SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #14

[lovinlife83]

This is not my first missing person case, but this is my first missing person case where the physical description of the tattoos have never been given. I have seen a list of her eye color, hair, weight, but not tattoos, and that isn't normal. It's not. I am not going to use the words hiding. I find it odd. Every missing person I know has had them listed and have followed many on here, FB, and with locally with my family in LE. I don't pass any of her fliers the family made around because last I looked they had the wrong number, which was not LE. The wrong date the car was found abandoned, according yo LE. Some of the pictures are so old. So, to help, someone created something with the correct date, LE phone number, tattoos, newer pictures, and is waiting on LE approval to use. Jmo.

I understand what you're saying - totally valid point.
Imo, I believe the missing posters have LE's number as well as TE's because we have such a large illegal population here in MB. I think there are a large number of people here who don't feel comfortable calling LE to give a tip when they feel they might be questioned or draw attention to themselves. Also, some have called the tip number and gotten voicemail instead of a person. I think the family wanted to be sure that there was an option there for anonymous tips that could be taken day or night without worry.

I recently had to make an anonymous tip about something (totally unrelated to this) and got a voicemail, I hung up…I called back and got voicemail again, I really didn't want to leave info on the voicemail, and I didn't want to give my number to call back. I ended up creating a new email address to send my anonymous tip in - I never got a response. A few days later I finally got thru to a person to give them my tip. I'm glad I was persistent enough to keep calling back, but I don't think most people would be. I have nothing to hide but I was protecting the person I got the info from (it would affect their job).

 

[Snowyowl]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwheel View Post
I guess I'm not following along with what you are following along with. The first I heard about the 20 minutes was on the blog radio show:
Peter Hyatt (Is that correct?) : "Was it fair to say that the police have…have, um… the police indicated that something happened to Heather against her will?"

Terry Elvis: "At this..at this date…In the beginning, in the very beginning...the first 20 minutes…in the very beginning, they thought it was a walk away because the majority of the ones that happen in Myrtle Beach are just that. They’re walk aways. But it became abundantly clear after the first 20 minutes that was not the case."

That was following a question about the phone calls, the implication being that they were damaging to someone involved in the phone calls.

I haven't heard/read anything about 20 minutes being a public claim, just this one by TE, so if you have another reference to that, TIA. Maybe I'm having a stupid moment and not understanding what you are saying here.

I think once you put it on the internet to the public, it's pretty public.

I believe calls initially referencing were in the original TE piece on exojane which has since been "updated".
What I still don't understand is IF according to TE they knew something within the first 20 minutes...why did they let TE drive the car home? I would have refused for fear of compromising an investigation? If an officer was there why wouldn't he call for the car to be impounded??

 

[PPKik]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwheel View Post
I guess I'm not following along with what you are following along with. The first I heard about the 20 minutes was on the blog radio show:
Peter Hyatt (Is that correct?) : "Was it fair to say that the police have…have, um… the police indicated that something happened to Heather against her will?"

Terry Elvis: "At this..at this date…In the beginning, in the very beginning...the first 20 minutes…in the very beginning, they thought it was a walk away because the majority of the ones that happen in Myrtle Beach are just that. They’re walk aways. But it became abundantly clear after the first 20 minutes that was not the case."

That was following a question about the phone calls, the implication being that they were damaging to someone involved in the phone calls.

I haven't heard/read anything about 20 minutes being a public claim, just this one by TE, so if you have another reference to that, TIA. Maybe I'm having a stupid moment and not understanding what you are saying here.





I believe calls initially referencing were in the original TE piece on exojane which has since been "updated".
What I still don't understand is IF according to TE they knew something within the first 20 minutes...why did they let TE drive the car home? I would have refused for fear of compromising an investigation? If an officer was there why wouldn't he call for the car to be impounded??

That's exactly what I am thinking right now. Nothing was clarified and even more questions came up for me.

 

[jillycat]

That's exactly what I am thinking right now. Nothing was clarified and even more questions came up for me.

I believe this is what characterizes this case.

 

[hockeymom4]

I understand what you're saying - totally valid point.
Imo, I believe the missing posters have LE's number as well as TE's because we have such a large illegal population here in MB. I think there are a large number of people here who don't feel comfortable calling LE to give a tip when they feel they might be questioned or draw attention to themselves. Also, some have called the tip number and gotten voicemail instead of a person. I think the family wanted to be sure that there was an option there for anonymous tips that could be taken day or night without worry.

I recently had to make an anonymous tip about something (totally unrelated to this) and got a voicemail, I hung up…I called back and got voicemail again, I really didn't want to leave info on the voicemail, and I didn't want to give my number to call back. I ended up creating a new email address to send my anonymous tip in - I never got a response. A few days later I finally got thru to a person to give them my tip. I'm glad I was persistent enough to keep calling back, but I don't think most people would be. I have nothing to hide but I was protecting the person I got the info from (it would affect their job).

The missing posters have both numbers on. IMO, it has nothing to do with illegals, but TE wanting to be sure he knows the tips. Also, illegals should feel great about the voicemail tip line as it's anonymous. That's the whole point. They also have an email, anonymous. Most people will not make two phone calls. ALL tips should be reported to LE as LE is handling the case. They handle all cases. There are main numbers to all the HCPD locations where someone will answer 8-5. I have always spoken to someone. I have a call with a Det in the morning. Think of it this way, people could be withholding information because the father wants them yo call him directly. I would never ever ever give him information. I wouldn't give it to any family member of a missing person. It is unknown who is responsible. What if someone tells him a tip, and he goes after the person because he realizes who it is... He said today that he tried to go after the men in the jeep. I am not going to have that on my hands.

 

[PPKik]

I have listened to the interview several times and at the 3:54 mark TE states the time that HE went missing and it was 3:41. Am I listening to it correctly?

I heard the same. This make no sense after what the police have said with the back and forth until 6am. It's beyond strange that some of the questions weren't addressed and only more questioned raised.

 

[Snowyowl]

The missing posters have both numbers on. IMO, it has nothing to do with illegals, but TE wanting to be sure he knows the tips. Also, illegals should feel great about the voicemail tip line as it's anonymous. That's the whole point. They also have an email, anonymous. Most people will not make two phone calls. ALL tips should be reported to LE as LE is handling the case. They handle all cases. There are main numbers to all the HCPD locations where someone will answer 8-5. I have always spoken to someone. I have a call with a Det in the morning. Think of it this way, people could be withholding information because the father wants them yo call him directly. I would never ever ever give him information. I wouldn't give it to any family member of a missing person. It is unknown who is responsible. What if someone tells him a tip, and he goes after the person because he realizes who it is... He said today that he tried to go after the men in the jeep. I am not going to have that on my hands.

Not to mention it, but didn't LE specifically state only 2 people were cleared. I'm not going by press or anyone else's word-just LE. Therefore,taking LE's word ,that means NOBODY ELSE has been cleared,NOT EVEN FAMILY.
I can understand trying to take care of things for your loved ones,BUT when it comes to LE matters I've always found to leave it best w/pros. This is their occupation & I wouldn't trust myself enuf to let my emotions get the best of me. Not to mention all the perverse troublemakers out there. After 6 weeks of this circus I'd be sucking my thumb huddled in a corner by now. And I'd know the rest of my family still needs me around.
:twocents::banghead:

 

[PPKik]

The missing posters have both numbers on. IMO, it has nothing to do with illegals, but TE wanting to be sure he knows the tips. Also, illegals should feel great about the voicemail tip line as it's anonymous. That's the whole point. They also have an email, anonymous. Most people will not make two phone calls. ALL tips should be reported to LE as LE is handling the case. They handle all cases. There are main numbers to all the HCPD locations where someone will answer 8-5. I have always spoken to someone. I have a call with a Det in the morning. Think of it this way, people could be withholding information because the father wants them yo call him directly. I would never ever ever give him information. I wouldn't give it to any family member of a missing person. It is unknown who is responsible. What if someone tells him a tip, and he goes after the person because he realizes who it is... He said today that he tried to go after the men in the jeep. I am not going to have that on my hands.

Absolutely. And LE has stated that only the date was cleared, if that has any real meaning

 

[Snowyowl]

Absolutely. And LE has stated that only the date was cleared, if that has any real meaning

I believe it was also stated that the roomie-BW was cleared?? Or was that the press???

 

[Swedishkiss]

When searching for a missing person is it standard procedure to check all cars of POIs are almost POIs? I keep thinking that someone could have put HE in the trunk of a car, bound, parked it somewhere in an out of sight location and walked away leaving her there with no way out. I know some people in this case have a lot of cars. Would anyone know if one were missing? The POI could pretend it never happened and carry on without really worrying if HE would ever be found. The car could be in a junk yard somewhere or on a large property. IMHO

 

[hockeymom4]

Not to mention it, but didn't LE specifically state only 2 people were cleared. I'm not going by press or anyone else's word-just LE. Therefore,taking LE's word ,that means NOBODY ELSE has been cleared,NOT EVEN FAMILY.
I can understand trying to take care of things for your loved ones,BUT when it comes to LE matters I've always found to leave it best w/pros. This is their occupation & I wouldn't trust myself enuf to let my emotions get the best of me. Not to mention all the perverse troublemakers out there. After 6 weeks of this circus I'd be sucking my thumb huddled in a corner by now. And I'd know the rest of my family still needs me around.
:twocents::banghead:

Actually, police said only the date has been cleared, so only one person. TE said today officially one person and he is pretty sure it's the date, but unofficially other(S) have been cleared. I choose to believe LE only. IMO, they have no reason to say who is cleared and not. TE may be referring to the roommate. Well, I never considered her to not be cleared. He may be referring to the violent ex. I will never believe that unless it comes from LE. I learned long ago, believe MSM for the most part, but really only the quotes, and listen to the facts that LE gives you. If there is nothing to go on, so be it, but it's better than following rumors.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm too tired now but saw Ghostwheel's address to me prior to logging out.
I often feel the same way you described in return so I don't know what to say except that all of my posts are my opinion only (unless I use quotes and links) and I don't come here to be rude to people.
I was a newbie and rolled with the punches and still do. I'm an oldie now (in more ways than one) but my feelings still get hurt too.

I didn't read your post before I posted a response to someone else who was insisting my post was off target or that I lack understanding.
We're instructed time and time again to scroll by posts that annoy us or are simply differences of opinion. On this thread, I've felt ganged up on for expressing observations, concerns and opinions that haven't been directed at other posters but at oddities, imo, that seem to be growing within this case.

If I've offended another poster personally, I need to know that and will apologize. I'm not going to apologize for my opinions as I don't write them for the purpose of dissing other posters. I'm expressing myself as far as my observations about the case at hand along with trying to incorporate what I've learned through other cases, other posters, and life in general.

Another point is, the subject matter on WS is crime. I try to stay in my head and not let my heart take over. Reality is, as much as I'd like to be friends with some posters here, we're on the Internet brought together by a common interest for one reason or another.

It's unfortunate I read your post right before logging off. I don't know what to make of it really. Did I mention I'm feeling ganged up on? Because I don't say imo enough or use proper acknowledgments when I'm posting an opposing point of view? Maybe I'll be perfect in my next life.

 

[Snowyowl]

Actually, police said only the date has been cleared, so only one person. TE said today officially one person and he is pretty sure it's the date, but unofficially other(S) have been cleared. I choose to believe LE only. IMO, they have no reason to say who is cleared and not. TE may be referring to the roommate. Well, I never considered her to not be cleared. He may be referring to the violent ex. I will never believe that unless it comes from LE. I learned long ago, believe MSM for the most part, but really only the quotes, and listen to the facts that LE gives you. If there is nothing to go on, so be it, but it's better than following rumors.

OK-I thot I had read in a PR that roomie was cleared?? That was the #1,#2,#3.#4,#5 one. Then again she may be cleared in reference to an alibi for location & not yet motive??Arrghh!
Rumors only lead to an endless loop of confusion. With LE in my family as well (from small and very large places) I get the drill :twocents::banghead:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I respectfully disagree that men don't think along those lines. It's more of a personality thing. I can't say whether this is the case here or not, but sometimes it has to do with delivery when posting. When posters state things as facts and forget to say IMO, JMO, etc, it comes across very harsh, almost like they are cross examining another poster. Everyone is allowed their opinion without someone trying to shout them down. The words "I am curious, why do you think that?" go a long way towards making someone think that their own opinion is valued. If someone doesn't agree with another poster, try to think about the words you post and do so respectfully. JMO and something I think we all should consider when we post.

(snipped a reply to another poster)

Forgot to attach what I replied too.

I have read reporters inserting their interpretation a thousand over. I'm older.

A person, and I've done it too, have made statements that later is clarified after an intense moment has settled down. I don't care if it's written either way, I take it as a threat to go out of your way to remove license plates, pull up to the back of a business and even mention a man's daughters names. First, second quote doesn't matter, it was their names said that would be boiling in my blood. Strangers saying your children's name? One missing? I hope they are found asap and wish this didn't even happen. Heather needs found, this jeep is all piddly chit & stupid.

[modsnip]

I'm too tired now but saw Ghostwheel's address to me prior to logging out.
I often feel the same way you described in return so I don't know what to say except that all of my posts are my opinion only (unless I use quotes and links) and I don't come here to be rude to people.
I was a newbie and rolled with the punches and still do. I'm an oldie now (in more ways than one) but my feelings still get hurt too.

I didn't read your post before I posted a response to someone else who was insisting my post was off target or that I lack understanding.
We're instructed time and time again to scroll by posts that annoy us or are simply differences of opinion. On this thread, I've felt ganged up on for expressing observations, concerns and opinions that haven't been directed at other posters but at oddities, imo, that seem to be growing within this case.

If I've offended another poster personally, I need to know that and will apologize. I'm not going to apologize for my opinions as I don't write them for the purpose of dissing other posters. I'm expressing myself as far as my observations about the case at hand along with trying to incorporate what I've learned through other cases, other posters, and life in general.

Another point is, the subject matter on WS is crime. I try to stay in my head and not let my heart take over. Reality is, as much as I'd like to be friends with some posters here, we're on the Internet brought together by a common interest for one reason or another.

It's unfortunate I read your post right before logging off. I don't know what to make of it really. Did I mention I'm feeling ganged up on? Because I don't say imo enough or use proper acknowledgments when I'm posting an opposing point of view? Maybe I'll be perfect in my next life.

bumping with relevant attachments.

 

[Aeronomy]

I have listened to the interview several times and at the 3:54 mark TE states the time that HE went missing and it was 3:41. Am I listening to it correctly?

I heard the same. This make no sense after what the police have said with the back and forth until 6am. It's beyond strange that some of the questions weren't addressed and only more questioned raised.

Yes. This too...

[00:41:51]
I’ve got a clock that’s running…every electronic device that I have and uh, it started counting on December 18th at 3:41 a.m., and it doesn’t stop. And I’m sitting here now watching the seconds tick away.
[00:42:06]

 

[Snowyowl]

Yes. This too...

[00:41:51]
I’ve got a clock that’s running…every electronic device that I have and uh, it started counting on December 18th at 3:41 a.m., and it doesn’t stop. And I’m sitting here now watching the seconds tick away.
[00:42:06]

maybe LE won't tell TE everything they know per his own admission??Maybe TE couldn't get the more detailed records & it most certainly be very upsetting for a father to find out such things?? Maybe LE dare not risk the case by upsetting TE and trying to take matters into his own hands??After all,isn't this case already a circus??
I still say,watch out for Valentines day weekend..............

 

[PPKik]

maybe LE won't tell TE everything they know per his own admission??Maybe TE couldn't get the more detailed records & it most certainly be very upsetting for a father to find out such things?? Maybe LE dare not risk the case by upsetting TE and trying to take matters into his own hands??After all,isn't this case already a circus??
I still say,watch out for Valentines day weekend..............

It's hard to know, because it seems he has taken matters into his own hands by proxy. Re Valentine's Day. That sounds very ominous.

 

[PPKik]

Yes. This too...

[00:41:51]
I’ve got a clock that’s running…every electronic device that I have and uh, it started counting on December 18th at 3:41 a.m., and it doesn’t stop. And I’m sitting here now watching the seconds tick away.
[00:42:06]

Yes. I hear you.

 

[Snowyowl]

It's hard to know, because it seems he has taken matters into his own hands by proxy. Re Valentine's Day. That's sounds very ominous.

I sure hope EVERYONE stays safe. I'd make it a habit to carry my phone on me AT ALL TIMES. Not only for easy 911 access,but also for taking quick pictures/videos on the fly.Imagine if TE had his phone handy when he was supposedly threatened by this Jeep??I always tell my kids if something happens take lots of pics/videos & send em out via email right away to a few different people. Better safe than sorry.

 

[Aeronomy]

However, when it comes to her missing and this time of 3:41 am, my guess is 3:41 indicates the end of the last call, the last time an unanswered call was dialed out or was the last time a text was sent from her phone. Unless TE received any app information from LE, that's really all he would have to go on from the phone bill/usage itself. Though he would be able to see data activity lasting until 6ish, he probably wouldn't know whether or not it were from auto-syncing or something more.

If he does know the investigative details of data activity occurring after 3:41 a.m. then I guess it's either he can't speak of it or he really knows the importance of that particular time. I don't think he's knows those details though.