SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #19

[Regal Beagle]

SLED should have kicked everyone out of the house the night of the murders and not let anyone in until they did a search. They had a search warrant and should have executed it. The "voluntary search" with people in the house trailing after the SLED agent was not good enough IMO. This is where the Murdaugh influence came in to play I think. I really doubt "Joe Smith" would have been afforded this courtesy. JMO.

I know I'm only stating the obvious but IMO, that is exactly why he interrupted the 911 call to call family and friends in as fast as possible. Even the next day when grieving family and friends continued to come by, I'm certain he knew LE wouldn't force a search warrant. He did in fact give them permission to search but I feel if the house had been completely empty it would have given them the ability to work at their own pace and take their time without feeling like they were some type of entertainment.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Those are some great points and arguments but I don’t think they can sell it to the jury. Especially if he can’t easily spin the clothes change and produce them.​

Wonder if they have asked Alec for the clothes he was wearing in the "tree" snapchat video that Paul took?

Wonder if he can produce them? And if not, why?

 

[worm]

Wonder if they have asked Alec for the clothes he was wearing in the "tree" snapchat video that Paul took?

Wonder if he can produce them? And if not why?

Me too. Even if they use an excuse like he forgot, a quick change and they would be in the hamper. Or in my case the floor.

 

[meanddblj]

Alex Murdaugh Co-Conspirator Sentenced to Prison for Stealing Money from Housekeeper’s Family | USSA News | The Tea Party's Front Page.

A former South Carolinan attorney was sentenced on Tuesday to four years in prison for conspiring with convicted killer Alex Murdaugh to steal money from his late housekeeper’s estate. According to WCSC, Cory Fleming was also ordered to pay $102,000 in restitution and a $20,000 fine. Fleming...

ussanews.com

SLED agent Melinda Worley said she swabbed 10 different areas in Alex’s car and all of them returned presumptive positive results. She said she also photographed a 16-gauge shotgun shell located on the rear floorboard of his vehicle.

Was this what she said did not test for human blood?

 

[Walela]

The defense does not have to prove, or even supply a motive, it only has to leave a reasonable doubt that it could only have been AM. What facts in my theory are unreasonable, or impossible? The prosecution has to persuade the jurors beyond a reasonable doubt that it could only have been AM and no one else.

Yes and IMO it's not reasonable that 2 assailants came on that precise night to murder PM when there had been multiple opportunities to murder him since the boat accident. It's also not reasonable to me that it would require 2 assailants when one good sniper could have done it.
jmo

 

[worm]

What’s to be expected tomorrow? The boat crash? More money crime? Him having thought about the video all weekend and pleading?

 

[Walela]

Alec is not an opioid addict. OMO.

IMO he is addicted to having the Oxys. I do believe he physically used them to party with when the alcohol was flowing; passed some around among his friends at other party type functions and I also believe he used them as barter. Just having them in his possession was power and gave him opportunities to be benevolent with return expectations as a caveat. jmo

 

[Spartygirl]

The NY Post is a Rag overall, but this article probably has some facts, and some truly Freaky Facts!
‘Alex Murdaugh is running half the drugs in this county.’

Anonymous source in Colleton County, SC

Sorry, but if this is true, where is all the money? Drug running is a very lucrative business.

This is making my head spin.

If a "dealer" is using.. That is where all the profits go
Plus add to the fact the AM and family lived high and mighty .. I mean, Just count how many trucks were on the property...who needs that many ?? IMO
And 2 expensive properties , one on the beach..not cheap.
and if they had groundskeepers, which has been mentioned ( Maggie saying, let the mexicans lock up) ** and housekeepers for each place, they just lived fully to the means.

They also had court/Legal fees from the boating accident that PM was about to go to trial for.

they had status and appearances to keep up .. not cheap.

If AM truly did NOT have an addiction, then the money went for show and tell and for PM boat accident case

If he did have an addiction, then it went for his own personal use.
JMO

 

[jimg77]

Alec is not an opioid addict. OMO.

Agree. Highlighted with a bit of sarcasm in my post.

 

[clearskies1]

What’s to be expected tomorrow? The boat crash? More money crime? Him having thought about the video all weekend and pleading?

In the morning attorney Mark Tinsley, who represents the family of Mallory Beach, is supposed to testify without the jury present about the boat crash case. I think he may be the last "finances as motive" in camera witness. The jury is set to arrive at 11:30am.

 

[skyedaze]

If the grassy knoll/ pine tree assailants were part of the so- called threat team there to get justice for AM's son's actions in the boat accident, why wait for AM to leave. If your there for payback why not just clean house and remove the whole family. Sure some will say they let AM live to suffer the deaths of his family, think AM's trail of stealing from the living as well as the dead paint's a grim mask that's been doing it's best to hide behind the good ole boy, loving man mask IMO.

LOL grassy knoll/pine trees! Not sure if the Prosecution should use that phrase for closing arguments, but I would love it if they did!

 

[skyedaze]

Yup... And not a rumor, all repeated in MSM by an aunt who also told of PM telling her to go f' herself, at age 10! Did not post here out of respect for the victims.

That 'Murdaugh County' status is another reason why I don't think MM would have ever divorced AM. Generally, women over 50 don't have the luxury of starting over at midlife (like their mates).

I think AM pacified any discomfort by MM with fraudulent* transfers of property (for AM's benefit), expensive vehicles, and the Gucci store. (*i.e, the 2016 transfer of collateralized Moselle to MM for $5 was deemed fraudulent but for the expired statute of limitation when the challenge was made, the property remained as part of MM's 2021 Estate). MOO

I feel like I'm watching a C- real life version of Ozark.

 

[Luna20]

If a "dealer" is using.. That is where all the profits go
Plus add to the fact the AM and family lived high and mighty .. I mean, Just count how many trucks were on the property...who needs that many ?? IMO
And 2 expensive properties , one on the beach..not cheap.
and if they had groundskeepers, which has been mentioned ( Maggie saying, let the mexicans lock up) ** and housekeepers for each place, they just lived fully to the means.

They also had court/Legal fees from the boating accident that PM was about to go to trial for.

they had status and appearances to keep up .. not cheap.

If AM truly did NOT have an addiction, then the money went for show and tell and for PM boat accident case

If he did have an addiction, then it went for his own personal use.
JMO

And they didn’t fly commercial either.

 

[Tanager]

Just one item I'd like to tack on is that AM needed to hop off the 911 call so he could call Rogan several times in a short period, not just family. The last of those calls happened in the first few minutes after the police arrived to the murder scene.

Edited to add-

Whoops! I lost the quote attached to this msg. I was responding to the idea that AM was calling his family to get them there to muck up the crime scene.

 

[Kembo]

First of all, we haven’t heard all of the evidence yet. And there is other evidence not listed in your summary to support guilt. There’s so much detail in this case. The prosecution closing argument must lay it out cogently.

I really wish jurors could take notes. It’s like taking a class without notes, homework, etc., then having to take an exam. Ridiculous. Archaic.

At first I agreed with you about notes. But then I posted earlier that it might be good not to since there is so much data flying at them. If they write down wrong info, it just reinforces the errors later when they read it. Plus they might miss something important while they are writing. I hope they are allowed to take notes during the closing statements when the timeline will be given to them more clearly with all the relevant facts.

 

[Kembo]

Yes and IMO it's not reasonable that 2 assailants came on that precise night to murder PM when there had been multiple opportunities to murder him since the boat accident. It's also not reasonable to me that it would require 2 assailants when one good sniper could have done it.
jmo

I guess I was more or less asking whether anyone could disprove my timeline with any facts that we are privy to at this moment in the trial. Jurors often decide that if something is possible, then it is reasonable.

 

[Luna20]

Alex Murdaugh the real murderer would do that IMO.

Within a few days after their first statement was ‘no threat to the public’. Then we didn’t hear one word for 9 months. Literally, there wasn’t any mention of it.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

What’s to be expected tomorrow? The boat crash? More money crime? Him having thought about the video all weekend and pleading?

They will also hear whether the State can talk to Alec's partners and family who were in the "meeting" with JG and Alec the week of the murders, before they talked individually with SLED.

Question is: Does attorney-client privilege stand with third parties present?

 

[clearskies1]

PLAUSIBLE TIMELINE FOR THE DEFENSE?​

• Alex is at the house taking a nap from about 8:05 p.m. until about 8:35 p.m. He changes into a white T-shirt and shorts to be more comfortable and lays his phone next time him beside the couch or bed. He drives over to the kennels to check on Maggie, Paul, and the dogs. He forgets or leaves his phone in the house. He arrives at 8:37 p.m. and talks with Maggie and Paul about Cash’s tail or whatever. Sometime after 8:45, just after admonishing Bubba about the chicken, he hops back in his suburban, drives back to the house, and on his way back thinks he should check on his mom since she might be lonely with dad in the hospital.
• At 8:53, Maggie takes a short walk around the kennels, and checks her phone a few times for messages. She enters the kennel to check on the dogs one last time with her phone in her hand, which could lead to orientation changes as well. It was dark inside the kennel, which could account for why the phone didn’t see her face the last time.
• At 9:02, Alex grabs the phone he had left in the house, calls Maggie, who doesn’t answer. He paces around for 2 minutes waiting for her call back. He tries again at 9:04, but she doesn’t answer. He paces around another 2 minutes. He figures she’s still busy with Bubba and the chicken, so he just leaves in the truck at 9:06. This accounts for the 283 steps on his phone between 9:02 and when he leaves in his truck at 9:06. From the suburban, he texts her at 9:08 to let her know he’s on his way to see mom.
• The two assailants, meanwhile, have been lying in wait in the pine trees by the kennels, after having followed Paul there. They track Alex’s movements to the kennels, back to the house, and off the property. As soon as he gets clear of the property, they arm themselves with weapons near the kennels, or possibly ones they stole earlier, and shoot Paul and Maggie at about 9:08. Maggie is still alive at 9:06 because her phone changes orientation, and this is the last time she touches her phone. It’s not that surprising there is no meaningful activity on either Maggie’s or Paul’s phones since 8:54 they could have been just sitting by the kennels talking to each other about the chicken in Bubba’s mouth and Cash’s tail problem. The dogs’ barking could have prevented them from hearing the phone calls from Alex and Rogan. The assailants are surprised that Maggie is there, but they cannot leave a witness. After all, she always protected her spoiled son, so she gets what she deserves for being here. They assumed she was still in Edisto. They would have had no idea Alex had wanted Maggie to return to the Moselle property.
• The perpetrators flee with the weapons, and with Maggie’s phone. They realize they shouldn’t have taken it, but thinking it is too dangerous to go back, they throw it out the window about a half mile down the road. The dispose of the guns in a swamp somewhere, and there clothes sometime later.
• Alex arrives at his mom’s house about 9:30, checks in on her for about 15 minutes to make sure she is ok, then gets back in the car at 9:45, calls Maggie again, then drives directly to the kennels, where he arrives at 10:05, probably to let Maggie have it for not answering his calls or his text. There he discovers the bodies of Maggie and Paul. He calls 911 at 10:07 p.m.
• Alex lies about being at the kennels because he assumes everyone would blame him for the murders, especially after being suspected of stealing money from his clients.

I think Alex said that after visiting his mother he drove to the Moselle residence and when no one was there he went down to the kennels and found the bodies. That is a very tight timeline -- Alex is racing from a nap down to the kennels, back to the residence, then to his mom's, then back to Moselle, he's racing and zooming around. Very odd. Other unlikely events in there (outside assailants using Moselle guns), but yeah, they could argue that to the jury. JMO.

 

[Kembo]

I think Alex said that after visiting his mother he drove to the Moselle residence and when no one was there he went down to the kennels and found the bodies. That is a very tight timeline -- Alex is racing from a nap down to the kennels, back to the residence, then to his mom's, then back to Moselle, he's racing and zooming around. Very odd. Other unlikely events in there (outside assailants using Moselle guns), but yeah, they could argue that to the jury. JMO.

I haven't really heard whether or not it has been proven by GPS location data or otherwise that Alex was at his mom's house, how long he was there, how long it took him to drive there, and how long it took him to drive back. My timeline is based on google maps from his house to Almeda and back. Did he have location turned off? I didn't know he claimed to have gone to the house first. I thought he pulled into the gate near the kennels. Is the exit closer to the house onto Moselle Road what he would have naturally taken to his mom's house?