SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #14

[Ghostwheel]

His actions weren't successful, he didn't have his car keys, the men could have had a gun, and they sound like lowlife jerks thinking they're funny because they are obviously morons or drug addicts with zero brain cells left.
Is it wise to stoop to their level?

Wise doesn't enter into it when you think your family is in danger for some of us. Some of us simply do what we think we need to do to protect them.

He'd be wasting time going after them, could get himself killed (and he has other children) and, whatever actions he took, didn't result in their identities being uncovered or specific information about the jeep such as plate info.

I have to disagree, as I have gone after someone who decided to run over my lawn, barely missing my children. I only chased long enough to get a picture and plate, then called it in. So it might not have been a waste of time if TE had better seen where the vehicle was going. That's a judgement call by whomever is in whatever situation they are in.

If the idea is that people are justified when they act from their emotions, I don't agree with that opinion.

As is your right. I, on the other hand, sometimes agree with that opinion, although I would disagree that this was acting on emotions. JMO on that one.

Do I think it was a horrible thing to say? Of course I do but TE needs to be careful before something else really bad happens imo.

You know, if I had one child missing, and another one had been threatened, careful for myself just wouldn't enter into it. It really wouldn't. I understand that it probably would for some other people, but we're all different. IMO, TE needs to do what he needs to do so that he can look himself in the mirror every morning and know he is doing the best he can do in this sad time. IMO, any man would.

 

[Snowyowl]

I kinda think the only way HE would leave of her own volition would be to go with someone (only someone I can think of is SM and he's still around- why would she be going on a new date if she were planning on going away with someone else?) or if she was running away from someone. There do seem to be some questionable characters around who she may have been scared of. Say, someone who had already threatened or even hurt her. Someone like that might seem to be capable of much worse than beating someone up. But, if this were the case, I don't think she would have disappeared completely. I think she would have just gotten far away from that person. And then continued with her connections via SM. And why bother signing up to take a new job? Nope. Nothing about the leaving on her own makes a lick of sense to me.

except considering Heather was petite it probably wouldn't take too much of a beating to go overboard & kill...then you'd have to dispose of the body-also made easier because of her small size-easily fit into a trunk or container (I believe those big Rubbermaids are still referred to as "coffins")
Look at all the damage supposedly done with a fall down the stairs??
Agree about leaving,it seems like she was starting to get her life together and had everything to hope for. But that might also upset whomever,who'd want to hang on to the "old" Heather. There are some type of people who refuse to break away and want you for the way you were.

 

[nosysw]

except considering Heather was petite it probably wouldn't take too much of a beating to go overboard & kill...then you'd have to dispose of the body-also made easier because of her small size-easily fit into a trunk or container (I believe those big Rubbermaids are still referred to as "coffins")
Look at all the damage supposedly done with a fall down the stairs??
Agree about leaving,it seems like she was starting to get her life together and had everything to hope for. But that might also upset whomever,who'd want to hang on to the "old" Heather. There are some type of people who refuse to break away and want you for the way you were.

I didn't mean someone couldn't disappear her...I meant I don't think her being afraid of someone would make her leave, and drop off the radar screen. I just think if she was leaving because she was afraid of someone, she would just move a "safe" distance from them and resume her life without cutting herself off from friends and loved ones.

I do agree that if she wanted to move on, someone might be upset. Someone else would probably be happy about it, and have less motive to harm her, kwim?

 

[Snowyowl]

Sorry for the O/T, kinf of, but do you think the storage places in Myrtle Beach have been checked out? I wonder if anyone has one that knows Heather? My apologies, just thought of that. Myrtle Beach has a lot of them when I searched via google.

Whoever did this had quite a while until Heather being missing was ever determined. Lot's of time. I'm afraid she might be found in any number of states.

(I'm sick so go easy on me or ignore, please and thank you).

I suspect there are also boat storage facilities. In one of the earliest threads someone mentioned facilities fully accessible by water. Since she was at the landing a boat might make for a less obvious form of transport?? Not to mention at this time of year there wouldn't be too many boaters around?

 

[paris_paris]

Just... about the plates. Somewhere it said that TE thought the jeep didn't have any tags. Or registration? I've forgotten the exact wording. I'll find the article.

eta this article

http://www.wbtw.com/story/24665012/father-of-missing-woman

 

[Rochestergirl]

I didn't mean someone couldn't disappear her...I meant I don't think her being afraid of someone would make her leave, and drop off the radar screen. I just think if she was leaving because she was afraid of someone, she would just move a "safe" distance from them and resume her life without cutting herself off from friends and loved ones.

I do agree that if she wanted to move on, someone might be upset. Someone else would probably be happy about it, and have less motive to harm her, kwim?

IMHO I don't believe Heather ran away. She had her own place so who was she running from? Also if she was afraid wouldnt' she move home with her father; why would she go off by herself with no one to protect her if someone ran after her?

 

[nosysw]

IMHO I don't believe Heather ran away. She had her own place so who was she running from? Also if she was afraid wouldnt' she move home with her father; why would she go off by herself with no one to protect her if someone ran after her?

Oh, I agree...I don't think she ran off at all. I was playing devil's advocate bringing up the only reasons (in an earlier post) that I thought it could be plausible, but then dispelling them. Because, I really don't think it's plausible. Possible? Yes. But highly, highly doubtful.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

I could see "not previously reported" including messages from people who hadn't even been on their radar before, not just from people they knew about who didn't want to share information.

And, I see it as not being previously available to LE as I was eluding to in my previous post quoting that statement.

My thoughts were that LE had only recently obtained access to IM/Messaging/TXT Messages (whether older than 12/18/13 OR possibly deleted AND from multiple accounts) in which new info became available hence, "not previously reported".

For a subpoena for someone who has "lawyer'd up" or from a social media company with Lawyers involved, there would most likely be some lag time obtaining access to that information.

All IMO of course.


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[Rochestergirl]

Oh, I agree...I don't think she ran off at all. I was playing devil's advocate bringing up the only reasons (in an earlier post) that I thought it could be plausible, but then dispelling them. Because, I really don't think it's plausible. Possible? Yes. But highly, highly doubtful.

Sorry I didn't think you thought that either. Alot of posters are using it still as a possibility when the police have stated it is as (I'm paraphrasing here) not likely. I just wanted to give my opinion on it, and used your post to jump off. :blushing:

 

[Snowyowl]

Good catch on the wording in bold. I missed the importance of that part. What was it that was said early on by LE? Something to the effect that some parties were not admitting to contact with HE.

Maybe LE was initially investigating on their own & might not have been aware of different ways of communicating in social media? I believe the FBI has specialists in that field,as well as more comprehensive access..
Wise move on LE's part going with experienced hands. Maybe they can also help them keep their web pages updated??:twocents:

 

[carbuff]

And, I see it as not being previously available to LE as I was eluding to in my previous post quoting that statement.

My thoughts were that LE had only recently obtained access to IM/Messaging/TXT Messages (whether older than 12/18/13 OR possibly deleted AND from multiple accounts) in which new info became available hence, "not previously reported".

For a subpoena for someone who has "lawyer'd up" or from a social media company with Lawyers involved, there would most likely be some lag time obtaining access to that information.

All IMO of course.


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I'm sure that's some of what they found. I just don't think it's necessarily limited to OM.

For one thing, I think if there were more messages from OM, they wouldn't have issues about not arresting him.

 

[jeandrews]

I suspect there are also boat storage facilities. In one of the earliest threads someone mentioned facilities fully accessible by water. Since she was at the landing a boat might make for a less obvious form of transport?? Not to mention at this time of year there wouldn't be too many boaters around?

Map/pic of Peachtree Landing: http://bit.ly/M0DhBc

Here is a map/picture of Peachtree Landing and WYSIWYG - no boat storage - just a paved ramp and paved parking lot. A very small mobile home park is up a steep hill on the left. It looks barren because it is barren, and remote, and unlit except by the moon. Only has one small, two-lane road in and out. And in the middle of Nothing. Only locals would know it. All MOO except the map link.

 

[CarolinaAsh]

Okay I kind of skimmed because a lot of stuff was being rehashed or argued. So I'm snipping out the bits I am responding to.

"Heather was first, M is next."
http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=1004566

Are people speaking the same language in and around Myrtle Beach? :banghead:

I hope TE dialed 911 immediately upon entering his office. His phone and car keys were inside his office. The carolina article states that's why he went inside his office.

The first source, when we heard about the incident, stated TE tried to follow them. wth?

The faulty communication in this case is bazaar.

No. Short answer, No. This place is home to a bunch of immigrants. I know that's not what you meant but seriously. They translated the flyer into Spanish just to reach one of the larger groups. Also you have people transplanted from the north vs. the southern dialect, as well as from Canada, and for some reason.. Russia.

As for the in and out and following. Every time I've seen his shop on the news being open it's had a sandwich board out front with a sign for HE. I'm guessing he was closing up, came out to get it, got yelled at, ran in to grab his keys and phone to try and call LE while following them so they wouldn't get lost exactly like they have. Following them so he could see a tag (which it didn't have) OR tell 911 where they went until LE could catch up and take over.

and Why?? kidnapped? drugs? doesn't sound like routine, does it?

Oh this was about federal agents wasn't it? Someone asked when they came, that I can't really answer but I am pretty sure I read it in MSM before the issue with Gov. Haley. However, don't forget that when this started, 2 other women went missing the next week. Plus BD, AB, etc. FBI could have come because of thinking there was a SK.

In all honesty, I wouldn't find that odd if that was something he did. I think I would have tried to follow them...calling LE and providing tag info in the process.

See above.

FBI and the US Marshall's office both have branches whose main job is to provide support when requested by state/local law enforcement agencies. Frequently this involves providing specialized expertise, so in this case it wouldn't surprise me if local LE asked for assistance in tracking and analyzing the social media and other electronic content.

Maybe LE was initially investigating on their own & might not have been aware of different ways of communicating in social media? I believe the FBI has specialists in that field,as well as more comprehensive access..
Wise move on LE's part going with experienced hands. Maybe they can also help them keep their web pages updated??:twocents:

Another excellent idea both of you. So whatever brought them here, probably was a most excellent development since the local LE is gonna need their resources to comb through what seems to have become a disaster.

Sidenote: As I finished this Charleston's CBS station just started talking about HE being missing, and how a Fitness Center down there is doing a 24 hr Fitness Marathon to raise money for the Find Heather Elvis Fund. I keep seeing more and more fundraisers which is really touching of the community. I hope that the case resolves soon so that not all that funding is used and maybe the rest can be used to help find someone else too. (Also yes, on my cable I get 2 CBS channels. The one out of Charleston and the one out of MB. It's good to know Charleston is reporting about it too! Also thanks Charleston-ites for being so supportive!) Here's a link to the website for the channel. It was just on their 11pm news at about 11:15 or so, video is not up yet but hopefully it will be soon. http://www.live5news.com/

 

[SharetheLight]

"Rhodes said about 15 search warrants have been issued since Elvis was reported missing. Through the warrants police have searched Elvis social media accounts, including private messages not previously reported. The contents of those messages have not been released."

The lean (BBM) toward "not previously reported" as meaning the person who she was pm'ing was not forthcoming about this, same as I read in the PR where we discussed the wording of if PR stated directly after saying he last saw HE in October or later as in he had to pull it out of him (so to speak). If the person was forthcoming about the PM's LE would have been able to read them on the lst visit. "Here officer, see I was trying to tell her not to call me anymore, blah, blah." So it definitely sounds like someone is hiding something and in a possible murder investigation I wouldn't think your wife would be your first concern. JMO

When I saw the quote about PMs not previously reported. I assumed it meant that when someone was asked about communications they answered and when the results of the search warrant came back LE found messages not previously reported by that someone. But others have offered up equally compelling explanations.
I don't know I just immediately felt the comment meant someone had not been forthcoming but LE got the info anyway.
The word "reported" gives me this feeling because I thought hmmm reported? Reported by who?

 

[PeterThomasFan]

I'm sure that's some of what they found. I just don't think it's necessarily limited to OM.



For one thing, I think if there were more messages from OM, they wouldn't have issues about not arresting him.

Agree.


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[carbuff]

When I saw the quote about PMs not previously reported. I assumed it meant that when someone was asked about communications they answered and when the results of the search warrant came back LE found messages not previously reported by that someone. But others have offered up equally compelling explanations.
I don't know I just immediately felt the comment meant someone had not been forthcoming but LE got the info anyway.
The word "reported" gives me this feeling because I thought hmmm reported? Reported by who?

I guess it depends on whether you think they meant "messages not reported by someone who should have mentioned them" or the broader "messages nobody knew about."

I guess we'll find out...some day...

 

[cluciano63]

I thought Le meant postings and/or messages other than the tumblr posts previously reported. I.e. maybe some posts on a private twitter, etc

 

[KayBeDeBe]

Map/pic of Peachtree Landing: http://bit.ly/M0DhBc

Here is a map/picture of Peachtree Landing and WYSIWYG - no boat storage - just a paved ramp and paved parking lot. A very small mobile home park is up a steep hill on the left. It looks barren because it is barren, and remote, and unlit except by the moon. Only has one small, two-lane road in and out. And in the middle of Nothing. Only locals would know it. All MOO except the map link.

It is still pretty dark at 6:00am this time of year, right?

 

[Hatfield]

When I saw the quote about PMs not previously reported. I assumed it meant that when someone was asked about communications they answered and when the results of the search warrant came back LE found messages not previously reported by that someone. But others have offered up equally compelling explanations.
I don't know I just immediately felt the comment meant someone had not been forthcoming but LE got the info anyway.
The word "reported" gives me this feeling because I thought hmmm reported? Reported by who?

I agree.

I interpreted the initial Police Report and the way things were stated that the person was not forthcoming with info. I just took it that some info had to be pulled out of him and only after he was confronted with a known fact about phone records.

If it was not the case, then I just dont think it would have been written the way it was. I think it would have been written more matter of factly like "Contacted Subject and subject sated da da da da da." It wasnt stated much like that to me.

Its JMO of the way I took things. I am sure it can be interpreted different ways.

 

[Dee10]

I never really believed that LE made a mistake in accidentally released the non-redacted PR. They have been really silent until this news update. They basically indicated they have a POI IMO, which I was very surprised and wonder why, because I found it very unusual. It makes me think that person has lawyered up or is no longer cooperating, so I speculate they are applying pressure and letting the bus roll & the gloves are off (as best they can).