SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class

[LietKynes]

O/T but nationality is not the same thing as race.

RSBM

I used to think in terms of race until a fellow uni. student corrected me-- he said "....It's considered "nationality", now. "Race" is an archaic term...."
So I had to adjust my thinking.
I'm part Italian and part Norwegian, and proudly considered myself mixed race, until a friend informed me that Italians are considered caucasians. ( But, if my friend had gone to school where I'd attended, she wouldn't think so. )
Also off-topic : I've been fascinated with different races and wondered where the animosity comes from-- for some people. But, again my opinion, I think it's more of a cultural difference than anything.

Afaik, we are all of the same race . the Human race.
:moo:

 

[Confusion]

RSBM

I used to think in terms of race until a fellow uni. student corrected me-- he said "....It's considered "nationality", now. "Race" is an archaic term...."
So I had to adjust my thinking.
I'm part Italian and part Norwegian, and proudly considered myself mixed race, until a friend informed me that Italians are considered caucasians. ( But, if my friend had gone to school where I was, she wouldn't think so. )
Also off-topic : I've been fascinated with different races and wondered where the animosity comes from-- for some people. But, again my opinion, I think it's more of a cultural difference than anything.

Afaik, we are all of the same race . the Human race.
:moo:

I think the word you want may be ethnicity.

 

[WideOpen]

I do not agree with the violence shown in this classroom toward the girl and agree that the handcuffs should have been placed on and that would seem to have been enough "encouragement" to have gotten the girl to comply. However, prior civil request had been made of her to get up and leave the class room and she refused. Her behavior is what led to the escalation of the situation. When LE is called to handle situations it is common sense to comply with their requests. Experience tells us that it is in our best interest to do as we are instructed or some uncomfortable actions might happen toward us. I find it strange that anyone wouldn't obey LE. Been there done that. I'm old.
I'm also not going to mouth off to a drunk person or tell off my boss. As a kid, I never swore in front of my parents because I just might get my teeth knocked out. And, on and on and on....Is no one responsible for their actions and there is no consequence? I believe the officer understands and will be held accountable but will this young woman have learned anything except that its okay to be defiant and bully those in charge? That won't fly well in the real world.
JMO

 

[vestigare]

So every time a student becomes defiant a police officer will be called in to assault and arrest the kid? That will set up a bad precedent, imo.

Not mention the likelihood of other people being hurt and the lawsuits stemming from children watching the police's violent response.

 

[Confusion]

It seems to me that it would have been easier to suspend her and call her parents to pick her up. She was released to them anyway.

MOO

 

[vestigare]

"A second student who verbally objected to the girl's treatment also was arrested"

So I guess this other student hurt the officers feelings and had to be arrested for exercising her rights?

 

[bluesneakers]

RSBM

I used to think in terms of race until a fellow uni. student corrected me-- he said "....It's considered "nationality", now. "Race" is an archaic term...."
So I had to adjust my thinking.
I'm part Italian and part Norwegian, and proudly considered myself mixed race, until a friend informed me that Italians are considered caucasians. ( But, if my friend had gone to school where I'd attended, she wouldn't think so. )
Also off-topic : I've been fascinated with different races and wondered where the animosity comes from-- for some people. But, again my opinion, I think it's more of a cultural difference than anything.

Afaik, we are all of the same race . the Human race.
:moo:

Italian and Norwegian are nationalities. The student in the video is Black, aka African-American. That's her race. The police officer is White, and I'm assuming they are both Americans. But she might be Canadian or English or some other nationality. It wouldn't change what her race is though.

 

[bluesneakers]

"A second student who verbally objected to the girl's treatment also was arrested"

So I guess this other student hurt the officers feelings and had to be arrested for exercising her rights?

Questioning authority is a criminal offense.

 

[LietKynes]

I think the word you want may be ethnicity.

SABBM

That sounds more accurate ; ty.

Back in the olden days -- I do not remember any cops in the schools--- ever. If you didn't listen, you were sent to the principals' office and sometimes there was a letter sent home to your parents.
Just that kept the students in line.

What changed ?
Saw this article :
www.nylslawreview.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/16/2013/11/54-4.Thurau-Wald.pdf
With all due respect to the article ( it's an older one ), I don't think the tragedy at Columbine caused schools to implement law enforcement presence in the hallways ; in the numbers that are there today.

What would happen if we remove all police from the schools ?
Will things get better and more orderly if control is given back to the teachers and principals ?
What if we were to suspend students for repeated disobedience ?

Thinking out loud here.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I wouldn't even toss my dog that hard. This guy acted as if she was cattle at the rodeo. Shame on him. Jmo

 

[al66pine]

...Hand over her phone? Oh because Personal property becomes the teacher's when one goes to school? Or is this institutionalized theft?....

^ sbm School dist book* (briefly & generally) says students there are prohibited from using cells during class, and on first offense, device is confiscated & returned to student at end of school day. Even on 4th offense, cell is returned. Not institutionalized theft.

May be different from school policies some here are familiar w, but not difficult to understand.
Not difficult to comply voluntarily, without a teacher reminding/asking, without a vice-prin asking/requesting. Appears this student just did not want to comply w explicit written policy.

Who thinks this teacher & this vice-prin are just pulling ideas out of their wazoos & making stuff up as district or school policy? Presumably the parents/guardians and the students have all signed to ack handbook contents**. Simple English.

And now this student (maybe others) refuse to comply multiple times, to multiple ppl, but some posters seem to say removing this student from class should not be a consequence.
As I said before, this LEO/SRO's technique was not ideal, but seems his use of physical steps to remove was/may have been warranted. JM2Cts.

Sarc alert: But just let students keep using cells in class, talking, disrupting, no consequence.




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* Richland School District Two, Back-2-School Handbook, 2015-16

page 35 addresses students' cellphone usage, etc.
"High school
High school students may use ECDs such as cellular phones, electronic pagers or any other communications devices before and after school, during their lunch break, within “free zones” (as determined by the principal) and as deemed appropriate by the teacher and approved by the principal for educational and/or instructional purposes only. Any other use of wireless communications is considered misuse and violations may result in disciplinary action.
Consequences
• First offense - warning/confiscate device and return to student at the end of the school day
• Second offense - confiscate device/return to parent/legal guardian
• Third offense - confiscate device/return device to parent/legal guardian and privilege to have device is revoked for the remainder of the school year
• Fourth offense - confiscate device/return at the end of the school year
Violation of this policy shall result in discipline as outlined in the district’s code of conduct (Policy JICDA/ JICDA-R)."

** On page 2, Superintendent's Welcome states:
"Parents and students must acknowledge receipt of this handbook by signing the confirmation form and returning it to the student’s advisory or homeroom teacher. It communicates to us that the parent/guardian and student have access to the handbook." bbm

Other pages cover disruptions in classroom. And SVHS student handbook.
Can jump to both ^ from https://www.richland2.org/svh/pages/Default.aspx

 

[DexterMorgan]

"A second student who verbally objected to the girl's treatment also was arrested"

So I guess this other student hurt the officers feelings and had to be arrested for exercising her rights?

He's lucky that this wasn't a nyc public school in the 80's or early 90s. Lol. He would have had the entire class rushing him. No lie.

These kids seemed very well behaved while watching this disturbing take down. Jmo

 

[DexterMorgan]

^ sbm School dist book* (briefly & generally) says students there are prohibited from using cells during class, and on first offense, device is confiscated & returned to student at end of school day. Even on 4th offense, cell is returned. Not institutionalized theft.

May be different from school policies some here are familiar w, but not difficult to understand.
Not difficult to comply voluntarily, without a teacher reminding/asking, without a vice-prin asking/requesting. Appears this student just did not want to comply w explicit written policy.

Who thinks this teacher & this vice-prin are just pulling ideas out of their wazoos & making stuff up as district or school policy? Presumably the parents/guardians and the students have all signed to ack handbook contents**. Simple English.

And now this student (maybe others) refuse to comply multiple times, to multiple ppl, but some posters seem to say removing this student from class should not be a consequence.
As I said before, this LEO/SRO's technique was not ideal, but seems his use of physical steps to remove was/may have been warranted. JM2Cts.

Sarc alert: But just let students keep using cells in class, talking, disrupting, no consequence.




_________________________________________________

* Richland School District Two, Back-2-School Handbook, 2015-16

page 35 addresses students' cellphone usage, etc.
"High school
High school students may use ECDs such as cellular phones, electronic pagers or any other communications devices before and after school, during their lunch break, within “free zones” (as determined by the principal) and as deemed appropriate by the teacher and approved by the principal for educational and/or instructional purposes only. Any other use of wireless communications is considered misuse and violations may result in disciplinary action.
Consequences
• First offense - warning/confiscate device and return to student at the end of the school day
• Second offense - confiscate device/return to parent/legal guardian
• Third offense - confiscate device/return device to parent/legal guardian and privilege to have device is revoked for the remainder of the school year
• Fourth offense - confiscate device/return at the end of the school year
Violation of this policy shall result in discipline as outlined in the district’s code of conduct (Policy JICDA/ JICDA-R)."

** On page 2, Superintendent's Welcome states:
"Parents and students must acknowledge receipt of this handbook by signing the confirmation form and returning it to the student’s advisory or homeroom teacher. It communicates to us that the parent/guardian and student have access to the handbook." bbm

Other pages cover disruptions in classroom. And SVHS student handbook.
Can jump to both ^ from https://www.richland2.org/svh/pages/Default.aspx

You call that removing her from class? The girl almost broke her fregging neck. They could have had her parents simply come get her from one of her classes. And then expelled her on the way out.

But attempting to decapitate her or break her neck should not have been attempted. Jmo.

 

[sonjay]

There is nothing here yet to indicate she was talking on her cell - only that she peeked at her cell phone - still not the right thing to have done if against the class rules.

We need more video in order to elaborate and speak with authority on all that she did. Making things up or jumping to conclusions is no better than some media attempts to inflame. Jmo.

PEEKED is a word that you just plucked out of thin air to apply to this incident of disruptive student behavior.

Unless you've seen video of the "peek." If you have, please share it with us.

 

[sonjay]

How does that change whether tossed and dragged were the correct words?

When you have an uncooperative disruptive student, that may be -- and apparently was -- the only way to get her to leave the class and stop disrupting it.

Was her behavior fair to the other students? Some of whom actually may have wanted to learn something? Is it fair to toss their education out the window, and drag the entire class into a disruptive confrontation with a disruptive student?

It's not about the entitled disruptive student; it's about the students who want to learn, who want to get an education and make something of themselves, and the limited options available to remove the disruption from the classroom.

 

[bluesneakers]

PEEKED is a word that you just plucked out of thin air to apply to this incident of disruptive student behavior.

Unless you've seen video of the "peek." If you have, please share it with us.

"Peeked" was not plucked out of thin air. That's a quote from another student in the classroom.

 

[Springrain]

When you have an uncooperative disruptive student, that may be -- and apparently was -- the only way to get her to leave the class and stop disrupting it.

Was her behavior fair to the other students? Some of whom actually may have wanted to learn something? Is it fair to toss their education out the window, and drag the entire class into a disruptive confrontation with a disruptive student?

It's not about the entitled disruptive student; it's about the students who want to learn, who want to get an education and make something of themselves, and the limited options available to remove the disruption from the classroom.

Wouldn't some handcuffs and dragging (not tossing to ground) suffice?

 

[bluesneakers]

When you have an uncooperative disruptive student, that may be -- and apparently was -- the only way to get her to leave the class and stop disrupting it.

Was her behavior fair to the other students? Some of whom actually may have wanted to learn something? Is it fair to toss their education out the window, and drag the entire class into a disruptive confrontation with a disruptive student?

It's not about the entitled disruptive student; it's about the students who want to learn, who want to get an education and make something of themselves, and the limited options available to remove the disruption from the classroom.

I don't see how any of this would change the words that were used. Tossed and dragged were accurate.

 

[Woodland]

PEEKED is a word that you just plucked out of thin air to apply to this incident of disruptive student behavior.

Unless you've seen video of the "peek." If you have, please share it with us.

'Peeked' is how a fellow student described the use of the phone - from the article in post #1.

 

[vestigare]

School policy is not codified law.
Calling the police to violently respond because a student refused to comply with policy is absolutely ridiculous.

Police are meant to uphold laws not random institutions policies.