SC - Nine killed in Emanuel AME Church shooting, Charleston; Dylann Roof charged #2

[asac]

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...-high-school-leads-teens-arrest/#.VYY4gmYpC2d

http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/68419705/Teens-explosives-meant-for-Melbourne-bombing

Ok. Well the first one was being investigated as a prank and the second is related to Islamic extremism. Which I would personally put into a different category than the young solo attackers being talked about here. But that might be a whole other argument.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

IMO SC is getting a bum rap over this shooting. As horrible as the tragedy is there have been no riots. Instead the flag and gun loving people of SC, of all races, have united to support each other. I will take SC's PR problems over those of Ferguson and Baltimore any day of the week

Why would there be riots?

 

[bluesneakers]

A black police officer was killed today in NOLA and I have not seen anyone blaming him.

This is a really good question. My mind is coming up blank too. Even after Ennis Cosby was murdered people were blaming him.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, the poor white people in South Carolina are suffering so much from this. Those are the people we should be concerned with, not the black victims of this hate crime. Of course they are not suffering so much that they are going to take down their racist Confederate flag from the State Capital, but they are suffering.

Lets reverse it around, and say that a black kid killed nine white people. First, he would be dead. The cops would make sure of that, but if by some chance he survived all the police bullets, what are the chances this same judge would be talking about how we need to be sympathetic to his family? None, because black kids are all "****s" anyway.

And the judge NEVER said no one should be concerned with the families of the victims. In fact, he made sure each and every family was allowed to have a member stand up and speak on national TV.

I think you are misrepresenting what the judge did and said. JMO

 

[Wagara]

Yes, the poor white people in South Carolina are suffering so much from this. Those are the people we should be concerned with, not the black victims of this hate crime. Of course they are not suffering so much that they are going to take down their racist Confederate flag from the State Capital, but they are suffering.

Lets reverse it around, and say that a black kid killed nine white people. First, he would be dead. The cops would make sure of that, but if by some chance he survived all the police bullets, what are the chances this same judge would be talking about how we need to be sympathetic to his family? None, because black kids are all "****s" anyway.

I tend to agree with your post but the first sentence leaves a bitter taste. White people's sentiments...damned if they do damned if they don't.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Let's take a real life example. Darron Wint, a black man, just killed four white people. Actually he tortured them, brutally, for 2 days. He set a 10 yr old boy on fire while he was still alive. Did the cops shoot him when he was captured? NO. They did not kill him upon his arrest.

Did the public harass his family? NO. His father made a very lovely and compassionate public statement and it was warmly accepted. I have not seen anyone say anything bad about his father at all.

I think you are painting with a very broad brush and jumping to false conclusions. JMO


ETA:


As first reported by The Washington Post, Dennis Wint says his family and friends grieve the 'tragic and senseless loss' but they didn't know the victims.
He also says 'we hope that whoever committed these heinous crimes - my son included - will suffer the consequences of their actions.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ces-heartless-crime-guilty.html#ixzz3dfOux8e9
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Did a public official (see: judge) ask for public sympathy for Wint's family? I am not sure why you are comparing Internet commentators with a judge. It actually makes me raise my eyebrows that you keep bring up this case (pointing out that a black man tortured four white people) in a thread about nine black people killed by a white man who wrote a racist manifesto saying why he did it. It is making me a bit uncomfortable as I am not seeing how the cases are similiar at all.

 

[Montjoy]

Ok. Well the first one was being investigated as a prank and the second is related to Islamic extremism. Which I would personally put into a different category than the young solo attackers being talked about here. But that might be a whole other argument.

Also worth noting, there may not have even been a bomb in the first incident; the second incident was broken up before the bombs were deployed -- no guarantee that they were going to work, unlike a 45 being used at close range.

And there were no casualties in either incident.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Yes, the poor white people in South Carolina are suffering so much from this. Those are the people we should be concerned with, not the black victims of this hate crime. Of course they are not suffering so much that they are going to take down their racist Confederate flag from the State Capital, but they are suffering.

Lets reverse it around, and say that a black kid killed nine white people. First, he would be dead. The cops would make sure of that, but if by some chance he survived all the police bullets, what are the chances this same judge would be talking about how we need to be sympathetic to his family? None, because black kids are all "****s" anyway.

Surely you're not talking about all the white people in South Carolina although it sounds that way.

 

[WideOpen]

IMO SC is getting a bum rap over this shooting. As horrible as the tragedy is there have been no riots. Instead the flag and gun loving people of SC, of all races, have united to support each other. I will take SC's PR problems over those of Ferguson and Baltimore any day of the week

I am local and have raised my children in Charleston. I am originally from a midwestern town-where I am reading people spew ugliness and conspiracy towards this community. It is bizarre, they have never even been to this community-but want to spread a negative and hurtful message almost provoking confusion and paranoia.

I love this state and the people of this state for their strength and character. I am very glad to know the people in my community-and thank them all for their class and genuine kind hearts. When I have gone out into the community since this tragedy I feel kindred spirits and not hate brewing. We are joining with compassion for each other, not division. Just one of the many things that make South Carolina great!

JMO

 

[FindHG]

And the judge NEVER said no one should be concerned with the families of the victims. In fact, he made sure each and every family was allowed to have a member stand up and speak on national TV.

I think you are misrepresenting what the judge did and said. JMO

The judge granting those families their say, what they had to say, that was powerful in a way I'm still trying to grasp.

 

[KaaBoom]

There is no evidence thatt McVeigh used a gun.

Are you serious? He was arrested on gun charges. So there certainly is evidence of that.

After Oklahoma City bombing, McVeigh's arrest almost went unnoticed

 

[katydid23]

Did a public official (see: judge) ask for public sympathy for Wint's family? I am not sure why you are comparing Internet commentators with a judge. It actually makes me raise my eyebrows that you keep bring up this case (pointing out that a black man tortured four white people) in a thread about nine black people killed by a white man who wrote a racist manifesto saying why he did it. It is making me a bit uncomfortable as I am not seeing how the cases are similiar at all.

I am sorry if it makes you uncomfortable that I bring it up. I bring it up to refute various false statements here. Like one saying if a black kid killed whites he would be shot before being arrested. So I used this recent arrest as an example of that being FALSE.

And another one saying that people would find no compassion for a black family if they had a killer arrested. Your comment that it does not count because the judge did not say it is not valid, in my opinion, because the judge did not have the family of the victims speak either. That is what makes it fair, imo. The judge in the Church Killings discussed both the family of the killer and the victims. And it was said that he knew the grandfather of the killer. So it must have been something he did with that in mind.

Who cares about the manifesto? Does it matter if Wint wrote a manifesto before he tortured this family to death or not? He still hated them enough to kill them. Why is one killing any worse than the other?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I am sorry if it makes you uncomfortable that I bring it up. I bring it up to refute various false statements here. Like one saying if a black kid killed whites he would be shot before being arrested. So I used this recent arrest as an example of that being FALSE.

And another one saying that people would find no compassion for a black family if they had a killer arrested. Your comment that it does not count because the judge did not say it is not valid, in my opinion, because the judge did not have the family of the victims speak either. That is what makes it fair, imo. The judge in the Church Killings discussed both the family of the killer and the victims. And it was said that he knew the grandfather of the killer. So it must have been something he did with that in mind.

Who cares about the manifesto? Does it matter if Wint wrote a manifesto before he tortured this family to death or not? He still hated them enough to kill them. Why is one killing any worse than the other?

Murder cases get a wide range of attention, sympathy, and outrage. Even when people deny it, it is clear that some cases (for whatever reason, the victim, how many there were, how they were killed) resonate with more people.

Also "Who cares about the manifesto?" Um....it tells us the motives of a mass murderer. I am not sure why you acting like it is irrevelent.

 

[human]

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...-high-school-leads-teens-arrest/#.VYY4gmYpC2d

http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/68419705/Teens-explosives-meant-for-Melbourne-bombing

Just like America. So many shootings. Oh, never mind

 

[katydid23]

Murder cases get a wide range of attention, sympathy, and outrage. Even when people deny it, it is clear that some cases (for whatever reason, the victim, how many there were, how they were killed) resonate with more people.

Very true. And often certain cases 'resonate' because they fit certain narratives that people want to sell. And I feel like some people are doing so here with this case. Trying to sell the narrative that Southern Whites are racists ....enough said.

 

[Wagara]

Why would there be riots?

First answer would be because riots have been an unfortunate by-product to problems in the last year or so IMO. If you are asking in a different context I don't understand the question.

 

[katydid23]

Just like America. So many shootings. Oh, never mind

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/world/asia/man-stabs-22-children-in-china.html?_r=0

BEIJING (AP) — A man wielding a knife wounded 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes on Friday, the police said.

 

[Montjoy]

Trying to sell the narrative that Southern Whites are violent racists and are secretly pleased about these brutal murders. JMO

I find your implication to be highly offensive. Can you show us one post here where the member is suggesting that Southern Whites are secretly pleased about these murders?

You would seem to be characterizing members you disagree with quite unfairly.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Very true. And often certain cases 'resonate' because they fit certain narratives that people want to sell. And I feel like some people are doing so here with this case. Trying to sell the narrative that Southern Whites are violent racists and are secretly pleased about these brutal murders. JMO

I am pretty sure people could find examples of racism and violence all over the United States; they wouldn't need to wait until nine black people were massacred in a church. Saying that people are "secretly pleased" about a mass murder is insulting and disturbing. Apparently being outraged and realizing that this massacre shows that racism is still an issue in America means that you are "hooray!" about people being brutally murdered.

I'm pretty sure this case isn't sparking outrage and generating media attention because it fits the narrative that all Southerners are violent racists. Mass murders always get huge media attention, but I guess when the victims are black, there must be a different reason?

I am not sure why anyone would be "pleased" about this massacre considering it will change absolutely nothing.

 

[katydid23]

I find your implication to be highly offensive. Can you show us one post here where the member is suggesting that Southern Whites are secretly pleased about these murders?

You would seem to be characterizing members you disagree with quite unfairly.

I will backtrack a bit. I am exaggerating and being a bit flip. But there have been elements of some characterizing whites in the South as vile racists. JMO