SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #15

[Ghostwheel]

Could the person the article is referring to be Bill Barrett himself? Maybe the evidence he found ( then withheld) has convinced him that he has enough info to name a suspect, but LE doesn't agree and will not yet charge anyone.

^^^^ +1

 

[Rochestergirl]

I was wondering if some of the PMs LE has now gotten and not previously reported could have been between SM and TM at 6am?

 

[Ghostwheel]

This was in the article,
Heather's father, Terry Elvis, has been at the center of a massive search effort both on foot and on social media. However, those efforts have not always gotten the blessing of the Horry County Police detectives investigating the case.

Regardless if they are involved, the actions would never be condoned by LE. I would hope and I believe that they have done something, as harassment reports have been filed. What I have read with my eyes, has caused tears and me to be sick, regardless if they are guilty. We don't know if they have been cooperating. We know from LE that SM was interviewed and from TE that he is not cooperating. IF LE has enough to bring him in for more questioning, he will need to do so with his lawyer. So, i am not buying the not cooperating bit. The polygraph thing is just silly. They don't hold up in court and many who don't know him, say he is a psycho, so he can pass while lying. If they have enough circumstantial evidence they may have got warrants to search his property, phones, etc... We don't know. To say otherwise is rumor.

Again, an observation that people can be interviewed, and still not be cooperating. If LE asks if they can search your property during an interview, and you say "Get a warrant." that would be not cooperating. If you were interviewed and LE asked you a question that you would not answer (which is your right, BTW), it is still not cooperating, even if it is within your rights. Having been interviewed does not mean cooperation. IMO.

 

[MommyStephV]

A bit OT, and I realize that these people can (and probably) are everywhere, but here's an article about our local TK...http://www.klkntv.com/story/24692055/restaurant-mgr-accused-of-recording-employees-as-they-undress


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[hockeymom4]

Again, an observation that people can be interviewed, and still not be cooperating. If LE asks if they can search your property during an interview, and you say "Get a warrant." that would be not cooperating. If you were interviewed and LE asked you a question that you would not answer (which is your right, BTW), it is still not cooperating, even if it is within your rights. Having been interviewed does not mean cooperation. IMO.

Totally agree with you. LE has never stated he isn't cooperating. I found long ago, to only listen to LE, especially in this case, and therefore, there is no evidence that he is not cooperating. Doesn't mean he is and doesn't mean he isn't. But, if I repeated everything said by TE, I would saying OMM is guilty and there is no evidence stated by LE and no POI. That is my point and just my opinion.

 

[Treelights]

As an observation, I notice that the terminology is including the man many are convinced knows what happened to her. This doesn't mean that this person has never spoken out until now, though. Directly translated, this can mean we will hear from many who have never spoken out AND we will hear from the man many are convinced knows what happened to her. He has been included to be heard from with other people, and those people have not spoken out.

Just saying I have seen this type of headline before, and that is how it translated out. I am not saying that this is how this one will translate out.

I agree!

 

[EmmaRose]

A bit OT, and I realize that these people can (and probably) are everywhere, but here's an article about our local TK...http://www.klkntv.com/story/24692055/restaurant-mgr-accused-of-recording-employees-as-they-undress


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Ugh. Squirrelly dude.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Ive been trying to think of how to find HE. In order to do that certain assumptions have to be made. Like if A happened, then these are possibles and if B happened, then these are possibles.

I keep coming back to weighted down and sunk as one thing that could have happened. Again mainly due to lack of evidence found so far.

I would hope LE can use good underwater cameras and Sonar to search the waters close to the landing area and literally see the bottom. They are becoming more affordable now and you can even buy one of these for fishing. The real fancy ones are between 1K + 2K and could be used to help see what is on bottom.

Also there is a difference in actual underwater cameras and sonar. They make both. One case in Alaska used actual cameras and when they found the sunk snowmobile victim, the picture it showed left no doubt what they were looking at. Then retrieval happened after they knew he was down there.

She might not have even been weighted down. If she is deceased and was put in the water, she could have floated downstream (and gone quite a distance) and gotten stuck on something under the water. (I remember a recent case where someone's body caught in a tangle of roots by the river bank was found by a fisherman several months later)

Last night I was thinking that most bodies that are dumped in the woods are relatively close to a place where a vehicle can drive in, a greater portion being in a location where the body can be dropped over a hill/cliff edge and roll down and away from the road. This makes sense because who wants to schlep a dead body a long distance. If HE were murdered between 4am and 6 am (a guess on my part), there would be limited, if any, darkness, so the location would likely be away from any frequently used roads. Someone mentioned the beach, but I think it would have been too light at that time to make that work. Carolina Forest Road comes to mind as I look at the map, as does the area south of the end of Grahamville Rd. If she is deceased, I don't think she is more than a half hour away from PTL, but that still is an awfully large area to search.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Totally agree with you. LE has never stated he isn't cooperating. I found long ago, to only listen to LE, especially in this case, and therefore, there is no evidence that he is not cooperating. Doesn't mean he is and doesn't mean he isn't. But, if I repeated everything said by TE, I would saying OMM is guilty and there is no evidence stated by LE and no POI. That is my point and just my opinion.

Gotcha. I do find it odd that LE has not said that SM IS cooperating, though, especially after everyone bent over backwards to make sure the world knew that the date was cleared. The discrepancy makes me go hmmmm.

 

[EmmaRose]

She might not have even been weighted down. If she is deceased and was put in the water, she could have floated downstream (and gone quite a distance) and gotten stuck on something under the water. (I remember a recent case where someone's body caught in a tangle of roots by the river bank was found by a fisherman several months later)

Last night I was thinking that most bodies that are dumped in the woods are relatively close to a place where a vehicle can drive in, a greater portion being in a location where the body can be dropped over a hill/cliff edge and roll down and away from the road. This makes sense because who wants to schlep a dead body a long distance. If HE were murdered between 4am and 6 am (a guess on my part), there would be limited, if any, darkness, so the location would likely be away from any frequently used roads. Someone mentioned the beach, but I think it would have been too light at that time to make that work. Carolina Forest Road comes to mind as I look at the map, as does the area south of the end of Grahamville Rd. I don't think she is more than a half hour away f
rom PTL, but that still is an awfully large area to search.

Also, since the water is cold now, it keeps bodies from surfacing.

 

[passionflower]

cluciano63 hope you feel better.get well soon!

 

[EmmaRose]

She might not have even been weighted down. If she is deceased and was put in the water, she could have floated downstream (and gone quite a distance) and gotten stuck on something under the water. (I remember a recent case where someone's body caught in a tangle of roots by the river bank was found by a fisherman several months later)

Last night I was thinking that most bodies that are dumped in the woods are relatively close to a place where a vehicle can drive in, a greater portion being in a location where the body can be dropped over a hill/cliff edge and roll down and away from the road. This makes sense because who wants to schlep a dead body a long distance. If HE were murdered between 4am and 6 am (a guess on my part), there would be limited, if any, darkness, so the location would likely be away from any frequently used roads. Someone mentioned the beach, but I think it would have been too light at that time to make that work. Carolina Forest Road comes to mind as I look at the map, as does the area south of the end of Grahamville Rd. If she is deceased, I don't think she is more than a half hour away from PTL, but that still is an awfully large area to search.

I also agree that a body would usually be dumped relatively close to the road. There are a number of little dead end roads that are left turns off highway 814 that lead into very dense woods.

 

[zelmajane]

Oops. Need to delete.

 

[cluciano63]

I think if the intent is that she is never found, much more labor will have taken place to hide her. A random killer is less likely to be as concerned with her being found, IMO.

 

[TedMac]

She might not have even been weighted down. If she is deceased and was put in the water, she could have floated downstream (and gone quite a distance) and gotten stuck on something under the water. (I remember a recent case where someone's body caught in a tangle of roots by the river bank was found by a fisherman several months later)

Last night I was thinking that most bodies that are dumped in the woods are relatively close to a place where a vehicle can drive in, a greater portion being in a location where the body can be dropped over a hill/cliff edge and roll down and away from the road. This makes sense because who wants to schlep a dead body a long distance. If HE were murdered between 4am and 6 am (a guess on my part), there would be limited, if any, darkness, so the location would likely be away from any frequently used roads. Someone mentioned the beach, but I think it would have been too light at that time to make that work. Carolina Forest Road comes to mind as I look at the map, as does the area south of the end of Grahamville Rd. If she is deceased, I don't think she is more than a half hour away from PTL, but that still is an awfully large area to search.

BBM
Killers tend to dispose of bodies in an area they're familiar with. I, too believe that HE is dead and was killed closer to 4:00 am if not sooner. Murderers that plan their killings (and I think this was premeditated and not a spontaneous act) also plan where they dispose of the bodies. For example Ted Bundy often drove around for hours determining where he was going to put a body before he killed or even determining who he was going to kill. She may have been wrapped in a tarp and weighted down, preventing her body from floating to the top. But that probably would require a boat and a significant amount of time-not to mention a chance of being seen by a fisherman. I have felt from the beginning that she was taken from PTL and driven close to an hour away from Myrtle Beach and buried-possibly in a pre-dug grave. If that is the case, she is going to very difficult to locate. If LE can determine who caused her to disappear, they may be wise to check their background and determine where they previously lived (assuming they haven't always lived around Myrtle Beach).

 

[Dee10]

Gotcha. I do find it odd that LE has not said that SM IS cooperating, though, especially after everyone bent over backwards to make sure the world knew that the date was cleared. The discrepancy makes me go hmmmm.

That reminded me, they haven't said, they don't have a POI or suspect, the most recent statement was:

"Although police chief Saundra Rhodes said Thursday that the investigation remains "very active," she said police still lack any probable cause to make an arrest."

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/cri...11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area

 

[ShaShaGa]

You seem to be only focus on the Moorer(s), so in that case regardless wouldn't SM DNA be expected already to be in the car? If the wife's is there & if her DNA was found there, she would have some s'plaining to do right? Not sure how TE could arrange her DNA to get there if it is right? If a serial killer's DNA is found in the car, he would have to explain that. Hard for TE to manufacture someone's DNA in the car. The car is not the crime scene or LE would be talking murder right?

Well said !

 

[ShaShaGa]

I keep seeing reference to the license on the seat. Was it hers? I also read that she had BW's license.

Why would I leave my car with my purse, keys, and cell phone, but leave my license on the seat? Why is my license on the seat? I can only think of 1 reason.

I got pulled over years ago for speeding. Showed my license, and dropped it on the passenger seat. I didn't put it back in my purse. On my return trip that day, the same cop pulled me over again. I remember how handy my license was to get that 2nd ticket.

Now that is a good point !!!

 

[carbuff]

I don't really see how a private citizen giving his theory about what happened to Heather is a ratings grabber, especially when his theory is already well-known. It's not like this is some famed private investigator or profiler giving his theory about it.

ETA: The wording does make it sound like SM is talking, so they are probably hoping that people will tune in, thinking it's him giving the interview. If they thought people would tune in to hear a private citizen give his theory, they would be more clear about it.

Technically, if they went to SM's house and he appeared at the door and told them to go eff themselves, showing that on the show would constitute "hearing from the man many think etc."

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I think PM's could be posts to a private twitter or Tumblr, ones not reported as were the Tumblr posts about 1-2am.

Tonight at 6, you'll hear from many of those involved in the Heather Elvis case who have never spoken out until now, including the man many are convinced knows what happened to her. See that entire investigation tonight on WMBF News at 6 p.m.

http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/24691440/tonight-at-6-exclusive-new-details-in-the-heather-elvis-disappearance

The bolded statement really stood out to me, too...

I wonder who that person is?

But... I imagine it is a tease...on the part of the network...

JMO