SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #7

[Andi Claire]

Her SM posts do show a very conflicted girl but I don't know that I would say depressed enough to hurt herself. I haven't seen anything in her SM that would indicate that.

I'm sticking with my original theory which new evidence only reinforces. She went to meet someone there that she felt safe meeting. Someone she knew and had a relationship with. That person hurt her. period.


^this. Exactly. I find it interesting that she goes on a date and then ends up at PTL where something happens to her. A jealous ex maybe?

I also find it interesting that her name was immediately listed as a missing person but yet her father still drove the car home. I'm baffled by that as I originally thought he had to wait to report her as missing..but doesn't appear that way now..so why was he allowed to drive the car....

I put this in BOLD as I AGREE! I got somewhat sidetracked by all the RSO's but I still think she met someone at PTL that she had a relationship with and that something terrible happened to her.

 

[jkloc420]

Depending on when the initial arrest/conviction was made and many other factors, such as involuntary psychiatric commitment, resulting from a plea agreement, jkloc420.

http://www.smart.gov/caselaw/handbook_july2012.pdf
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When jurisdictions specifically outline the offenses that require registration, there is
little question as to who is required to register. Most jurisdictions, however, also include
“catch-all” provisions which, in varying forms, generally require any person convicted of
an offense which is by its nature a sex offense to register as well.

A more difficult situation arises when a convicted sex offender moves from one
jurisdiction to another, and the new jurisdiction has to make a determination as to
whether the person is required to register there. When a person has an out-of-state
conviction, most jurisdictions require registration for any offense which is ‘comparable,’
‘similar,’ or ‘substantially similar’ to a listed jurisdiction offense.22 However, when a
state’s registration system treats persons convicted of in-state offenses differently from
those convicted out-of-state, equal protection problems may exist.23

I always thought that if you convicted of a sex crime you are required to submit your DNA into the system.

 

[Arione]

except for her car being parked there ,there are no witnesses who saw her drive her car anywhere that night (I know there is the videotape in the drive thru but maybe it's not her) and supposedly there was no scent leaving her car of her.

First I will admit, I know very, very little about scent dogs and how that works. But this hasn't been mentioned and I am wondering, what if HE borrowed her roommate's shoes to run out in that night? And she'd never worn them before? Would the dog be able to still pick up her scent from the ground?

 

[cluciano63]

It may still be true that Le is unable to say whether or not she is a crime victim, if they have been unable to trace her movements or those of any possible POI's. Also, if the communication(s) were via phone, not text, no way to know what was said, or how it was left between the parties.

But IMO they probably are leaning toward foul play. And not by a random serial.

 

[teri037]

It may still be true that Le is unable to say whether or not she is a crime victim, if they have been unable to trace her movements or those of any possible POI's. Also, if the communication(s) were via phone, not text, no way to know what was said, or how it was left between the parties.

But IMO they probably are leaning toward foul play. And not by a random serial.

of course that is correct. If they had evidence of foul play, an arrest would have been made already IMO...right now they can't prove that there was foul play. They can't prove she didn't run away somewhere...how frustrating that must be to KNOW something but not have the evidence to prove it.

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[Topcat]

First I will admit, I know very, very little about scent dogs and how that works. But this hasn't been mentioned and I am wondering, what if HE borrowed her roommate's shoes to run out in that night? And she'd never worn them before? Would the dog be able to still pick up her scent from the ground?

why would she do that ,change shoes? I'm not up on what the dogs can and can not do.

 

[cluciano63]

of course that is correct. If they had evidence of foul play, an arrest would have been made already IMO...right now they can't prove that there was foul play. They can't prove she didn't run away somewhere...how frustrating that must be to KNOW something but not have the evidence to prove it.

[modsnip].

Well, no, they could have evidence of foul play without enough to charge anyone. So no arrest does not equal no evidence of foul play, necessarily. I mean, there could be, for example, a crime scene but no links to anyone specific. Not that I think there is a crime scene...just saying they could have evidence of foul play without it being linked to any one person.

 

[bestill]

The police report definitely provides more information than has previously been released. My best guess of those who are "not cooperating" with LE are within this report, and they've probably lawyered up. JMO. That's why it's imperative to find her!

I agree and pray that she will be found. Very troubling police report. It's amazing for one so young to have so many confusing connections and she's missing.

Her SM posts do show a very conflicted girl but I don't know that I would say depressed enough to hurt herself. I haven't seen anything in her SM that would indicate that.

I'm sticking with my original theory which new evidence only reinforces. She went to meet someone there that she felt safe meeting. Someone she knew and had a relationship with. That person hurt her. period.


^this. Exactly. I find it interesting that she goes on a date and then ends up at PTL where something happens to her. A jealous ex maybe?


I also find it interesting that her name was immediately listed as a missing person but yet her father still drove the car home. I'm baffled by that as I originally thought he had to wait to report her as missing..but doesn't appear that way now..so why was he allowed to drive the car....

Assuming her dad mentioned the jealous ex makes this even more questionable.

 

[CarePsych]

Could it be someone who lives in close proximity to PTL?

 

[danzn16]

Did she go to the hospital the night she went missing or is it true that it was another person of the same name?

 

[Arione]

why would she do that ,change shoes? I'm not up on what the dogs can and can not do.

Any number of reasons. Girls do things like that. For example they were close to the door when she decided to go out at the last minute.... she could have been barefoot in the condo. Or maybe she even wore the roommates shoes earlier. That's assuming they wear the same size. I don't know, but I'm wondering about the scent thing.

 

[bestill]

I've been trying to get on here all afternoon, had distraction of work! What a report. There's so much I want to say and ask, biting my tongue..I don't want to go into time out. Until we have a poi we are left to muddle through this, I understand why, but I so want to discuss it!

 

[Foxfire]

Missing/murdered persons investigative resources;

http://www.iaca.net/Resources/Articles/ViCAP_Newsletter_Sum07.pdf

FBI VICAP - Violent Criminal Apprension Program
How much do ViCAP&#8217;s services cost?
Nothing! ViCAP services and software have always been provided to law enforcement at no cost.
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[MaliaMansly]

Did she go to the hospital the night she went missing or is it true that it was another person of the same name?

Thank you for asking this! I had to wait until I got home to see the police report that we can discuss, as it is a file that needs to be downloaded in Adobe and opened. I was at work and couldn't do that so I didn't want to ask about the hospital part, if it had been redacted.

I would really like to know IF HE did in fact get admitted and then released to/from the hospital on Dec.17, 2013. If she did, why? (Yeah, yeah, I know, we'll NEVER know due the privacy issues, but I think it could be very pertinent, IMO!) If it's true, she was released VERY shortly before her date picked her up. It's very odd to spend hours in the hospital and then go out on a date, no? Could she have been sick, been to the hospital, gone on her date, her date dropped her home, and she fell ill again, attempted to drive back to hospital, and whomever she communicated with that she was headed to hospital was the wrong person for her to do so with???

That whole hospital admittance right before her date threw me outta my chair!

ETA: I don't know how to draw a fancy line through mine like carbuff did :-( , LOL. Mods, please remove this post, if necessary, due to it not being our HE that was in the hospital.

Also, perhaps that part could be redacted from the police report on here? (Please don't hurt me! Just wondering! )

 

[carbuff]

Thank you for asking this! I had to wait until I got home to see the police report that we can discuss, as it is a file that needs to be downloaded in Adobe and opened. I was at work and couldn't do that so I didn't want to ask about the hospital part, if it had been redacted.

I would really like to know IF HE did in fact get admitted and then released to/from the hospital on Dec.17, 2013. If she did, why? (Yeah, yeah, I know, we'll NEVER know due the privacy issues, but I think it could be very pertinent, IMO!) If it's true, she was released VERY shortly before her date picked her up. It's very odd to spend hours in the hospital and then go out on a date, no? Could she have been sick, been to the hospital, gone on her date, her date dropped her home, and she fell ill again, attempted to drive back to hospital, and whomever she communicated with that she was headed to hospital was the wrong person for her to do so with???

That whole hospital admittance right before her date threw me outta my chair!

If it was her, and not another girl with the same name, it could have been some kind of scheduled test, too. The first time I had a bone scan, I had to go to the hospital and check in as an out patient because my clinic didn't have the equipment.

ETA: news site confirms it's NOT our HE, so it doesn't matter.

 

[Wondergirl]

I am sure this has already been discussed, but, the recent article posted indicated the date SAID he dropped her off between 2:00 and 2:30.

 

[darmela]

FYI: Entity #2's last name on the report is spelled incorrectly. There should be a "C" inserted into it. (I hope this is okay to post).

 

[teri037]

The news site that originally posted the Police reports states the HCPD has stated the HE that went to the hospital is NOT the same that is missing. There are two HEs

 

[CarolinaAsh]

This is so weird because I was going to come on tonight and let you all know that I was going to be scarce until there were new leads because I wasn't loving the vibe I was getting from the forum. Which isn't really a personal thing or someone's fault, it was more because of lack of information driving us all batty.

and then this is released... or leaked... or who even knows. It does help clear up the timeline but otherwise... I'm not sure it does much other good. :/

Also earlier in talks about politics, which I usually avoid like it's literally the plague (I'd rather keep my friends even if we have different opinions) someone mentioned another case where the missing person's mother tried contacting the POTUS. I found that odd and funny because I was thinking that same thing last night in bed and even started composing a letter in my head.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I believe that it is quite possible HE met someone elsewhere, NOT at PTL, but close enough to walk from there to where they met. Whatever happened, happened, then the other person drove her car to PTL, then walked back to where he parked when they met. This doesn't mean she is necessarily in that vicinity, because they could have driven somewhere else, then perp came back to where they met. That is why there is no scent of her leaving her car. As an example, I go back to the west portion of the road called Carvel Ct. It looks to be less than a quarter mile away, has construction supplies, and is hidden from view. I am sure there are several more places like that within a half mile (easy walking).

Same could be that HE and other person did meet at PTL, did not get out of the car, perp got in the car, they went somewhere else, what happened, happened, and perp drove car back to PTL. No HE scent would leave the car at PTL.

These are just some possible scenarios as to why no scent from car.