SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #13

[jillycat]

BBM

I suspect TE and LE are comparing apples and oranges, to borrow an overused metaphor. It's probably not the same record. LE would have the complete record with pings and all the rest, while TE had the billable record. There's a lot of information in the billable record, but it doesn't include routine pings and probably doesn't include calls that were dialed but not answered. I don't know whether he'd see calls to her phone that she didn't answer; my bill doesn't give me that information.

I'm distinguishing between pings and user phone activity. The record I'm referring to is the one through the carrier that shows all activity and when every text or call was made or received, and when data was used. It's unrelated to the bill.

 

[lovinlife83]

Have they started a thread for the missing mother and daughter out of Bennettsvile?http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/24623...ice-searching-for-missing-mother-and-daughter

 

[passionflower]

Have they started a thread for the missing mother and daughter out of Bennettsvile?http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/24623...ice-searching-for-missing-mother-and-daughter

how far away is this from HE disappearance? MB / PTL ?

 

[Hatfield]

How does this compute Hatfield?

So possibly the Roomie's phone call could have been at Heather's local time 2:44am after she got home from her date. That would make more sense to my way of thinking.
Would also explain why she didn't go to bed after being dropped off by her date. Heather would have been all wound up emotionally.
So after the roomie call, Heather accesses her tumblr account at 3:41am local time before maybe taking a nap and then woken by a call around 6am perhaps?
Apologies am not familiar with your time zones.

The top part is what we were thinking. That even though the roomie said 1:44 AM, it was correct for the roomie if she was in Florida upper Left Panhandle (North West corner of FL). So, if roomie was in that CST=Central Standard Time portion of FL, then the actual call from HE to her was really at 2:44 AM EST (Eastern Time Zone).

Which means then the date was correct too that he dropped her off around 2 or 2:30 EST.

So both the roomate and date were correct in what they said.

For the 3:41 activity to 6 AM phone activity, it is just speculation on whether Heather was even using her phone or not depending on when she was abducted and maybe the perp(s) could have taken control of her phone at some point. Im kind of leaning towards the 3:41 time is when the beginning of when things went bad, and 6 AM time is towards the end of when perp was done with her. JMO of course.

 

[jillycat]

I'm still bowled over by learning that tweets can carry GPS info that shows where the person was when they sent the tweet. My goodness.

That means that there are at least 3 different ways a person can be tracked back to their location from using their smart phone. Are there any others than these below?

1-The phone itself has GPS info and LE and 911 operators can locate a caller that needs help.
2-When someone sends a picture that includes the extra GPS information, it can show the date, time, and location the picture was taken from.
3-Tweets from twitter can carry GPS location of where the person was when they tweeted.

Twitter removes metadata, so if I understand what you're saying, posting a pic doesn't reveal where you are/were. Some of the other social media sites do this as well.

 

[lovinlife83]

how far away is this from HE disappearance? MB / PTL ?

The mother is known to visit a friend at the beach near Hwy 544 in Socastee area.
http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/24623...ice-searching-for-missing-mother-and-daughter

83 miles (an hour and a half) from Bennettsville, SC to Socastee, SC

 

[spamelope]

Could be there are neighbors or other witnesses we don't know about.

Perhaps someone heard something or has reported some detail or observation that on its own has no apparent relevance, but it lines up with other info LE has or suspects.

We don't know what LE knows. They could have a lot of evidence from the apartment, as well as witnesses. For all we know, they have deemed the apartment a crime scene. They don't have to tell the public what they've found.

 

[Hatfield]

I can't see any gps info on her tweets. Am I missing something or are there additional steps involved to access the info? Hmmm......

Post 412 showed us an example. My understanding is the info is only there if the tweeter uses a certain option to provide it. Link below is example and Post 412 has better explanation. Click on "from location" at bottom of tweet.

https://twitter.com/HeatherElvis/status/353788524304142336

 

[CharlieJ]

I have not caught up with thread #13, but I see that SM had been named in a MSM article now: http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_9e6c8c96-8cec-11e3-ab97-001a4bcf6878.html

"...one of four such complaints filed from the household of Sidney Moorer.

Moorer, 38, is the man previously identified in police records as having a relationship history with Heather Elvis, according to police records obtained by the Carolina Forest Chronicle."

 

[Hatfield]

Twitter removes metadata, so if I understand what you're saying, posting a pic doesn't reveal where you are/were. Some of the other social media sites do this as well.

I suppose it depends on what application you use to send the picture. If you just send the pic as a text message attachment, it may stay so long as your camera was the type that would develop the GPS info in the first place.

It gets very confusing :floorlaugh:

 

[Rochestergirl]

Apologies if this has already been posted......

Four harassment complaints filed since Heather Elvis reported missing
http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_9e6c8c96-8cec-11e3-ab97-001a4bcf6878.html

Snipped by me from above link.


"Terry Elvis, father of Heather Elvis, is mentioned in three of the reports – twice as an “other entity” and once as a “suspect.”

In one report, a witness said Terry Elvis took pictures of the Moorer home, placed missing persons posters near the residence and made threats.

Two other reports said Elvis has been driving by Moorer’s house on several occasions.
Elvis also couldn’t be reached for comment."

How dare her father search for her, definately warrants a harrassment complaint. Its hard to imagine that they tried to get TE arrested as well. This article completely clears up why BB and GS were arrested now. Hopefully their day will come when their reports against other will no longer have to be followed up on. If they are innocent they should be working on clearing their name not having missing person's family and friends arrested.

 

[passionflower]

Is it true that there are 31 missing people in the MB area???
and 4 UNIDENTIFIED DOES???

 

[NewYork625]

The mother is known to visit a friend at the beach near Hwy 544 in Socastee area.
http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/24623...ice-searching-for-missing-mother-and-daughter

83 miles (an hour and a half) from Bennettsville, SC to Socastee, SC

...and the Peachtree boat landing (PTL) is in Socastee.

 

[imamaze]

I certainly understand how TE is feeling at this point. I know he is trying to do everything he can to find his daughter and bring her home. I understand all of that.

The Moorer's have not been named suspects or persons of interest. In my opinion they need to let law enforcement handle this. The two guys arrested for obstruction is hurting this investigation. IF TE is driving by the M's home on several occasions putting up missing posters and making threats then that too is hurting this investigation imo.

I think TE thinks its helping but its not... its really not. What the two guys did is not helping to find Heather, its just not...

 

[Hatfield]

It does seem to be getting a little ridiculous with all the missing people lately from that general area.

 

[CharlieJ]

Re the waterway at PTL, the land across the water from the landing where her car was found, what is that soil like? Is it marshy & moist, or is it solid? If its marshy, I wonder if an airboat has been utilized, one that can glide over land much like a hovercraft is capable of.

That area was searched more than one time early on. I know for certain they took dogs in to several small islands and land masses around the landing. Also, some ground searchers walked at least a few of the areas accessible only by boat.

And until I finished catching up...

<snipped>
ie the tattoos are huge identifiers, why not release those in the beginning.
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I identified her tattoos (except the possible one on her thigh) very early one -- first or second thread iteration. So, at least here that information has been available for some time now.

 

[passionflower]

I have not caught up with thread #13, but I see that SM had been named in a MSM article now: http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_9e6c8c96-8cec-11e3-ab97-001a4bcf6878.html

"...one of four such complaints filed from the household of Sidney Moorer.

Moorer, 38, is the man previously identified in police records as having a relationship history with Heather Elvis, according to police records obtained by the Carolina Forest Chronicle."

Since SM has been in MSM are we allowed to sleuth him???

 

[lovinlife83]

Is it true that there are 31 missing people in the MB area???
and 4 UNIDENTIFIED DOES???

We have 26 in this article plus Zach, Heather, Angie and 4 unidentified does

According to the website – findthemissing.org- a list dating back to the 1980s includes 26 people currently missing from our area, but does not include Heather Elvis or Zack Malinowski.
http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/24502751/demanding-changes-to-missing-persons-cases-in-horry-county

Add to this the 2 newest that may or may not have been in this area (article was vague)

 

[SharetheLight]

Here is how I see a breakdown of responsibility.
TM, SM, and HE all made lifestyle choices. They made these choices fully aware of other responsibilities they had in their lives. IF a marriage dissolved as a result of the relationship between SM and HE, then all three adults are equally to blame for all the effects the fallout had on those around them.
This did not happen.
What did happen is one person has disappeared. IF either one or both part(s) of a married couple made this happen, then he/she/they are responsible for all of the effects of the fallout of THIS decision on everyone around them. And IMO the person who no longer has a voice and cannot be found is the biggest victim.
I think culpability for the effects of divorce versus culpability for the effects of making someone disappear are different and cannot be compared.
When HE made a choice to see a married man she obviously knew there were risks and potential for people to be hurt. The ones who are hurting now are not hurting because HE decided to date a married man. They are hurting because someone chose to make HE disappear and the effects of THAT choice are raining down. This is not a choice Heather made nor do I think it's one she could have likely foreseen. MOO
TE, the community, people, are not angry and driving by someone's home because HE was dating a married man. They are angry and driving by someone's home because they believe someone in that home knows where HE is. These are the actions that are causing distress on those around SM and TM, not the fallout of an affair. This is the fallout of people believing someone in their home caused HE to disappear.
Hopefully I've made my point without crossing the line.

 

[CC880]

I know this sounds ridiculous and I know it's the first thing the family or LE searched but

HE had to have owned a computer or laptop

A lot of her SM was not all done by her phone IMO

And you'd think the missing clues would be there

Legally obtaining HE text transcripts you would think would give what's needed for an offical POI ???

Yes I have several years of LE experience and I am only able to see information available through the public and media outlets

But this case sure is getting stranger by the day.