SC - Nine killed in Emanuel AME Church shooting, Charleston; Dylann Roof charged #2

[EllieBee]

In case it hasn't, here's the NY Post article talking/linking it:
http://nypost.com/2015/06/20/charle...w&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

And here's the direct link to the document.
http://lastrhodesian.com/data/documents/rtf88.txt

Oh. My. God.

 

[zwiebel]

Roof's alleged (but almost certainly was his) website, Thelasstrhodesian.com where the photos and manifesto were found, was hosted via servers in the Netherlands that then linked onto Russia and has now been taken down.

 

[katydid23]

If there wasn't a racial message there, why didn't he just say 'there are good and bad people, and you make the choice?'.

Because that does not have the same specificity and same impact. It was said that the judge knew the young man's father and his grandfather. I think he was sending a specific message about them being upstanding black men in their community. Speaking about race does not make one a racist. JMO

 

[EllieBee]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/charleston-shooting-dylann-roofs-selfies-guns-south-hate-usa-1507179

DR selfies.

Please pass the eyebleach. TIA.

 

[Friday Fan]

Hey there sleuthers... has anyone read the 'manifesto' that can break it down for me? TIA

He picked the church and Charleston for a reason:

I have no choice. I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.

 

[Elley Mae]

this is known as the Folly Boat; a boat that washed ashore during Hurricane Hugo and never claimed. People have been painting messages and pictures on it for years. This week, it has a special message.



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Nice, when I google searched for the boat I saw this and thought this was it.

http://wciv.images.worldnow.com/images/22408944_BG1.jpg

Oh now I see the 9 firfighters that lost their lives in 2007, sorry.

 

[Irisha]

Hey there sleuthers... has anyone read the 'manifesto' that can break it down for me? TIA

I started to read it, then I questioned myself. Why do I want to read a 21 yr old mass murderers ranting. I didn't want to, so I didn't. He can't possibly have anything of intelligence to say.:moo:

 

[zwiebel]

The last photo on the website was uploaded just hours before the shooting. The site was originally registered to one Dylann Roof with a S.Carolina address and phone on Feb 9, but next day a service called Australia Privacy Protect was used to hide those details. All via the interactive editor of the Post and Courier tweet.

[video=twitter;612335269082214401]https://twitter.com/jaspar/status/612335269082214401[/video]

 

[SCHMAE]

Why did he use the term redneck? Are all rural people bad?

Funny thing is to an actual redneck, it's not a negative term. I live amongst many and the term used to mean a hardworker/ laborer/farmer/ rancher and now it's somehow become a negative term by people who are not familiar with it. There are people who think all people from the south must be ' redneck, gun toters, bible thumping racists' . It's just not so but a redneck term used locally is not negative and no one is offended by it. Mooo

 

[Surfside]

Nice, when I google searched for the boat I saw this and thought this was it.

http://wciv.images.worldnow.com/images/22408944_BG1.jpg

Oh now I see the 9 firfighters that lost their lives in 2007, sorry.

Here's an article on "The Charleston 9:"

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20070819/PC1602/308199902

 

[cady]

Roof's alleged (but almost certainly was his) website, Thelasstrhodesian.com where the photos and manifesto were found, was hosted via servers in the Netherlands that then linked onto Russia and has now been taken down.

One thing that struck me was that for a high school dropout it seemed way too articulate. There may have been a few typos, but no misspellings screeched out at me, and the syntax was passable......and he ends with apologies for typos.....strange. Just wondering if he may have plagiarized some of the statements. (Though I wouldn't expect that white supremacist sites' writings would be particularly articulate either.) Just strange. Maybe he isn't as low IQ as he looks and acts......just ignorant. JMO

 

[zwiebel]

I started to read it, then I questioned myself. Why do I want to read a 21 yr old mass murderers ranting. I didn't want to, so I didn't. He can't possibly have anything of intelligence to say.:moo:

I agree it's painful but I just knew he'd have something out there, and spent hours searching (looking in wrong places I know now )to see if I could find him because I really wanted to know if he had any support or encouragement, or if there were people out there who knew in advance what he was going to do. I don't know if they could be held to account if there were people, but think they should be.

I still wonder if he was posting on some dark forum somewhere...

 

[cady]

Zwiebel....GREAT SLEUTHING! thanks! JMO

 

[i.b.nora]

One thing that struck me was that for a high school dropout it seemed way too articulate. There may have been a few typos, but no misspellings screeched out at me, and the syntax was passable......and he ends with apologies for typos.....strange. Just wondering if he may have plagiarized some of the statements. (Though I wouldn't expect that white supremacist sites' writings would be particularly articulate either.) Just strange. Maybe he isn't as low IQ as he looks and acts......just ignorant. JMO

I came away with that feeling as well. It seemed too well written for a ninth grader.

 

[Elley Mae]

Funny thing is to an actual redneck, it's not a negative term. I live amongst many and the term used to mean a hardworker/ laborer/farmer/ rancher and now it's somehow become a negative term by people who are not familiar with it. There are people who think all people from the south must be ' redneck, gun toters, bible thumping racists' . It's just not so but a redneck term used locally is not negative and no one is offended by it. Mooo

Exactly

The United Mine Workers of America (UMW) and rival miners’ unions appropriated both the term redneck and its literal manifestation, the red bandana, in order to build multiracial unions of white, black, and immigrant miners in the strike-ridden coalfields of northern and central Appalachia between 1912 and 1936.

https://myshepherdstown.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/does-the-word-redneck-originate-from-west-virginia/

 

[mysteriew]

Funny thing is to an actual redneck, it's not a negative term. I live amongst many and the term used to mean a hardworker/ laborer/farmer/ rancher and now it's somehow become a negative term by people who are not familiar with it. There are people who think all people from the south must be ' redneck, gun toters, bible thumping racists' . It's just not so but a redneck term used locally is not negative and no one is offended by it. Mooo

It is a cultural term. I identify with it and don't see it as an insult but rather a term to be proud of. But I also know it is often used as an an insult and was used as an insult in the way he used it. Yet it is considered allowable because it doesn't refer to a racial group.

 

[Friday Fan]

One thing that struck me was that for a high school dropout it seemed way too articulate. There may have been a few typos, but no misspellings screeched out at me, and the syntax was passable......and he ends with apologies for typos.....strange. Just wondering if he may have plagiarized some of the statements. (Though I wouldn't expect that white supremacist sites' writings would be particularly articulate either.) Just strange. Maybe he isn't as low IQ as he looks and acts......just ignorant. JMO

Although he ends with "I'm in a great hurry" it does not appear to be written hastily. Who knows, since this is a cold blooded crime, maybe he was in a hurry and was cool and calm while he wrote it. (Gives me chills)

 

[zwiebel]

Zwiebel....GREAT SLEUTHING! thanks! JMO

Oh heck, thank you but don't credit me. I've just been sleuthing other people's sleuthing.

 

[SCHMAE]

I agree it's painful but I just knew he'd have something out there, and spent hours searching (looking in wrong places I know now )to see if I could find him because I really wanted to know if he had any support or encouragement, or if there were people out there who knew in advance what he was going to do. I don't know if they could be held to account if there were people, but think they should be.

I still wonder if he was posting on some dark forum somewhere...

He made it clear in his little rant that he didn't belong to or was not accepted by or there were no suitable groups for what he wanted locally , so he did most of his race bonding? ( is that a thing?) on the internet.

 

[SCHMAE]

Exactly

The United Mine Workers of America (UMW) and rival miners’ unions appropriated both the term redneck and its literal manifestation, the red bandana, in order to build multiracial unions of white, black, and immigrant miners in the strike-ridden coalfields of northern and central Appalachia between 1912 and 1936.

https://myshepherdstown.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/does-the-word-redneck-originate-from-west-virginia/

There are no mines around here but lots of farms and ranches and one who works in them until he's got a sunburned neck gets the term ' redneck' . Appalachia , huh? Now you've got me wondering where the term 'hillbilly' came from.