SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #12

[cluciano63]

Do you all think that LE believes HE is still missing or the deed is done? I get the feeling they aren't actively searching for and alive Heather, but it's more of a recover the evidence and prove what they can for the future arrest and trial. I just don't get a sense of urgency from them and I think this is part of the public frustration.

Where could they search for a live person? They are in the unfortunate position of no proof or life, or otherwise, really. But honestly I do not know how they could go about searching for her if they felt she was alive, other than running checks for social security card usage, bank accounts, etc. She did not take her car. Not sure what any LE can do at this point. JMO

Also she is twenty, not a child. Perfectly legal for her to be anywhere she wants to be (well, except in a bar, maybe...)

 

[Topcat]

Slightly O/T Here's where there is going to be a problem with the recent arrests. Depending on the charges for the two individuals being charged with Obstruction of Justice, "posting misleading information on Facebook" is not a crime. If somehow they are convicted of Obstruction of Justice due to "posting misleading information on Facebook", then everything that everyone has ever written without IMO or JMO, etc would be open to prosecution for anything. In addition, neither of the men were the only people posting misleading information. For the second allegation, "he began questioning a witness in an attempt to gain confidential information about the law enforcement investigation", LE would have to PROVE that the only reason anyone was questioning a witness was to actually gain confidential information, so whomever was questioning a witness would pretty much have to use the words "Tell me whatever you know that the police won't tell anyone." Just getting confidential information as a by-product of asking questions is also not a crime. The third allegation was "conducted an independent search, where potential evidence was uncovered and did not immediately report it to law enforcement." So if it isn't evidence, is it still a crime? (I just have to wonder about that, it isn't a real question.) If something was found and the person finding it wasn't sure if it was evidence and if they should report it or not, that isn't a crime. If it were, how many of us would be guilty of a crime because we uncovered something about someone that MIGHT be evidence? Can you imagine how inundated LE would be if we called in everything we ever uncovered about every case without some more research first? However, if they removed something from a location, that would be a different story. (I don't know if the potential evidence was physical or virtual). The only actual crime that MAY have been committed would be fabricating misleading information and actually relaying it to LE, knowing the information was misleading.

And these are only ALLEGED charges. These men have not been convicted. I give them the same benefit of the doubt I give all parties involved until there is actual evidence shown that any of the charges are valid and not just LE trying to get everyone to shut up by scaring them with this arrest (because I've seen that more than once). I've said my piece, thank you for reading.

JMO, IMO, my own opinions written down.

You nailed it...well said

 

[Jo in Calif]

Posting misleading things on FB is not a crime.
Fabricating information, posting it on FB and then bringing that information to LE is a crime. IMO

 

[Snowyowl]

Where could they search for a live person? They are in the unfortunate position of no proof or life, or otherwise, really. But honestly I do not know how they could go about searching for her if they felt she was alive, other than running checks for social security card usage, bank accounts, etc. She did not take her car. Not sure what any LE can do at this point. JMO

Also she is twenty, not a child. Perfectly legal for her to be anywhere she wants to be (well, except in a bar, maybe...)

ahhh,but you can be in a bar,you just can't consume alcoholic beverages!
if Heather left TE's car and TE's phone she might be wanting to break away. I don't think that's so, but considering ALL scenarios could be a distant possibility :moo:

 

[Hatfield]

I keep seeing comments about LE not doing enough. :waitasec: I just don't get it. What are they supposed to do? They are not going to jeopardize an investigation to satisfy curious/nosy people.

There have been no press conferences. So what? There are a lot of missing person cases where LE does not hold many press conferences. What are they supposed to say? :waitasec: We have no new information? :waitasec: .

I do tend to think LE in most cases does everything in their power to find answers and solve these cases. Sometimes it just takes time. I don't believe they have any reason to not want a case solved. At this point I have no reason to believe they aren't doing everything they can

While I realize emotions are high, and people want answers - I would prefer LE keep a tight lip if that is what it takes to eventually prosecute those responsible for Heather's disappearance.

I just don't see this case moving forward until Heather is found.

They would be foolish to prematurely arrest anyone. :twocents:

JMO
I agree with most here, except for the BBM part, as I have always wished LE would provide some sort of update periodically about open cases. And yes, even if there is no new information, IMO, it would help tremendously to let the public and the victim family know they are still actively working on the case and havent forgotten them.

To me, it would go a long ways to assuring the public and victim families that they are on top of things and have not pushed them to the bottom of the barrel. It could be accomplished very simply and with very little effort like a short post on their LE website if that is the avenue they wish to use.

I think it would be great if all LE community websites had an Open Case section and would list their active investigation cases, and then periodically provide a status update like once a month at a minimum, and yes, it could be to just let everyone know that they are still actively pursuing but no new significant information has been found. I think this sort of thing would go a long ways to improve the Community/LE interractions.

When this sort of thing is NOT provided, human nature and especially victim families may tend to assume that nothing is being done.

 

[Snowyowl]

Posting misleading things on FB is not a crime.
Fabricating information, posting it on FB and then bringing that information to LE is a crime. IMO

I wonder if reading misleading information posted and reporting it to LE is a crime IF you assumed that info was correct? SM has become an essential tool,but if LE is not very familiar with it,they might also not be familiar with the ever changing rules regarding it?
hmmm, the rulesa re ever changing just like the facts in MSM articles,etc..:moo:

 

[Treelights]

http://www.horrycounty.org/OnlineServices/PublicIndex.aspx

This is a good link for information concerning bond for GS and BB.

IMOO.

 

[cluciano63]

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ahhh,but you can be in a bar,you just can't consume alcoholic beverages!
if Heather left TE's car and TE's phone she might be wanting to break away. I don't think that's so, but considering ALL scenarios could be a distant possibility :moo:

Possible though I don't get the impression she is ready to assume full responsibility for her life, especially financially...much as I feel Bryce L., a missing 19-year old, is unlikely to be "out there" on his own. Heather appears to have been at least partially dependent on parents IMO.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/obstruction+of+justice

Trying to bribe a witness and destruction of evidence are in the top three reasons explained under obstruction of justice.

There's no bail set so the charges must be serious (per the note next to their charges on the Sheriff's site, apparently erroneous, as they've posted bail today).
Until we know the details, I wouldn't minimize what the two men did to get arrested. It doesn't sound as if it was just one thing either.

 

[cluciano63]

I think they are out on bail...set at $2500 from what I read...JMO

 

[Treelights]

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/obstruction+of+justice

Trying to bribe a witness and destruction of evidence are in the top three reasons explained under obstruction of justice.

There's no bail set so the charges must be serious.
Until we know the details, I wouldn't minimize what the two men did to get arrested. It doesn't sound as if it was just one thing either.

Their bonds were paid today.

http://www.horrycounty.org/OnlineServices/PublicIndex.aspx

 

[imamaze]

Until we get clarification on what we can and can't discuss, do not discuss any potential evidence unless it is in the media or from law enforcement. We should have some clarification soon.

 

[MBnative]

O/T: People is SC cannot drive. Really...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/15/worst-drivers-states/4025109/

Because the majority of people aren't from here (Myrtle Beach)!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Their bonds were paid today.

http://www.horrycounty.org/OnlineServices/PublicIndex.aspx

Oh, it must take awhile to update the other site which a half hour ago had "no bail set".
What's the explanation of that note by their charges if their bonds were paid today?

 

[cluciano63]

As weird as this case is...it does not hold a candle to the freak-show stuff on Nancy Grace's FB page...so I doubt it will be getting much airtime anytime soon, for what it is worth.

 

[madamehdivision]

So, the bond has been paid. The next mention date is in June, 2014 for "bond returnable". What does that mean? And what happens now?

 

[Softail]

JMO
I agree with most here, except for the BBM part, as I have always wished LE would provide some sort of update periodically about open cases. And yes, even if there is no new information, IMO, it would help tremendously to let the public and the victim family know they are still actively working on the case and havent forgotten them.

To me, it would go a long ways to assuring the public and victim families that they are on top of things and have not pushed them to the bottom of the barrel. It could be accomplished very simply and with very little effort like a short post on their LE website if that is the avenue they wish to use.

I think it would be great if all LE community websites had an Open Case section and would list their active investigation cases, and then periodically provide a status update like once a month at a minimum, and yes, it could be to just let everyone know that they are still actively pursuing but no new significant information has been found. I think this sort of thing would go a long ways to improve the Community/LE interractions.

When this sort of thing is NOT provided, human nature and especially victim families may tend to assume that nothing is being done.

I might agree, but we don't know that the family isn't being kept up to speed. They are the only ones that really matter. The Dateline episode leads me to believe they are! I'm sure there is a lot that the family cannot discuss, as it should be.

:twocents:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Someone asked earlier why people want this case to get national coverage. I think for some people, they want everyone to know what happened to Heather (not really to look for her, but just to know her story) and also for the people they suspect to become the "most hated people in the country". I have seen people asked for/be glad about national coverage for cases where there's been an arrest. It's not always about about whether the case will be solved through it. A lot of it is symbolic.

 

[lovinlife83]

I keep seeing comments about LE not doing enough. :waitasec: I just don't get it. What are they supposed to do? They are not going to jeopardize an investigation to satisfy curious/nosy people.



There have been no press conferences. So what? There are a lot of missing person cases where LE does not hold many press conferences. What are they supposed to say? :waitasec: We have no new information? :waitasec: .



I do tend to think LE in most cases does everything in their power to find answers and solve these cases. Sometimes it just takes time. I don't believe they have any reason to not want a case solved. At this point I have no reason to believe they aren't doing everything they can



While I realize emotions are high, and people want answers - I would prefer LE keep a tight lip if that is what it takes to eventually prosecute those responsible for Heather's disappearance.



I just don't see this case moving forward until Heather is found.



They would be foolish to prematurely arrest anyone. :twocents:

I think people are just growing frustrated by the track record we have seen. What happened to Heather, Angie, Brittinee, Kareem, Zach, Crystal, Johnny, Glenn, Charles, Susan, Amber and all the others I didn't mention? It seems anyone can go around abducting or murdering people and get away with it. It believe they aren't getting anywhere with their outdated methods, IMO. If what they were doing (staying tight lipped) was working people wouldn't be so upset. Our crime rate here is ridiculously high. Why?


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[Creek-Ratz]

For a Bond of $2500, you would only have to put up $250 cash from what Bail Bondsmen say. Only have to put up 10% of the total amount.