SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #13

[Woe.be.gone]

If used correctly, it could be invaluable.

HCPD FB page needs to catch up with the times IMO.



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That's what the point of the article is - how useful social media can be for LE when it comes to gathering useful facts about a crime. But stresses that caution has to be used before taking info from sm and running with it as fact.
Apparently someone in Heather's case took info from social media and claimed the info was true. Heather's case is specifically noted in the article as an example of when social media is used carelessly relative to an investigation.

Also, I don't think the article is a coincidence. My guess is Horry LE have combed over HE's social media and phone records by now.
LE doesn't want false info STATED AS FACTS going out to the public.

Also, around WS, a theory is a theory. Please keep in mind when reading posts, afaik no one knows the truth surrounding HE's case.
So please don't imply so and so is a quack because they believe this or that when very few posters have insisted upon a singular theory. ALL of our postings are merely conjecture up to this point.

 

[cluciano63]

IMO, Heather's father really sounded like he was being truthful,when he said LE is not telling him anything. If so, I can barely imagine what goes through their (family) minds, just looking at the dozens of questions and scenarios we have come up with. I know in other cases, families have often said LE does not share any info with them.

Anyway...JMO

 

[nosysw]

Also, around WS, a theory is a theory. Please keep in mind when reading posts, afaik no one knows the truth surrounding HE's case.
So please don't imply so and so is a quack because they believe this or that when very few posters have insisted upon a singular theory. ALL of our postings are merely conjecture up to this point.

Above, respectfully snipped and BBM:

This statement is very important. Even verified insiders can lead one astray (no offense to any intended). Just because someone has inside information, does not mean that everything they say can be taken as gospel. It is merely what they're thinking based on what they think they know. The arrests of the two FBF shows this. Maybe their misleading information was intentional, or maybe it was based on what they thought they knew, but they were misinformed, or misunderstood something.

I'm reminded of being on jury duty last year. The judge frequently said in his instructions that the witnesses were going to provide their story; The jury members were to consider it, and then decide if they believe all of it, some of it, or none of it. And believe me, there were one or two witnesses where I definitely leaned toward the 'none of it'.

 

[Quill]

Please forgive if this has been pointed out (even on the other threads of AB) but this just popped into my head. Both AB and HE were leaving their current jobs and moving on to pursue new goals - AB was about to move out of the area and HE was about to begin her new position in cosmetology. Had HE given notice at TK? Not sure if HE planned to try to balance two positions or if she was leaving TK.

Just pointing out that both girls were in transition of some kind.

The connection to the technological college is intriguing too imo.

This is an interesting point, to me. Mainly because of past personal experience. Once upon a time I was 20 yrs old, forever ago. I looked much younger, most took me for 16. But, I was working in a donut shop where we wore uniforms that were kind of short little dresses. We were located in an industrial area and had regular locals on a daily basis. I got lots of tips daily and even refused a few for being inappropriate. $10 is a bit much for 69 cent cup of coffee, don't you think? I think it was his comment about my legs that made me insist on giving it back. Ick. There was one in particular that really creeped me out....every single day. He was inappropriate and I'll leave it at that. On my last day, as he was leaving he said, "I'll see you Monday" and I smiled and said,"See you Monday!" I was terrified that if he found out I was leaving that he would follow me home. I really was scared of him.

I know it's far different from a TK type of establishment, but I did feel unsafe and vulnerable.

Unfortunately with the technology available today it is all too easy to find information about people.

It does make me wonder about this case.

 

[The Horse Yeller]

Hello all; new user, but have been lurking since thread 9 or so. From Dillon, SC originally, but have lived in Myrtle for the past 12 years or so, just a few miles from PTL. Thanks for having me!

 

[Snowyowl]

Originally Posted by SharetheLight View Post
Maybe
1.that she is gone
2.Her phone and purse are missing
3.Her car was abandoned
4.She has not accessed any of her SM (or bank accounts I assume or LE wouldn't be looking for her)
5.LE has conducted searches in the water and through woods
6.She has not contacted anyone she knows
7.She has not used her phone

And I'm sure a lot more of an electronic trail of evidence.
The biggest tell for me is the fact that LE has all evidence (whatever that may include) and they are searching in water and through the woods for her. That certainly sounds like some piece of evidence is pointing toward foul play.
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2)I thought her keys and phone were missing?? I believe VI stated that..

4)who even says she HAD a bank account?? Most kids not exactly in a saving mode? working in a hospitality position isn't that usually BELOW minimum wage? I thot someone stated can make $500 day CASH?? What's to say she couldn't be squirreling that away for whatever reason?
If she was only working weekends at TK (AFAIK) it would mean her last pay was on Sunday Dec 15?? I know many ppl living paycheck to paycheck..We don't even KNOW if she was leaving TK for new position..
We don't even know when/if her roomie last saw HE. We don't know when/if this new date was scheduled.
Sadly, no info has been forthcoming from LE or even MSM.

5) who knows WHERE LE has been searching since they haven't said anything?no list of searches. Also who knows who ELSE has been searching? Apparently some who might have been searching privately might be charged w/a crime (NOT CONVICTED YET)

6) how do we know she hasn't contacted anyone she knows-no specifics AFTER a certain date or time? She did contact roomie,dad,date-

7) how do we know she didn't have another phone since this one was in her dad's name/paying bill? Maybe she had another phone for contacting people whom she might not want to reveal to parents,etc? It seems like she might have done quite a few things others weren't aware of?

looking for the holes-that's where I think you'll find the answers-or at least MORE ??
without any confirmed info from LE,etc and shoddy work in reporting you really can't pull any facts out of thin air...

 

[Foxfire]

Hello all; new user, but have been lurking since thread 9 or so. From Dillon, SC originally, but have lived in Myrtle for the past 12 years or so, just a few miles from PTL. Thanks for having me!

Welcome, The Horse Yeller!...what is your opinion and theory of HE's disappearance, if you don't mind sharing?



:wagon:

 

[cujenn81]

Hello all; new user, but have been lurking since thread 9 or so. From Dillon, SC originally, but have lived in Myrtle for the past 12 years or so, just a few miles from PTL. Thanks for having me!

I'm originally from Dillon too! Shout out! & welcome aboard!


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[SharetheLight]

2)I thought her keys and phone were missing?? I believe VI stated that..

4)who even says she HAD a bank account?? Most kids not exactly in a saving mode? working in a hospitality position isn't that usually BELOW minimum wage? I thot someone stated can make $500 day CASH?? What's to say she couldn't be squirreling that away for whatever reason?
If she was only working weekends at TK (AFAIK) it would mean her last pay was on Sunday Dec 15?? I know many ppl living paycheck to paycheck..We don't even KNOW if she was leaving TK for new position..
We don't even know when/if her roomie last saw HE. We don't know when/if this new date was scheduled.
Sadly, no info has been forthcoming from LE or even MSM.

5) who knows WHERE LE has been searching since they haven't said anything?no list of searches. Also who knows who ELSE has been searching? Apparently some who might have been searching privately might be charged w/a crime (NOT CONVICTED YET)

6) how do we know she hasn't contacted anyone she knows-no specifics AFTER a certain date or time? She did contact roomie,dad,date-

7) how do we know she didn't have another phone since this one was in her dad's name/paying bill? Maybe she had another phone for contacting people whom she might not want to reveal to parents,etc? It seems like she might have done quite a few things others weren't aware of?

looking for the holes-that's where I think you'll find the answers-or at least MORE ??
without any confirmed info from LE,etc and shoddy work in reporting you really can't pull any facts out of thin air...

2. Yes that's what VI stated but then her dad stated phone and purse were still missing after VI stated only keys and phone. Between aunt or dad I'm going to believe dad has the latest info
4. Per her twitter account she was paying medical bills. I've assumed she has a checking account to do this but it's possible she was running around paying cash or paying for money orders for her bills and these days there's a lot you need a check card for or a check card/credit card makes easier -- pumping gas is one.
5. It was stated LE performed search at PTL in water and woods.
6. AFTER she was declared missing. If she has contacted someone after she was declared missing, I would think they would be hindering an investigation by not going to LE with that info.
7. She may have another phone for contacting people she didn't want to make her parents aware of but I'm thinking OMM would've been on top of that list. She contacted OMM from phone on her parents account.

Granted we can't pull facts out of thin air but we can apply some common sense logic to the info we do have.

 

[The Horse Yeller]

Welcome, The Horse Yeller!...what is your opinion and theory of HE's disappearance, if you don't mind sharing?



:wagon:

With all the rumors flying around, and lack of real information released, it's almost impossible to get a fix on anything. IMO, her disappearance is almost certainly a result of foul play, rather than a voluntary leave of absence. I also think the family, as well as LE know much more than is being let on. I believe OMM & OMW are involved (gut feeling, as well as this is more often than not the case), and I think her lifestyle is a result of rebellion against the upbringing her family may have tried to force upon her. Again, JMOO. I have been watching alot of Dexter lately though, so my opinions may be skewed.

 

[The Horse Yeller]

I'm originally from Dillon too! Shout out! & welcome aboard!


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Thanks fellow Wildcat! Nice to see DC being repped

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I think Terry believes Heather is dead. And considering how desperate parents of missing children are to believe their child is still alive, it makes me think LE has told him about things that we don't know about it. For one thing, you never hear any talk about possible sightings of Heather, and how this sighting is hope that she's still alive. Two, Terry was trying to get the governor to use special places for ground searches, which would be looking for Heather's body. Three, The pictures used of Heather are not very recent, and no posters showing her tattoos. It makes me think the pictures are more for a memorial, than for people to actually keep their eyes for her.

 

[bamcaan]

I am wondering if Heather's car was seen there on Monday, then she left in it, came back on Tuesday perhaps, left, and came back on Wednesday, you know, a meeting place, so it was observed there on different days and the observer thought it had been left there since Monday, except that maybe it was there alright, but not through the whole duration of time.
IMOO.

I think you're probably right on with that. If the affair was still active and HE and OM were still meeting on a regular basis it would make perfect sense.

When I was HE's age I was in the same situation. (Don't judge me, lol. I was young and carefree and had nothing to lose. Married older man with 3 kids). Met up 2-3 times a week and then we would go somewhere else in his car...friend's apartment, motel, etc, and then he would return me to my car. If the neighbor wasn't very observant they could very well assume it had been there the whole time.

It could also explain why the 17th was put on the fliers/posters. For someone to come forward if they saw it there on the 17th or 18th. I don't think that it's important enough to worry about.

Needless to say, if my OMM's wife had got to me instead of her husband at our meeting spot, what would have become of me!

JMO

 

[Snowyowl]

2. Yes that's what VI stated but then her dad stated phone and purse were still missing after VI stated only keys and phone. Between aunt or dad I'm going to believe dad has the latest info
4. Per her twitter account she was paying medical bills. I've assumed she has a checking account to do this but it's possible she was running around paying cash or paying for money orders for her bills and these days there's a lot you need a check card for or a check card/credit card makes easier -- pumping gas is one.
5. It was stated LE performed search at PTL in water and woods.
6. AFTER she was declared missing. If she has contacted someone after she was declared missing, I would think they would be hindering an investigation by not going to LE with that info.
7. She may have another phone for contacting people she didn't want to make her parents aware of but I'm thinking OMM would've been on top of that list. She contacted OMM from phone on her parents account.

Granted we can't pull facts out of thin air but we can apply some common sense logic to the info we do have.

sometimes common sense logic doesn't fit into a different mindset. Unless we know facts easy to speculate,but...I believe it's called transferrance.
How do we know she didn't have a gas card/credit card w/TE??After all,she had a car & phone & I've seen "kids" way into 30's still w/credit cards,etc. He did have a business & in other times I've seen all expenses written off business books? We have no way of knowing:twocents:

 

[Snowyowl]

2. Yes that's what VI stated but then her dad stated phone and purse were still missing after VI stated only keys and phone. Between aunt or dad I'm going to believe dad has the latest info
4. Per her twitter account she was paying medical bills. I've assumed she has a checking account to do this but it's possible she was running around paying cash or paying for money orders for her bills and these days there's a lot you need a check card for or a check card/credit card makes easier -- pumping gas is one.
5. It was stated LE performed search at PTL in water and woods.
6. AFTER she was declared missing. If she has contacted someone after she was declared missing, I would think they would be hindering an investigation by not going to LE with that info.
7. She may have another phone for contacting people she didn't want to make her parents aware of but I'm thinking OMM would've been on top of that list. She contacted OMM from phone on her parents account.

Granted we can't pull facts out of thin air but we can apply some common sense logic to the info we do have.

was it stated anywhere they performed a search at PTL or her new place or her old place? How do we know? Did they ask any neighbors?
On one hand we're asked not to jump to conclusions publicly and on the other we get conflicting reports & shoddy reporting..Arrgghhh :banghead:

 

[SharetheLight]

was it stated anywhere they performed a search at PTL or her new place or her old place? How do we know? Did they ask any neighbors?

On one hand we're asked not to jump to conclusions publicly and on the other we get conflicting reports & shoddy reporting..Arrgghhh :banghead:

Here's the link that said police are searching and using DNR boats and state police helicopters around the water at PTL right after she went missing.

http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=985850

 

[Snowyowl]

2. Yes that's what VI stated but then her dad stated phone and purse were still missing after VI stated only keys and phone. Between aunt or dad I'm going to believe dad has the latest info
4. Per her twitter account she was paying medical bills. I've assumed she has a checking account to do this but it's possible she was running around paying cash or paying for money orders for her bills and these days there's a lot you need a check card for or a check card/credit card makes easier -- pumping gas is one.
5. It was stated LE performed search at PTL in water and woods.
6. AFTER she was declared missing. If she has contacted someone after she was declared missing, I would think they would be hindering an investigation by not going to LE with that info.
7. She may have another phone for contacting people she didn't want to make her parents aware of but I'm thinking OMM would've been on top of that list. She contacted OMM from phone on her parents account.

Granted we can't pull facts out of thin air but we can apply some common sense logic to the info we do have.

Wouldn't it also depend WHEN stated as opposed to just stating. For instance the original exojane article stared that & believe VI might have been later than that. I don't do Facebook, so wouldn't know what's going on in that dog and pony show.
Not trying to be difficult,just pointing out that "facts" are subject to interpretation.
The only fact I'd really love to see is Heather coming home

 

[Snowyowl]

Here's the link that said police are searching and using DNR boats and state police helicopters around the water at PTL right after she went missing.

http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=985850

Thanks for that,but is there any link stating they searched PTL or her living places??

 

[Snowyowl]

Here's the link that said police are searching and using DNR boats and state police helicopters around the water at PTL right after she went missing.

http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=985850

OK-I get it-that article dated 12/20!One would assume they'd search where the car she drives was found. Especially since they've had so much recent experience w/missing people.I'm sure they've done their best considering TE is a friend as well. I'm sure their job becomes even harder to detach when it's somebody you know/care about.
Is there any mention anywhere of any kind of tracking dogs or body dogs? Forgive me,I jumped late into this so haven't read every article.

 

[SharetheLight]

Wouldn't it also depend WHEN stated as opposed to just stating. For instance the original exojane article stared that & believe VI might have been later than that. I don't do Facebook, so wouldn't know what's going on in that dog and pony show.
Not trying to be difficult,just pointing out that "facts" are subject to interpretation.
The only fact I'd really love to see is Heather coming home

I am not quoting from any FB sources.
And yes it would depend when it was stated. I mentioned when it was stated in my last post you quoted.

Heather's dad stated her phone and purse were missing. The VI came on sometime after that and said only her keys and phone were missing, she was asked about it and she gave a cryptic answer about "when" it was stated.
Then a later interview came out and Terry said purse and phone were still missing.
The fact that Terry stated this after the VI gave conflicting information is not open to interpretation.

You are free to believe whomever you choose but time wise Terry gave the same information to MSM before and after VI gave us different information here.