SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #14

[magnolia]

**communications**

Based on this last meeting today LE did not say these were calls taking place until 6 am did they? We know of one call that Sidney made to HE and presumably that was hours prior. SM stated he last spoke to HE in that call. I see no reason to presume there were other calls back-and-forth between them to suggest he was lying unless I missed something. Please let me know if so.

I wonder if SM's only call to her was in fact just that one call. It would upset her because SM told her to stop calling him...and she was upset from what BW had stated. Her posts on Tumblr which appear to have happened around that time frame lead me to believe she was heartbroken. I know BW stated HE said SM was leaving his wife, but her Tumblr posts and the "seems upset" statements are more aligned to someone saying it's over.

Her tumblr posts also give me the feeling she was desperate to have him back.

Wouldn't it seem realistic to think she would have continued to call him and he ignored the calls or he did the pick-up, hang-up thing? If someone's heartbroken and ignored I can also see them sending texts, private messages, anything to get that persons attention...including driving to a nearby place within the vicinity of that person's home.

We're all entitled to our opinions and I feel comfortable with saying I do see this as a real possibility between HE and SM where HE could have been so desperate to drive over to PTL in hopes of getting SM to come out and "just talk" to her. Maybe the texts or private messages which have not been disclosed were telling SM she was going there and asking him to meet her. Maybe that's why LE has every reason to believe she drove herself.

Maybe SM responded to texts or pm's with "no" or maybe he eventually did go out that night at her request, but maybe he didn't. If those communications (texts, pm's) were between HE and SM consistently until 6 then it's what's said in them that will shed light on things. They could prove whether SM ever left his home. Unfortunately, I do not think we will know much of what's in them at this point.

I don't think TE knows what was in any PM's. He couldn't without logins to those specific accounts or without a court order. If TE seen it were texts, then he wouldn't have known the content in them either, not unless he had installed a hidden app on the phone that collects that information. (which is legal if he owns the phone)

Still, whether knowing or not knowing, I can see his anger based on ongoing texts between the two.

I wonder if someone were to delete text-like communication from their phone, even if they were deleted before any questioning and even if they contained no proof of that person being involved in a disappearance, would that be seen as not being cooperative if that same person denied having their phone examined?

**Just before hitting submit I noticed someone had stated the 3:41 call was from SM...is that fact? I'd wondered if were HE calling someone...even if it were calling SM...it doesn't mean he answered or spoke to her.

Aeronomy, I agree with your post--BBM. HE upset because the OMM told her to leave him alone better fits the reaction. I think he may be telling the truth. He did tell HE to leave him alone. Also, I have always thought HE drove herself to PTL.

Police have executed more than a dozen search warrants, administered polygraph examinations and fielded hundreds of tips from the public, investigators say.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crim...a4bcf6878.html
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We don't know who has taken a polygraph and passed.

 

[imamaze]

We have no suspects or person's of interest, no one can be discussed in this manner. This includes OM and OMW.

 

[SharetheLight]

When you read the article and you take out information in the article that wasn't obtained directly from the interview, you find that between the police chief and the investigator only three names were brought up:
HE
SS
SM

 

[SharetheLight]

If so, the PMs ended around 2AM, cuz FB is social media.

But, I've never heard anybody call texts PMs. Everyone says I'll text you. Text your dad. Be sure to send me a text.



I just read a post where they referred to IM's - now I have to go back and look.

The reporter stated, "private messages not previously reported". So, PMs.

IMO They did not state when PMs ended.

Here is the quote:
". . . that scenario doesn't appear a likely explanation for Elvis' disappearance since her social media posts seemed to abruptly cease shortly after 2 a.m. Dec. 18."

Social media posts ceased shortly after 2am on 12/18.
Posts are things you put "out there" for an audience. PMs are not posts. IMO

 

[paris_paris]

On my phone, I think of PM's as being MSN or BBM. Any kind of messenger service.

 

[cluciano63]

Private messages could even include any twitter posted that is not viewable to the public, IMO. Didn't it seem that she stopped posting on the public account prior to December 17?

I think LE has to include the possibility of "run away" for any missing adult without a crime scene, witness or a confession. Any defense attorney could make a case that she ran off in despair. Several posters seems to think this is possible, why not jurors? I get the feeling SM's wife would willingly get on the stand and make Heather out to be an obsessed, depressed stalker-type.

I hope more extensive searching is planned...I absolutely cannot see a case for murder being made without finding her body.

JMO obviously...

 

[jellybeanz]

Hmmm... Maybe I should spray the snow green up here in Maine - give the place the illusion of springtime.

All kidding aside, someone called Heather soon after she got home from the date. Was someone watching for her?

Choked me up thinking Heather, just upset and crying, driving herself to PTL alone and quite vulnerable. Whoever was meeting her there most likely knew of her fragile state of mind too.

BBM
I've thought that from the beginning. The timescales are just too narrow for it not to be.

I agree-no new revelations. I work w/HOLES. My logic is if ex hasn't been ruled out & still stating "he will find her" maybe the fact that was repeated yet not emphasized might mean restating the obvious & not discounting any previous statement. Kinda like a hint or maybe even a Look here. Or maybe a team effort with ex &?? Kinda like my enemy's enemy is my friend :moo:

A 'hint' or a 'look here' to whom exactly?

I think I get who you mean by the ??.
Inserting that into the 'enemy's enemy is my friend' confuses me though. That's 3 people right?
OMW and the ex boyfriend (not OM) and Heather, or am I totally missing your point?

 

[Just K]

The link to her tumbler doesn't work. Does anyone have a working link?

 

[imamaze]

The link to her tumbler doesn't work. Does anyone have a working link?

Is it this link Just K?

http://hazy-dayys.tumblr.com/rss

She's very good at the poems she writes, she must get that from her Dad.

ETA... I know not all of them are poems she wrote but it looks like the one about a first kiss is by her, could be wrong though.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I just wanted to post this map from Margarita25 in the first thread that shows the cell towers in MB. Perhaps someone with better skills than I can figure out which tower(s) Heather's phone would likely ping from with the info that we know.

http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Myrtle-Beach-South-Carolina.html

 

[Just K]

How do you see the time stamp on the December 18th Tumblr posts? It is not easy to figure out if you don't know the format.

eta: Nevermind I found peter's post
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[Topcat]

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html

Everything indicates that she drove there," added Lt. Chip Squires with Horry County police, the lead county investigator. "We do not have anything that indicates she did not drive there."

[BBM]

I think this quote from the lead investigator is very strong, especially since LE has barely said a word of substantial information.

How they can be so certain, I don't know, but I read this as unequivocal.

This investigation is based on proven facts. So unless something is prove otherwise, HE drove to PTL. HE might have runaway. HE had a conversation with Sidney Moorer on the morning she disappeared.Stephen Schiraldi was the last person who saw Heather before she disappeared ,he took a polygraph,passed and has been cleared as a suspect. BW had a conversation with HE and gave a statement to LE. No further information has been released by law enforcement except what was contained in a police report ,SM pages have been searched as well as private accounts,texts,etc. have been investigated and search warrants were issued for houses and properties.
Question: Was the "phone use till 6 am" a statement released by LE?

 

[Hatfield]

Private messages could even include any twitter posted that is not viewable to the public, IMO. Didn't it seem that she stopped posting on the public account prior to December 17?

I think LE has to include the possibility of "run away" for any missing adult without a crime scene, witness or a confession. Any defense attorney could make a case that she ran off in despair. Several posters seems to think this is possible, why not jurors? I get the feeling SM's wife would willingly get on the stand and make Heather out to be an obsessed, depressed stalker-type.

I hope more extensive searching is planned...I absolutely cannot see a case for murder being made without finding her body.

JMO obviously...

I too hope that a huge search effort is going on to search for her. She needs to be found. The only way I see a case being successful without finding her is if they found a bloody crime scene with her blood type and other evidence.
Sorry so gory.

We have to find her.

Where? Im still thinking pretty close to the landing within a 5 mile radius and I am still thinking water sinking with weights over a ground dumping. The time frame just seems so short and I think it was well planned. So either she was weighted down and sunk or somone had access to a certain spot that was just right. Like under a huge pile of gravel using a backhoe or something along those lines. I have a hard time beleiving she was just dumped in the woods in a shallow grave. If any sort of grave was used, I think it was a deep type hole using some sort of equipment to do it and not just a shovel.

All JMO of course.

 

[Hap]

This has gone on so long. Scary that with all the clues of the phone calls, her past relationships, SM, etc there has still not been an arrest.

TE must be beyond frustrated.

 

[imamaze]

Is it this link Just K?

http://hazy-dayys.tumblr.com/rss

She's very good at the poems she writes, she must get that from her Dad.

ETA... I know not all of them are poems she wrote but it looks like the one about a first kiss is by her, could be wrong though.

Ahhhhh... I see she didn't write it, it was wrote by someone else. It sure does explain a first kiss though,

Ima

 

[cuteemoshannon]

So I'm not fully caught up but I did check out Heather's tumblr. Was the anorexia already talked about or is it off limits? I'm on my phone so it's impossible to search all the threads. I don't think it is pertinent information in this case so I don't want to discuss it, I just wanted to see if anything was said about it. Feel free to delete mods if it is off limits.
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[SharetheLight]

I too hope that a huge search effort is going on to search for her. She needs to be found. The only way I see a case being successful without finding her is if they found a bloody crime scene with her blood type and other evidence.

Sorry so gory.



We have to find her.



Where? Im still thinking pretty close to the landing within a 5 mile radius and I am still thinking water sinking with weights over a ground dumping. The time frame just seems so short and I think it was well planned. So either she was weighted down and sunk or somone had access to a certain spot that was just right. Like under a huge pile of gravel using a backhoe or something along those lines. I have a hard time beleiving she was just dumped in the woods in a shallow grave. If any sort of grave was used, I think it was a deep type hole using some sort of equipment to do it and not just a shovel.



All JMO of course.

I think of the timeframe as too big. She talked to roommate at 1:44. So I'm sure LE knows where she was then based on cell pings. After that . . .we don't know where Heather was or who was using her phone. She could have driven to the landing anytime after 2:15?? Depends upon the duration of her call to roommate. I'm confident that LE knows where she was while talking to roommate.
So we have from approximately 2:15on 12/18 until 6 or 7pm on 12/19 before anyone starts asking any questions.
Unless Heather spoke via phone call to someone after her roommate we don't know when she went missing.
Anyone could have used her phone after that.
So with that I'm thinking Heather could be pretty far away. I initially thought close to the landing but if she met with foul play, someone had a lot of time to deal with things.

 

[Hatfield]

Ahhhhh... I see she didn't write it, it was wrote by someone else. It sure does explain a first kiss though,

Ima

One of my all-time favorite songs below

Foreigner - Feels Like The First Time HD - YouTube

 

[StarryNight]

On my phone, I think of PM's as being MSN or BBM. Any kind of messenger service.

I think the reason they chose to call them "PM's" in the press is because it doesn't really narrow things down for those of us following the case (they aren't saying "direct message" so we'd know it was Twitter or "online chat" so we'd know it was a messenger-type service or FB chat). "PM" makes it more vague for us, but you know that LE knows exactly where the chats took place and who the chats were between.

I consider a PM pretty much any type of communication on social media that isn't out there for the general public to see, and can only be seen by those involved in the convo.

 

[Hatfield]

I think of the timeframe as too big. She talked to roommate at 1:44. So I'm sure LE knows where she was then based on cell pings. After that . . .we don't know where Heather was or who was using her phone. She could have driven to the landing anytime after 2:15?? Depends upon the duration of her call to roommate. I'm confident that LE knows where she was while talking to roommate.
So we have from approximately 2:15on 12/18 until 6 or 7pm on 12/19 before anyone starts asking any questions.
Unless Heather spoke via phone call to someone after her roommate we don't know when she went missing.
Anyone could have used her phone after that.
So with that I'm thinking Heather could be pretty far away. I initially thought close to the landing but if she met with foul play, someone had a lot of time to deal with things.

I do agree she could be farrer away than what I am thinking. Its JMO that I feel she is relatively close to the landing. Been thinking about how a certain person probably knew that area very well and the comfort zone of knowing the area. Thinking they probably had an ideal spot in mind for quite awhile and when the time came that morning, they just used the spot.

But you are right that they had the opportunity to go much farther. If she was removed from the area, then it is probably many miles and probably another spot the perp(s) had been to before and knew was just right.

ETA: For some reason, I keep thinking water and weights. Nothing to base it on other than seeing so much water around the landing and the many small creeks and holding ponds around the gravel pits areas. Some ponds were quite large.