SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #11

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  • #581
I'm sure TE and BW know a lot more then we do but I doubt they'd ever risk compromising the case if the police asked them not to talk about it. The silence from LE is likely an investigative strategy as I don't see this PD being one who does shoddy work.

I'm sure when they are comfortable, little bits will be released at a time if this case carries on. It may be that we hear nothing until an arrest is made.
 
  • #582
I'm sure TE and BW know a lot more then we do but I doubt they'd ever risk compromising the case if the police asked them not to talk about it. The silence from LE is likely an investigative strategy as I don't see this PD being one who does shoddy work.

I'm sure when they are comfortable, little bits will be released at a time if this case carries on. It may be that we hear nothing until an arrest is made.

Her father said (on JVM show) that LE tells him nothing. So it is hard to say. Often, families are frustrated by the lack of info LE shares. But since he paid her phone bill (apparently, or shared an account) he can at least do some research there, which is a plus. He knows if married man and Heather, or ex-boyfriend and Heather, had been communicating. JMO
 
  • #583
. She may or may not find heroin use acceptable and that doesn't mean she uses but that "she knows people who use or comes in contact with people who use".

IMO this statement is a stretch. Posting a song on Twitter IMO doesn't imply she either uses heroin or knows/comes in contact with people who do. MOO
 
  • #584
maybe roomie said she was upset, crying or sounded upset, crying and LE says "so it seemed to you she was upset, crying" and she says "yes it seemed to me she was upset crying" and so that is the statement that they wrote.

From all I've read, I comprehended it as LE talked to OM and he says I haven't seen HE since October and LE goes we have records of calls between you 2 to 6 am and OM says she was calling and I called her to tell her to stop.

Most OMs don't want to admit to a questioning LE about communication with a 20y old. Maybe HE was also upset due to having become afraid of OMW- maybe OM afraid of her 2.

This makes a lot of sense to me !!!!
 
  • #585
Date said no one called her unless she silenced it. That article may be bad, but most of them say the same thing. The timeline is funky, off and making me wonder....

he said she spoke to her dad and bw....

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  • #586
(snip) --until LE names a suspect.
I believe if a suspect is ever named and we can start discussing and combing through a suspect's life we may have a very good idea where HE is because this is a group of out of the box thinkers who pay attention to every detail.

I hope they do, but HCPD doesn't seem to name suspects, or they have problems identifying suspects IMO. Amber Berbiglia's case went cold and to this day no suspect has been named. I'm thinking the public has had enough and isn't going to let up until they do something, anything.
 
  • #587
I hope they do, but HCPD doesn't seem to name suspects, or they have problems identifying suspects IMO. Amber Berbiglia's case went cold and to this day no suspect has been named. I'm thinking the public has had enough and isn't going to let up until they do something, anything.

Yet as far as we can tell, LE is not ruffled by any of the outcry. JMO
 
  • #588
I hope they do, but HCPD doesn't seem to name suspects, or they have problems identifying suspects IMO. Amber Berbiglia's case went cold and to this day no suspect has been named. I'm thinking the public has had enough and isn't going to let up until they do something, anything.

HCPD strikes me as being a well organized, well run PD. Any difficulties they have is likely due to the nature of the case rather than how they are conducting the investigation.
 
  • #589
HCPD strikes me as being a well organized, well run PD. Any difficulties they have is likely due to the nature of the case rather than how they are conducting the investigation.

really? how many missing persons are now cold cases? Too many, IMO.

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  • #590
really? how many missing persons are now cold cases? Too many, IMO.

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Hundreds of thousands of murders and crimes have gone unsolved over the years. Police only have so much time and resources.
 
  • #591
Until LE fills in the timeline for us or the entire chain of events emerges in a prosecution (who knows when/if that will happen), we're stuck with discrepancies, gaps, and limited information.

So since the information stopped flowing, my direction's one of reviewing what's known, weeding out what would make no sense given the known and verified timeline, and asking why.

Ultimately, I think this is a case of 'it's simple but not easy' to deduce where she might be and how she got there. That is, I think the who/how/where/why will likely prove to be relatively straightforward, but the dynamics that led to the outcome will be complicated.

So for now, my questions revolve around why, because simply characterizing it as a potential revenge motive doesn't explain a thing about why that morning/day, how, where, and why she's been so difficult to locate.

Motive specifics to me are what leads to the rest, particularly if more than one person is involved. This is what I meant by my remark that you really have to willing to make some sacrifices to abduct a person and end their life. And since I don't think anyone involved "snapped" or is a serial killer who doesn't perceive risks or sacrifices, I think someone took some really big risks here. And, since she hasn't been found yet, I think there was some planning about where.

Why is that? What threat did HE pose that was perceived greater than the risk it took to lure her (IMO that's what happened), isolate her, cause her disappearance and what's likely her death, and take her to where she's thus far been hard to find?

Part of the not so easily discerned details of the social history and dynamics and perceived threat, most likely. JMO
 
  • #592
I've been away from my computer for too long and now I'm 20 pages behind! Anyone care to message me with an update? It would be greatly appreciated!!
 
  • #593
Do you think that because of how active this case seems to be, it gives us a false idea of how much priority LE is putting into it? We talk about this case everyday, see 40k people on the FB page, her father is frequently talking to the media, hear about how MB is covered in flyers, hear about searches, basically, this case stands out from many others in terms of public awareness/interest, so we assume the investigation must stand out too? I am not saying the case isn't being investigated, just that I don't know if LE is going well beyond what they normally do for a missing adult case.
 
  • #594
Do you think that because of how active this case seems to be, it gives us a false idea of how much priority LE is putting into it? We talk about this case everyday, see 40k people on the FB page, her father is frequently talking to the media, hear about how MB is covered in flyers, hear about searches, basically, this case stands out from many others in terms of public awareness/interest, so we assume the investigation must stand out too? I am not saying the case isn't being investigated, just that I don't know if LE is going well beyond what they normally do for a missing adult case.

Actually I think this is priority to LE. Think of the satisfaction of solving this knowing the national media coverage involved, the several recent unsolved missing persons cases and the local public involvement. I think they need this big time, imo.
 
  • #595
HCPD strikes me as being a well organized, well run PD. Any difficulties they have is likely due to the nature of the case rather than how they are conducting the investigation.

Vinny, imo, HCPD/SLED is squandering their most valuable investigative resource; the American public, due to their lack of an effective media management strategy. Although the HCPD has a PIO, after almost six weeks there has been no press conferences or investigation updates. It is critical that the community is well informed and that all available resources are utilized in missing persons cases, imo.
 
  • #596
OK-from this poorly written article I put together the timeline they stated in there

7 p.m. Elvis left for a date at about 7 p.m. Dec. 17
10:43 p.m. Elvis text messaged a photo of herself to her father at 10:43 p.m. (learning to drive a manual )Dec. 17
1:44 a.m. Dec. 18 Brianna Warrelmann,receiving a call from a OM (was that FL time?)
about 2 a.m. occurred at about 2 a.m. Dec. 18. (date with Shiraldi)
after 2 a.m. (“definitely” dropped Elvis off) after 2 a.m. Dec. 18
10 posts were time stamped between 1:53 a.m. and 2:09 a.m. Dec. 18
6 a.m. Dec. 18 the last phone calls were at about 6 a.m. Dec. 18
Her vehicle was found abandoned on Dec. 19 (no time stated) at PTL

Shiraldi said he doesn’t recall Elvis speaking with anyone via cell phone during their date other than her father, Terry Elvis, and Warrelmann.
does this mean she spoke w/roomie in FL while date was still there?
Shiraldi has no recollection of her crying or becoming upset. (since stated spoke to BW while there implied maybe 2nd call was from home about OM)?

have i got this right?? if trying to go by facts in article it seems Heather spoke w/dad & BW during date and everything OK
then she gets home and things start happening calls up BW again (no clarification if 2 seperate calls)
her time stamped posts has a discrepancy cuz "(“definitely” dropped Elvis off) after 2 a.m." could it be post dated as some mentioned? or posted by someone else using her account?
have I missed anything??


I think that Heather was posting to her Tumblr account while her date (Shiraldi) was driving her home. My daughter, SIL and all their friends seem to be able to be engaged in this type of SM without even a break in conversation sometimes - and they are almost 30 years old. So, not unusual at all in my world. It would fit with the timeline her date provided. :twocents: MOO
 
  • #597
I can't remember where I read the news, but supposedly numerous local and state agencies are involved in this investigation. I think HCPD is taking this case very seriously and working as diligently as possible.
 
  • #598
FYI: OT-unrelated to HE investigation..

http://www.southstrandnews.com/article/20140125/GTT06/140129891/1151

One dies, one injured after boat capsizes in Garden City
Saturday, January 25, 2014

It happened this afternoon at the tip of Garden City Beach when a boat capsized, according to reports from the scene.

County Deputy Coroner Sam Hodge said one person who was in the boat hunting has died. The identity of the person has not yet been released until the next of kin is notified.
 
  • #599
Until LE fills in the timeline for us or the entire chain of events emerges in a prosecution (who knows when/if that will happen), we're stuck with discrepancies, gaps, and limited information.

So since the information stopped flowing, my direction's one of reviewing what's known, weeding out what would make no sense given the known and verified timeline, and asking why.

Ultimately, I think this is a case of 'it's simple but not easy' to deduce where she might be and how she got there. That is, I think the who/how/where/why will likely prove to be relatively straightforward, but the dynamics that led to the outcome will be complicated.

So for now, my questions revolve around why, because simply characterizing it as a potential revenge motive doesn't explain a thing about why that morning/day, how, where, and why she's been so difficult to locate.

Motive specifics to me are what leads to the rest, particularly if more than one person is involved. This is what I meant by my remark that you really have to willing to make some sacrifices to abduct a person and end their life. And since I don't think anyone involved "snapped" or is a serial killer who doesn't perceive risks or sacrifices, I think someone took some really big risks here. And, since she hasn't been found yet, I think there was some planning about where.

Why is that? What threat did HE pose that was perceived greater than the risk it took to lure her (IMO that's what happened), isolate her, cause her disappearance and what's likely her death, and take her to where she's thus far been hard to find?

Part of the not so easily discerned details of the social history and dynamics and perceived threat, most likely. JMO


I wonder since it seems to have taken so much time for realization/action that Heather WAS missing if maybe it allowed the perp to move her to another MORE HIDDEN location in the proceeding days?
Maybe the timeline discrepancies is intentional? It sure does seem like there are an awful lot of missing not found in that area & little done (like pressers,info released) about it.
I've seen so many smaller LE stuck in the same pattern.These are new times with SM and increased cameras around. I know some bigger departments monitor and use SM frequently. It seems that HCPD can't even keep web pages updated...One would think SM doesn't really need much groundwork,expenses in order to utilize. Maybe they have no-one experienced in or fully versed in SM? That would seem to me to be a big mistake in these times?
 
  • #600
Vinny, imo, HCPD/SLED is squandering their most valuable investigative resource; the American public, due to their lack of an effective media management strategy. Although the HCPD has a PIO, after almost six weeks there has been no press conferences or investigation updates. It is critical that the community is well informed that all resources are utilized in missing persons cases, imo.

I disagree. Each case is different and I'm sure if they think it will benefit the investigation they will include the public.
 
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