plurality.
No more than a single poster here could claim he speaks for "everyone else" on W/S or even a majority or a plurality. JM2cts.

Responding to the bold: of course you're right, he can't. But in my experience adolescents are super tuned in to the prevailing opinions among their cohort, so I am willing to take his word for it in the absence of statements to the contrary from that same cohort.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

They would refuse to comply with legitimate authority when everyone else would, and one would refuse even to slightly accommodate her father, who would beat her bloody regularly. For minor things. He'd tell her to pick up that plate, or whatever, and she'd flatly refuse and she'd end up bruised and bloody.

I don't get that mentality. I really don't. Her father was a nut, and extremely abusive, but what's wrong with her that she won't do a simple thing, like her siblings all did, to avoid getting beaten?

Maybe she understood that a father who would beat his children bruised and bloody for not picking up a plate was in no way a legitimate authority who deserved obedience.

Maybe she thought physical suffering was less painful to bear than allowing her spirit to be broken by injustice.

Good grief. If everyone just went along with whoever and whatever to avoid physical punishment, we'd still have slaves, and women wouldn't be allowed to vote. Just to name a couple of examples.

 

[katydid23]

BBM for focus.

Actually you said MANY teens.



"Some" and "many" aren't synonyms.

So I can see how the poster you are responding to might have interpreted "many" as "youth in general."

I do not want to be misquoted, so let's go back to what I originally said.You will notice that I first was speaking SPECIFICALLY about the disruptive teens, not the entire student body.


post #331:

A lot of you are talking about your perspectives from being rebellious teens. With that in mind, I can see why some see her as a sympathetic victim. I am looking at this from my years working in the principals office of a large urban high school. So I look back at my experiences with disruptive, defiant students and I feel sorry for the teachers/admins/officers, not the defiant student. I saw many of the students as spoiled, entitled, selfish bullies. JMO

 

[katydid23]

BBM for focus.

Actually you said MANY teens.



"Some" and "many" aren't synonyms.

So I can see how the poster you are responding to might have interpreted "many" as "youth in general."

I do not want to be misquoted, so let's go back to what I originally said.You will notice that I first was speaking SPECIFICALLY about the disruptive teens, not the entire student body.


post #331:

A lot of you are talking about your perspectives from being rebellious teens. With that in mind, I can see why some see her as a sympathetic victim. I am looking at this from my years working in the principals office of a large urban high school. So I look back at my experiences with disruptive, defiant students and I feel sorry for the teachers/admins/officers, not the defiant student. I saw many of the students as spoiled, entitled, selfish bullies. JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

You haven't followed the bouncing ball, then. A very small minority posting here believe the force used was justified. Most absolutely don't.

A slightly larger but very vocal minority insist the girl did little to nothing wrong.

The great majority of posters believe the girl was wrong AND the cop was wrong, but gave up trying to discuss the difference a long time ago.

Well, maybe you're right. Everything sees things differently.

For example, I see that you and I agree that although the student misbehaved, the punishment didn't fit the crime.

Uh, don't we?

On the other hand my perception is that the ones who believe the force was justified outnumber the ones who say the girl did nothing wrong. I actually can't recall anyone specifically saying she did nothing wrong, but we all have our respective blinders on and I am certainly not immune to that.

I guess we could go back through the threads and compile a tally, but in any event that would be a complete waste of time because no one is changing anyone's mind about what happened, I don't think, absent any new evidence.

 

[katydid23]

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Columbia, SC (WLTX) - Richland School District Two officials say two students involved in Monday's incident at Spring Valley High School have been allowed to return to school. Meanwhile, a substitute teacher is now in that classroom where the incident happened and an administrator in the school is on paid leave over the situation.

[snip]

Roof said while an independent investigation is conducted, a substitute teacher is in the math class. As for the administrator, she says that consistent with the district's standard procedures during investigations, the administrator is on paid leave.
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Wow. Great news. The algebra teacher, the Administrator and the long time deputy will all lose their jobs and careers, maybe be unable to feed their families, but at least the student got to keep her cell phone. It would have been a tragedy if she was forced to keep it on the teacher's desk for 45 minutes while she did her classwork. What a great win for her. And a great win for justice. Students can see that there is no reason to listen to teachers or administrators.

 

[al66pine]

"Originally Posted by al66pine He is entitled to his own thoughts and to express his own thoughts.
Each student is entitled to own thoughts and to express them.
He cannot legitimately claim - he or other student speaks for "everyone else" a majority, not even a plurality.
No more than a single poster here could claim he speaks for "everyone else" on W/S or even a majority or a plurality. JM2cts."

Responding to the bold: of course you're right, he can't. But in my experience adolescents are super tuned in to the prevailing opinions among their cohort, so I am willing to take his word for it in the absence of statements to the contrary from that same cohort.

Anyone can "take his word" for it that he is stating what his cohorts are thinking. Welcome to do so.

I'm reluctant to do that based on "absence of statements to the contrary from that same cohort."
Is it poss every student from class, aside from him, is posting on own FB etc, the very opposite? Poss, but doubtful.
Or all agreeing w him? Could be.
Or students had a range of opinions? More likely, imo.

Has anyone here found a way -
- to ID the FB pages, I/Gs, other SM of all those students, to read their opinions? Not me.
- to know what these students said to MSM, that was deleted from MSM rpts, whether broadcast or newspapers or _? Not me.

IzzyBlanche, you may have a better read on adolescents and/or people than I do. I could be wrong about ^, JM2cts.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I do not want to be misquoted, so let's go back to what I originally said.You will notice that I first was speaking SPECIFICALLY about the disruptive teens, not the entire student body.


post #331:

A lot of you are talking about your perspectives from being rebellious teens. With that in mind, I can see why some see her as a sympathetic victim. I am looking at this from my years working in the principals office of a large urban high school. So I look back at my experiences with disruptive, defiant students and I feel sorry for the teachers/admins/officers, not the defiant student. I saw many of the students as spoiled, entitled, selfish bullies. JMO

Thanks for clarifying. I understand now what you were saying. I think.

You saw many of the disruptive, defiant students as spoiled, entitled, selfish bullies.

Right?

If so, I misunderstood. I thought you switched from referring to a specific group of students to students in general.

I didn't intentionally misquote you to make your words seem like they meant something you didn't mean.

I apologize if it seemed that I was doing that.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Columbia, SC (WLTX) - Richland School District Two officials say two students involved in Monday's incident at Spring Valley High School have been allowed to return to school. Meanwhile, a substitute teacher is now in that classroom where the incident happened and an administrator in the school is on paid leave over the situation.

[snip]

Roof said while an independent investigation is conducted, a substitute teacher is in the math class. As for the administrator, she says that consistent with the district's standard procedures during investigations, the administrator is on paid leave.
=======================================================


Wow. Great news. The algebra teacher, the Administrator and the long time deputy will all lose their jobs and careers, maybe be unable to feed their families, but at least the student got to keep her cell phone. It would have been a tragedy if she was forced to keep it on the teacher's desk for 45 minutes while she did her classwork. What a great win for her. And a great win for justice. Students can see that there is no reason to listen to teachers or administrators.

Wait, what? Where did it say say the teacher and administrator are in danger of losing their jobs?

 

[katydid23]

Thanks for clarifying. I understand now what you were saying. I think.

You saw many of the disruptive, defiant students as spoiled, entitled, selfish bullies.

Right?

If so, I misunderstood. I thought you switched from referring to a specific group of students to students in general.

I didn't intentionally misquote you to make your words seem like they meant something you didn't mean.

I apologize if it seemed that I was doing that.

Thank You. That is why I posted my original post. I was originally discussing the disruptive, difficult students that I would 'meet' while working in the principal's office. So that was the specific group I was speaking of. Not the student body in general. And certainly not YOUTH in general.

I love kids, not just my own kids and grandkids, but kids in general. But I also want them to learn accountability for their actions.

 

[katydid23]

Wait, what? Where did it say say the teacher and administrator are in danger of losing their jobs?

It appears so. According to that article.