SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #17

[detectivewannab]

Curious if Gucci receipt located on phone? Sometimes when checking out your purchase a person will choose both options, paper and email receipt. Moo

What is a Gucci?

 

[Boodles]

I am so confused. Maggie's phone called 911 at 10:06??

No, I don’t know why that post says that. Maggie’s phone did not call anyone after 7:50pm (Barbara).

I think that may be referring to Alex calling 911 at 10:07pm.

https://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article271689727.html

 

[Boodles]

What is a Gucci?

A designer brand, very expensive, very high end - handbags, sunglasses and other accessories, clothing. There’s a movie about the Gucci family who started the brand from a few years ago starring Lady Gaga, called House of Gucci.

 

[AlisRedHat]

Apparently that's not what happened. This was posted upthread:

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I don’t think this is right. I’d have to rewatch, but I think others here have it right that LE put it in airplane mode when it was discovered.

 

[Warwick7]

Finding Maggie's phone -- per DH's opening statement:

"[Harpootlian] said they found Maggie’s cell phone the night of the killing on the side of the road about a half-mile or so away from the crime scene.

“They found it by using ‘Find My iPhone.’ And the way they did, that they had to open it or have access. Who gave them the code to open the phone? Alex Murdaugh,” he said."

Murdaugh openers paint different, but graphic pictures of night of killings

Attorneys on both sides in the Alex Murdaugh murder trial insist the evidence will either clearly show or clearly call into question his role in the deaths of his wife and son.

www.live5news.com

No Buster

 

[Seattle1]

Apparently that's not what happened. This was posted upthread:

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Respectfully, I believe the reporter here is incorrect.

First, Agent Croft's expertise is more weapons and ammunition and I recall he only answered a couple of questions about MM's cellphone including that John Marvin located MM's phone via Buster's find my phone app, and he gave the phone to SLED. In addition, he offered the following:

Croft said Maggie's phone was located using "Find My iPhone" about 2,100 meters (or 1.3 miles) from the murder scene. Alex gave police Maggie's passcode.

He also confirmed the phone wasn't secured in a Faraday Bag (which blocks cell signals) and to his knowledge, one wasn't requested.

Later, witness "Britt" Dove, a lieutenant in the computer crimes unit of SLED and a qualified expert witness in cell phone forensics testified that he received MM's phone in airplane mode. To be clear, the expert did not say when the phone was in airplane mode when first recovered on the road by John Marvin Murdaugh. I find it more likely that SLED placed the phone in airplane mode before transporting the instrument to the crime lab. Dove testified SLED's written procedure to transport electronics/phones is not to use Faraday bags but to place the phone in airplane mode and/or remove the SIM card. MOO

https://wpde.com/newsletter-daily/live-blog-murdaugh-murder-trial-day-7-the-big-question-did-alex-say-i-did-him-bad-or-they-did-him-bad-wciv-jury-alex-murdaugh-maggie-paul-father-son-wife-family-south-carolina-attorney-double-murders

 

[Warwick7]

Respectfully, I believe the reporter here is incorrect.

First, Agent Croft's expertise is more weapons and ammunition and I recall he only answered a couple of questions about MM's cellphone including that John Marvin located MM's phone via Buster's find my phone app, and he gave the phone to SLED. In addition, he offered the following:

Croft said Maggie's phone was located using "Find My iPhone" about 2,100 meters (or 1.3 miles) from the murder scene. Alex gave police Maggie's passcode.

He also confirmed the phone wasn't secured in a Faraday Bag (which blocks cell signals) and to his knowledge, one wasn't requested.

Later, witness "Britt" Dove, a lieutenant in the computer crimes unit of SLED and a qualified expert witness in cell phone forensics testified that he received MM's phone in airplane mode. To be clear, the expert did not say when the phone was in airplane mode when first recovered on the road by John Marvin Murdaugh. I find it more likely that SLED placed the phone in airplane mode before transporting the instrument to the crime lab. Dove testified SLED's written procedure to transport electronics/phones is not to use Faraday bags but to place the phone in airplane mode and/or remove the SIM card. MOO

https://wpde.com/newsletter-daily/live-blog-murdaugh-murder-trial-day-7-the-big-question-did-alex-say-i-did-him-bad-or-they-did-him-bad-wciv-jury-alex-murdaugh-maggie-paul-father-son-wife-family-south-carolina-attorney-double-murders

This makes sense to me now.

I've been googling Find My Phone App airplane mode. Every link said these kinds of apps can only work if the phone is NOT in airplane mode.

 

[Warwick7]

This makes sense to me now.

I've been googling Find My Phone App airplane mode. Every link said these kinds of apps can only work if the phone is NOT in airplane mode.

Which begs the question: why was AM messing with her phone??

He didn't put it in Airplane mode.
And he had the code to unlock it.

He had total access to that phone.

What did he mess with that phone? And why was that one chucked out a window and not Paul's?

 

[Warwick7]

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[clearskies1]

I don’t think this is right. I’d have to rewatch, but I think others here have it right that LE put it in airplane mode when it was discovered.

Thank you! I didn't see the testimony today and was relying on the tweet that was posted and the ensuing discussions about it. I just googled and found this: (BBM)

"Griffin concluded his cross-examination and lead prosecutor Creighton Waters is asking Croft additional questions.

Griffin had pointed out agents didn’t place Maggie’s cell phone in a Faraday bag when they found it, which would’ve blocked signals from both being sent and received to the device. Croft told Waters the agents turned it on “Airplane Mode,” which shuts off cellular connections on a mobile device."

Jan. 31: Witnesses in Alex Murdaugh double murder trial discuss phone records, firearms

Newman dismissed jurors about 5:45 p.m., in the middle of Conrad's questioning of Dove.

www.postandcourier.com

 

[Cindizzi]

Somewhere it still would record her steps running before AM picked up her phone, looked at it, then walked to his truck.

 

[otto]

Trying to figure out what happened here in such a short time.

 

[Boodles]

Someone read the group text from Lynn at 8:49:27. Was it Maggie or Alex?

Maggie was on the Poshmark website at 8:30. I figured that was at the house and then the 43 steps at 8:33 were her walking out and getting into AMs car. But then no steps until 8:53? What was she doing for 20 minutes? Sitting in the car waiting? Had she put her phone down? Had she already been killed and then Alex had her phone, read the Lynn text and walked to the car?

I’m quoting myself because I’m thinking now that AM murdered Maggie between 8:33 and 8:53, probably around 8:33.

I’m thinking at 8:30 she got into the car from the house. It can’t be more than a minute drive from the house to the kennels. Either just before or in the car she was looking at Poshmark on her phone (shopping website). Then she got out of the car and was shot.

We’ll see hopefully in the morning what Paul’s phone shows, but right now I’m leaning toward the murders being before the 59 steps at 8:53. I think the 59 were AM. I may change my mind tomorrow, or in 10 minutes MOO.

 

[detectivewannab]

A designer brand, very expensive, very high end - handbags, sunglasses and other accessories,

Not sure what this would have to do with guns

 

[Kemug]

Sorry, wrong thread!

 

[Seattle1]

Curious if Gucci receipt located on phone? Sometimes when checking out your purchase a person will choose both options, paper and email receipt. Moo

What was discovered in the trash by Agent Croft wasn't a Gucci receipt but a credit card statement with (itemized) Gucci charge circled on the statement. The charge was about $1,041.

 

[AlisRedHat]

Which begs the question: why was AM messing with her phone??

He didn't put it in Airplane mode.
And he had the code to unlock it.

He had total access to that phone.

What did he mess with that phone? And why was that one chucked out a window and not Paul's?

This is possibly why he took Maggie’s phone and not Paul’s:

Just speculating here, but if AM had deleted incriminating text conversations (such as divorce, affair, financial, drugs, etc) between him and MM on his phone, they would still be on her phone so he needed to get rid of her phone. I don’t think he’s as tech savvy as others here think he is.

If AM didn’t kill them, why would an unknown murderer(s) take it? It doesn’t make sense that it would be anyone else but AM unless I’m missing information that Maggie was doing something on the sly and someone else had a motive to kill her and “disappear” her phone.

 

[Cindizzi]

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[BeeGirl]

Yeah, I think we’re going to hear more about it, though!

I’m not sure the part I linked in the quoted bit above is true based on this. Seems to be conflicting news. Was it unlocked when LE received it or did they lock it?