SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #13

[nosysw]

I wonder if the TK bartenders are not well trained on when to deny someone anymore alcohol?

They had better get up to speed in NJ. There is not much slack on the DUI's here, from what I see. I'm not too happy about this establishment opening nearby either. Trying to compete with the Wayne Hooters, I suppose. Ugh.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I wonder if Heather's phone pinged there on the 17th too, and maybe that's why the 17th s being used. If I were making a Missing poster for Heather, I'd probably ask if anyone noticed her vehicle and/or any people in or near it Dec 17th-19th. That IMO might be better than just giving a specific date in this instance bc of all the discrepancies pinpointing the exact date. Maybe?

 

[Idon'tneedthesame]

There is a TK here in PA in King Of Prussia. I have never been there, and have no desire to go.

 

[Treelights]

I wonder if Heather's phone pinged there on the 17th too, and maybe that's why the 17th s being used. If I were making a Missing poster for Heather, I'd probably ask if anyone noticed her vehicle and/or any people in or near it Dec 17th-19th. That IMO might be better than just giving a specific date in this instance bc of all the discrepancies pinpointing the exact date. Maybe?

And I wonder if that's why missing posters have stated.... "On or about December 17, 2013"... Using both prepositions covers different time periods, or different days perhaps?

IMOO.

 

[ShaShaGa]

does anyone recall from the start of he's disappearance about le talking with local fishermen concerning a vehicle pulling a trailer-possibly a boat trailer that had no lights on it? I awoke this morning thinking about it. It may go back as far as the 1st or 2nd thread.

yes i remember that very well !!!

 

[ShaShaGa]

All evidence strongly indicates foul play.

The chances of Heather being alive at this point are so slim as next to nothing.

But, WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE !!!

 

[hockeymom4]

I agree with your logic about listing the 19th instead of the 17th as the date the car was found on the missing poster.
You say you think there is a reason for it. Do you mean that someone benefits from the missing poster having the car found date as the 17th instead of the 19th or it points to someone or what? This is where you lost me.
Your use of the ellipsis (or multiple ellipses) has led me to believe you think there is an intent that benefits someone.

I just mean I think there is a reason behind putting the date as the 17th. I think it actually may have been found there. Perhaps the date was mistaken about seeing her car. Perhaps the car was found to be there on the 17th by eye witnesses. Logically, it wouldn't make sense to put the wrong date.

 

[hockeymom4]

I dont want to miss anything either so Im trying to imagine your theory. What about her last night in Myrtle Beach? Would someone about to fake their demise spend their last evening staying out late on a date with a new guy? Would they call up their roommate to discuss the men in their life? She didnt behave like someone about to leave everything and everyone behind. To me, making myself disappear for a short time or for forever would be a huge deal. Maybe it wouldnt be to others.

Thank you for being open minded and receptive to an opinion that may differ than you own. I really do appreciate that. And for not shooting down someone because they don't share the same opinion as you. I have thought about that and I do think that until the last minute people live their lives. If you look at other people who walk away, they have done the same thing. I am skeptical on how real the dat was...I think they were just friends and this was a friendly evening out. But, IF she did so, I think she wanted to get the wheels in motion so no one was the wiser. I agree it is a big deal. People who do it don't sometimes don't think of others and other times they do because they don't want them knowing for fear the person they fear will hurt them to get information. I am mixed on this one. If people sleuth, a lot will be uncovered and you may see why this is possible.

 

[SharetheLight]

But, WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE !!!

Maybe
1.that she is gone
2.Her phone and purse are missing
3.Her car was abandoned
4.She has not accessed any of her SM (or bank accounts I assume or LE wouldn't be looking for her)
5.LE has conducted searches in the water and through woods
6.She has not contacted anyone she knows
7.She has not used her phone

And I'm sure a lot more of an electronic trail of evidence.
The biggest tell for me is the fact that LE has all evidence (whatever that may include) and they are searching in water and through the woods for her. That certainly sounds like some piece of evidence is pointing toward foul play.

 

[Treelights]

Maybe this is semantics, but I found it interesting in this Nancy Grace video interview with Terry Elvis, that they were talking about Heather's phone, and around the 40 second mark in the video Nancy Grace asks....
"Terry was that pinged Back to her apartment?"
and Terry replied, "Um, at this time, they won't really confirm where it was pinged To."

Now, to me, those are 2 different meanings. Pinged back to her apartment would mean that she was calling from her apartment or perhaps calling from somewhere else to her apartment, and the answer Terry gave was "pinged to".
Nancy Grace didn't ask where it was pinged to......Unless the conversation was really
going in the direction of she was calling from elsewhere to her apartment......
Is this my perception, and am I misunderstanding their conversation? I am a bit confused on this. Can someone offer their input on what this means, please?
IMOO.

This video is from HLN on Youtube:

Nancy Grace: 'Please, help us find Heather Elvis' - YouTube

 

[hockeymom4]

And I wonder if that's why missing posters have stated.... "On or about December 17, 2013"... Using both prepositions covers different time periods, or different days perhaps?

IMOO.

If it said that, I would totally get it, but it says "found abandoned on the 17th." That is what makes me believe LE has direct evidence that is was found abandoned on the 17th. If it was found another day, they couldn't and wouldn't say so. I think they must have received new info over time.

 

[hockeymom4]

Maybe
1.that she is gone
2.Her phone and purse are missing
3.Her car was abandoned
4.She has not accessed any of her SM (or bank accounts I assume or LE wouldn't be looking for her)
5.LE has conducted searches in the water and through woods
6.She has not contacted anyone she knows
7.She has not used her phone

And I'm sure a lot more of an electronic trail of evidence.
The biggest tell for me is the fact that LE has all evidence (whatever that may include) and they are searching in water and through the woods for her. That certainly sounds like some piece of evidence is pointing toward foul play.

Leanne Bearden, also missing, totally different cases...I know. But, all of the above is true except she walked away on foot (instead of the car) and they do not suspect foul play, but that she left on her own. My point is, what evidence is there that foul play is to be suspected? Not saying there was not foul play, but someone mentioned there being evidence. What is it?

 

[SharetheLight]

If it said that, I would totally get it, but it says "found abandoned on the 17th." That is what makes me believe LE has direct evidence that is was found abandoned on the 17th. If it was found another day, they couldn't and wouldn't say so. I think they must have received new info over time.

Maybe I'm lost and confused. Has it been said by anyone or stated anywhere else EXCEPT the find Heather posters that the date the car was found was 12/17?

It's my understanding that from day one forward both TE and LE have said car was found on 12-19, but the very first missing poster had 12-17 as the date the car was found. And new posters keep that info.

Is this your understanding? I feel like you are saying at some point information came out that it was found abandoned on the 17th which either means Heather abandoned her car before she went on a date and called her roommate or Heather never went on a date nor called her roommate.

 

[EmmaRose]

If it said that, I would totally get it, but it says "found abandoned on the 17th." That is what makes me believe LE has direct evidence that is was found abandoned on the 17th. If it was found another day, they couldn't and wouldn't say so. I think they must have received new info over time.

The whole "when the car was left there" has been a bit confusing to me from the beginning. First I heard was that a neighbor to PTL said vehicle was there since Monday. Then, LE reports that person was mistaken. I can understand a one day discrepancy, but was this person in Oz to mistake Monday for Thursday? There have been other versions, such as fishermen called the car in, or police found it while on routine patrol. If her car was left there on the 17th then it would have had to be placed there before she went on her date because she got dropped off from that 2 am on the 18th. Did date know what kind of car she drove, or did he assume the roomate's vehicle was hers?

 

[Motherof5]

Leanne Bearden, also missing, totally different cases...I know. But, all of the above is true except she walked away on foot (instead of the car) and they do not suspect foul play, but that she left on her own. My point is, what evidence is there that foul play is to be suspected? Not saying there was not foul play, but someone mentioned there being evidence. What is it?

What evidence is there that foul play isn't suspected? You have no clue what LE knows either way. Leanne Bearden's case is very different. There isn't an OMM and very upset OMW involved that I know of.

 

[hockeymom4]

Maybe I'm lost and confused. Has it been said by anyone or stated anywhere else EXCEPT the find Heather posters that the date the car was found was 12/17?

It's my understanding that from day one forward both TE and LE have said car was found on 12-19, but the very first missing poster had 12-17 as the date the car was found. And new posters keep that info.

Is this your understanding? I feel like you are saying at some point information came out that it was found abandoned on the 17th which either means Heather abandoned her car before she went on a date and called her roommate or Heather never went on a date nor called her roommate.

I really don't know because I am so confused on a lot of things. But, I did wonder if HE dropped it off there on the 17th with the intention of getting it later at some point after the date and never went back. That would explain people seeing it on the 17th. I think she then left from her apt. Where to....who knows

 

[Treelights]

I just mean I think there is a reason behind putting the date as the 17th. I think it actually may have been found there. Perhaps the date was mistaken about seeing her car. Perhaps the car was found to be there on the 17th by eye witnesses. Logically, it wouldn't make sense to put the wrong date.

I am wondering if it is possible to have another resident at her condo complex that perhaps also drives a Dodge Intrepid, or a similar looking vehicle that was mistaken as Heather's in the parking lot, if Heather's vehicle was actually at PTL since Dec. 17th?
Just throwing out ideas...
IMOO.

 

[hockeymom4]

What evidence is there that foul play isn't suspected? You have no clue what LE knows either way. Leanne Bearden's case is very different. There isn't an OMM and very upset OMW involved that I know of.

1. Never said foul play was not suspected. I said I think it's possible.
2. I said we don't know what LE knows.
3. I said LB's case is very different.

 

[cluciano63]

I cannot think of any "no body" murder cases brought concerning a victim of about Heather's age. It will be a tough call for LE, down the road, IMO, whether or not they pursue charges (if they even have a suspect.) Without a crime scene, prior instances of violence by a POI or even specific threats, they would have to base a case on no contact with friends or family, no monetary activity, no online activity, all of which I think are very telling in her age group especially...but still could be tough to sell to a jury. JMO, twenty-year olds are not known for (IMO) being super-responsible or thoughtful overall, and a jury could conclude she just found someplace better to be.

(NOT my belief...I think she was probably dead before we ever even heard of her)

 

[SharetheLight]

I am wondering if it is possible to have another resident at her condo complex that perhaps also drives a Dodge Intrepid, or a similar looking vehicle that was mistaken as Heather's in the parking lot, if Heather's vehicle was actually at PTL since Dec. 17th?

Just throwing out ideas...

IMOO.

Has anyone TE or LE or any person stated the car was found at PTL on the 17th? I have not seen anything that says this.
Yes the poster has this info but has any person said this?