SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #11

[bestill]

I really don't know, bestill. One of the Boston Marathon bombers FB page was removed....I can't recall if Tamerlyn or Jhokar. His friends list increased rapidly when his name became public and it was removed within a couple hours.

Some LEA's may leave it alone and watch for any activity. Maybe one of our verified LEOs will weigh in on this question. hint....

I hope they will. I think I recall the same thing happening with the Newtown shootings too.

 

[imamaze]

I was more referring to parents/friends who would withhold not-so-pleasant info to protect their loved one. They don't know if she left willing, so withholding info could potentially put off finding the person OR determining if they left on their own volition.

and that's my question, what do you all think is or was being withheld for law enforcement? I mean from the PR it looks to me as if family and friends, or anyone in the PR was known right away. I mean long before anyone else knew about any of them. We know from TE that anything he got he turned over because he wants him daughter found. I just don't see anything being withheld at this point.

So why do you think anything was withheld or why does anyone think this?

 

[hockeymom4]

I was more referring to parents/friends who would withhold not-so-pleasant info to protect their loved one. They don't know if she left willing, so withholding info could potentially put off finding the person OR determining if they left on their own volition.

I 100% agree. That is very true. Not everyone feels that way. I know the information being heard may be difficult to read for the family, but it is her life. IF a crime was committed a clue in that life may help them find her. Some in this case and others are very blind to see that voluntarily leaving is a possibility.

 

[stillwatersc]

Why do you think this all came to light because of other people? I mean law enforcement talked to friends and family from the very beginning right? The room mate, the date, the ex, om. I don't see any of them keeping info from law enforcement and that's what matters imo.

Agree. LE knew about OM from day 1.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html

The phone activity occurred about four hours after Elvis’ last known whereabouts on Dec. 18, and the man identified in the report was nearly twice her age, documents show. Elvis’ roommate, the police report said, told officers that Elvis “seemed like she was crying and upset” after Elvis reported a conversation with that man.

A police report says Elvis’ father contacted T-Mobile, his cellular provider, which the report says provided him with a call history for the victim’s phone. According to the report, the last phone calls were at about 6 a.m. Dec. 18, about four hours after Elvis and Shiraldi ended their date. The calls were back and forth between the victim and the older man, the report said. The older man told police he hasn’t seen the victim since October, and then admitted to speaking with Heather Elvis the previous night, the report continued.

The previous night- meaning LE talked to OM on the day they found the car.

Every time I see the word "admitted", it gives the impression of being reluctant information. OM didn't fess up until he was confronted with the phone record? Did he not realize they could/would look at Heather's calls or did he call from an unidentifiable phone number and did not know Heather told someone else she was talking to him?

 

[escape2sc]

and that's my question, what do you all think is or was being withheld for law enforcement? I mean from the PR it looks to me as if family and friends, or anyone in the PR was known right away. I mean long before anyone else knew about any of them. We know from TE that anything he got he turned over because he wants him daughter found. I just don't see anything being withheld at this point.

So why do you think anything was withheld or why does anyone think this?

I would love to answer this question but do not want a t/o for discussing rumors :tantrum:

 

[imamaze]

And yet, all of her family have mentioned how the horrible gossip is so hurtful...so if one did not already happen to read about it, it might make one google for it. In a way, they are bringing more attention to some of the nasty posts out there, albeit inadvertently I am sure. JMO

but gossip isn't fact right? so imo it is hurtful and I agree with the family. My opinion only of course.

That's one big reason we don't allow SM posts here because it is gossip and most of it is pure rumor which is what gossip is imo.

 

[cluciano63]

but gossip isn't fact right? so imo it is hurtful and I agree with the family. My opinion only of course.

That's one big reason we don't allow SM posts here because it is gossip and most of it is pure rumor which is what gossip is imo.

Oh I agree...just fearing more people are reading the bad stuff as it keeps coming up on their page, etc...JMO

 

[Arione]

JMO
I was thinking back to how when something happens to someone, the police usually first ask if the person had any known enemies. And began to think that someone could become an enemy in the blink of an eye. Like for example if a person got really upset with their own life turning out bad and they somehow blamed her for all their troubles all of sudden.

I guess the point is an enemy can develop rapidly.

And then there are the coworkers or friends of friends that you think are your friend too, but in reality that person will harm you. Usually just by gossiping behind your back or causing you to lose a job, but you never know how far someone will go when they blame their troubles on you. Some people are hateful enough to try to destroy someone they are jealous of. IMO and in my experience..

 

[imamaze]

I would love to answer this question but do not want a t/o for discussing rumors :tantrum:

LOL escape2sc! So your saying that its rumor that leads everyone to believe that family and friends have not told law enforcement everything?

 

[Dr. Know?]

If LE were delving into someone's facebook page would facebook remove the page or keep it up, anyone know how that works?

I've seen it quite a few times in other cases. Not sure if it is LE who gets a warrant or if it's the person who removed it themselves this time. They reappear usually in a day or so usually.

 

[escape2sc]

In cases like this, I think people talking , whether fact or rumor, helps keep the conversation going. I know several people who live in MB , who have said that, in the beginning, everyone was talking about Heather, at work, church , etc. But since the information about the OM came out , Heather's case isn't talked about as much if at all. Everyone assumes Om is guilty and when Heather is found an arrest will be made . So I think , if letting people gossip keeps Heather in the conversation, let 'em talk.

 

[escape2sc]

LOL escape2sc! So your saying that its rumor that leads everyone to believe that family and friends have not told law enforcement everything?

Sorry, must of misunderstood the question. I believe her family and close friends have told LE everything they know. But I think there is chance, Heather has friends/acquaintances her family and close friends were not aware of.

 

[Foxfire]

Prolly unrelated - Just an FYI:

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2014-01-22/possible-human-remains-found-guana#.UuKPQxAo7cd

During a controlled burn Wednesday in the Guana Tolomato Matanzas National Estuarine Research Reserve, a representative of the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission found what could be human remains...

http://members.jacksonville.com/new...+County+Community+News)#.UuInTIg9Ia8.facebook

The St. Johns County Sheriff’s Office is investigating the discovery of human remains along Florida A1A in the Guana Preserve in South Ponte Vedra Beach.


https://www.google.com/maps/preview...x853041d0ff7d7fa0!2m2!1d-81.34418!2d30.110172

 

[hockeymom4]

and that's my question, what do you all think is or was being withheld for law enforcement? I mean from the PR it looks to me as if family and friends, or anyone in the PR was known right away. I mean long before anyone else knew about any of them. We know from TE that anything he got he turned over because he wants him daughter found. I just don't see anything being withheld at this point.

So why do you think anything was withheld or why does anyone think this?

Sometimes people don't always tell everything right away because they think they are protecting the one they love or a best friend. Friends may be sworn to secrecy to never tell something and not understand how important a detail may be. From my observations and my opinion, HE's family was very religious and her lifestyle may not have aligned with their views. She may have felt judged and may have not wanted them to ever know about things. 20 yr olds may not understand that you need to tell these things right away, where older people do.

At the same time, I know of a case locally where someone was missing and they said she was nut depressed or suicidal. She was later found having committing suicide. Having known someone who knew her, they told me she battled depression for years and her family refused to confront it and never told LE about it. She was over 50. I don't get it.

There is more that I would love to discuss about that photograph, but based on the comments yesterday, i will keep it limited. I was under the assumption that photograph and the fact that it was received was told to the public a month ago. I am not understanding the reason why it was so long before it was made public.
Unless maybe I missed a previous article missing it. I read article after article mentioning everything but this. I sort of understanding excluding the 6am initially, but do not understand excluding this text message and picture.

 

[lovinlife83]

I think the family should come out and address the rumors one at a time, maybe on dateline, 60 minutes, etc. Some sort of sit down on a mainstream show. I live & work in Surfside Beach (minutes from Socastee) for an extremely conservative and religious group of people. When I came into work on Monday, I noticed Heathers missing poster was removed from our front door. I printed up the newest one and told the owners the reward had been upped and I had an updated poster. They told me they removed the original one because "no one coming here would know her" and they have "heard terrible things about her, did you know she was sleeping with a married man"? "not to be rude, but girls who go out at 3 am bring it upon themselves" OMG! I quickly corrected everyone of them and told them the poster was going on the door. Then I pointed out that if this was their granddaughter regardless of what she had or hadn't done, she deserves to be found…then they agreed. Heather's poster is on our front door again, but it makes me wonder how many other small local businesses did the same thing?

 

[Topcat]

I really don't know, bestill. One of the Boston Marathon bombers FB page was removed....I can't recall if Tamerlyn or Jhokar. His friends list increased rapidly when his name became public and it was removed within a couple hours.

Some LEA's may leave it alone and watch for any activity. Maybe one of our verified LEOs will weigh in on this question. hint....

Unless the Feds step and remove it (security risks,evidence,etc) I believe FB doesn't monitor it's pages for criminal activity or active criminal investigations.

 

[Flo girl]

I think the family should come out and address the rumors one at a time, maybe on dateline, 60 minutes, etc. Some sort of sit down on a mainstream show. I live & work in Surfside Beach (minutes from Socastee) for an extremely conservative and religious group of people. When I came into work on Monday, I noticed Heathers missing poster was removed from our front door. I printed up the newest one and told the owners the reward had been upped and I had an updated poster. They told me they removed the original one because "no one coming here would know her" and they have "heard terrible things about her, did you know she was sleeping with a married man"? "not to be rude, but girls who go out at 3 am bring it upon themselves" OMG! I quickly corrected everyone of them and told them the poster was going on the door. Then I pointed out that if this was their granddaughter regardless of what she had or hadn't done, she deserves to be found…then they agreed. Heather's poster is on our front door again, but it makes me wonder how many other small local businesses did the same thing?

GOOD for you for standing up for Heather!!

 

[Topcat]

Agree. LE knew about OM from day 1.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html





The previous night- meaning LE talked to OM on the day they found the car.

Every time I see the word "admitted", it gives the impression of being reluctant information. OM didn't fess up until he was confronted with the phone record? Did he not realize they could/would look at Heather's calls or did he call from an unidentifiable phone number and did not know Heather told someone else she was talking to him?

Bolded by me ..this brings out the point that this guy wasn't technologically savvy, So when we discuss manipulating Sm pages and playing phone tag using HE's phone as giving false locations and times......I don't believe it applies here..is the wife of OM savvy enough to do these things on the fly when in an emotional state (possible murder)? She might be a very emotional person to start with as per the verbal assault on searchers... I don't think so ..

 

[imamaze]

Sorry, must of misunderstood the question. I believe her family and close friends have told LE everything they know. But I think there is chance, Heather has friends/acquaintances her family and close friends were not aware of.

BBM...

I think that's very possible, but I was mainly responding to other members here that feel Heather's family and friends have kept certain info a secret? and I don't see that being the case here.

 

[imamaze]

Agree. LE knew about OM from day 1.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html





The previous night- meaning LE talked to OM on the day they found the car.

Every time I see the word "admitted", it gives the impression of being reluctant information. OM didn't fess up until he was confronted with the phone record? Did he not realize they could/would look at Heather's calls or did he call from an unidentifiable phone number and did not know Heather told someone else she was talking to him?

Thanks for the link! and that's why I'm perplexed at members thinking anyone kept info from law enforcement.

I agree it makes me think the same thing.