SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #19

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I haven't really heard whether or not it has been proven by GPS location data or otherwise that Alex was at his mom's house, how long he was there, how long it took him to drive there, and how long it took him to drive back. My timeline is based on google maps from his house to Almeda and back. Did he have location turned off? I didn't know he claimed to have gone to the house first. I thought he pulled into the gate near the kennels. Is the exit closer to the house onto Moselle Road what he would have naturally taken to his mom's house?
According to the testimony I heard Paul's phone recorded gps location basically constantly, whereas AM's and MM's phones did hot have nearly as much GPS location info -- I guess because of the apps they used as opposed to Paul's apps. Yes, I think the Moselle residence entrance (the south entrance) is the entrance he would have hit first as he drove north to Moselle from his mother's home.
 
  • #102
On June 25, 2021 AM and son BM announced a reward.
18 days after the murders.

And they put an expiration date of September 30, 2021 !!
Who does that ?!
JMO


Barry Morphew offered $100,000 for Suzanne's safe return. Goes to show he didn't think much of her if he only wanted her returned safely. What?!
 
  • #103
Yes and IMO it's not reasonable that 2 assailants came on that precise night to murder PM when there had been multiple opportunities to murder him since the boat accident. It's also not reasonable to me that it would require 2 assailants when one good sniper could have done it.
jmo
How's this? To frame Alex, they had to be on the property. This goes to motive. They want to watch Alex suffer through all this. They had opportunity, dark, rainy night, open gate, plenty of pines to hide behind. Means? That's trickier. They had to count on Paul setting his gun down at some point. It is possible the other gun they knew was in the white pickup. This could explain how the truck got off the property--they could have stolen it and abandoned it to get themselves farther away from the crime scene quickly. I know that's a stretch. They had plenty of time to get rid of the guns, whereas Alex did not have much time at all because he had to establish his alibi at his mom's house and keep making calls to his wife, change clothes, wash himself, etc.
 
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  • Include the case of Hakeem Pinckney — a deaf man who became quadriplegic after a horrific car crash in 2009. He died in 2011 after his ventilator was unplugged, according to a lawsuit filed by Peters Murdaugh Parker Elztroth and Detrick attorney Lee Cope.
Who would've unplugged this man's ventilator? Cruel way to let him die without being able to breathe.
 
  • #105
I may be behind in getting around to following the breadcrumbs to all the destinations..but regrading the boat lawsuit hearing on June 10th. Alex would have to turn over his financial disclosure, which I assume means Alex would have to list his bank accounts at Palmetto State Bank and any mortgages, loans, credit card accounts and all assests, correct ?
Would Mark Tinsley have been able to subpeona the bank records and would that have also included images/records of checks or electronic transfers between Alex's Palmetto Bank account and his Forge or personal account at Bank of America and the payment records of his mortgages and credit card accounts ? I believe there was testimony that Alex transferred funds from the Forge account to his personal Bank of America account and Alex made mortgage and credit card payments from his personal Bank of America account. So in a nutshell- the June 10th hearing really was dooms day for Alex, wasn't it ?

(I don't believe Alex would have included his Bank of America personal account, I think he would have wanted TInsley to have to obtain a subpeona for those records. But if Alex had voluntarily included the BOA account information, the outcome would have been the same - dooms day)
 
  • #106
How's this? To frame Alex, they had to be on the property. This goes to motive. They want to watch Alex suffer through all this.
Sorry, but this just doesn't work for me.

For any scheme to frame AM to work, the "real" killers would need to have to have perfect knowledge of Alex's actions around the time of the murders, that he would lie that he wasn't there when he was, and that his phone would be turned off at key moments.

If AM had told the police that he was in fact at the kennels minutes before the murder but he left, and his phone GPS had borne that out by showing his movements, he would never have been considered a suspect in the first place.

There are also a lot of other ways he could have been cleared. For example, he could have easily been speaking with or texting someone at the moment of the murders, establishing an ironclad alibi.

So how could these plotters be able to predict that no evidence would exist that would exonerate AM?
 
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DBM.
 
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Sorry, but this just doesn't work for me.

For any scheme to frame AM to work, the "real" killers would need to have to have perfect knowledge of Alex's actions around the time of the murders, that he would lie that he wasn't there when he was, and that his phone would be turned off at key moments.

If AM had told the police that he was in fact at the kennels minutes before the murder but he left, and his phone GPS had borne that out by showing his movements, he would never have been considered a suspect in the first place.

There are also a lot of other ways he could have been cleared. For example, he could have easily been speaking with or texting someone at the moment of the murders, establishing an ironclad alibi.

So how could these plotters be able to predict that no evidence would exist that would exonerate AM?
Bam!!
 
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I guess I was more or less asking whether anyone could disprove my timeline with any facts that we are privy to at this moment in the trial. Jurors often decide that if something is possible, then it is reasonable.

Trying to figure out how that nap time works with the time the defense is saying Maggie showed up and they ate dinner. I mean, sure, it's a nap even if it's only 5 minutes, but really....
 
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  • Include the case of Hakeem Pinckney — a deaf man who became quadriplegic after a horrific car crash in 2009. He died in 2011 after his ventilator was unplugged, according to a lawsuit filed by Peters Murdaugh Parker Elztroth and Detrick attorney Lee Cope.
Who would've unplugged this man's ventilator? Cruel way to let him die without being able to breathe.

In most cases, I'd say it's just ridiculous to cast blame on Alex for every death that happened to occur to his clients and his family's circle. Hakeem's family had already seen signs of neglect at the nursing home (urine soaked bed, the whistle Hakeem used to signal distress to the workers was missing and was found behind his bed). But at this point, with what we know, it sure doesn't seem far fetched to wonder if Alex had something to do with this. Especially since his settlement was reached just a few days before he died. And we know Alex was already doing and continued to do dirty tricks regarding Hakeem and his family's case (filing saying that Hakeem was a resident of Hampton County, when he wasn't, etc).

Having any kind of association with the Murdaugh family seems to be more deadly than cigarettes.
 
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In most cases, I'd say it's just ridiculous to cast blame on Alex for every death that happened to occur to his clients and his family's circle. Hakeem's family had already seen signs of neglect at the nursing home (urine soaked bed, the whistle Hakeem used to signal distress to the workers was missing and was found behind his bed). But at this point, with what we know, it sure doesn't seem far fetched to wonder if Alex had something to do with this. Especially since his settlement was reached just a few days before he died. And we know Alex was already doing and continued to do dirty tricks regarding Hakeem and his family's case (filing saying that Hakeem was a resident of Hampton County, when he wasn't, etc).

Having any kind of association with the Murdaugh family seems to be more deadly than cigarettes.
If I recall correctly, part of the tragedy in Hakeem's death was that he was being housed in what some deemed a sub-standard facility-- especially for the nature of his injury and care required in part because of a delay in a secondary settlement negotiated by AM, and where his first settlement wasn't spent on Hakeem but by another family member.

Wasn't this a unique situation where Hakeem's primary caregiver was in an accident and used Hakeem's monies while AM was working on the caregiver's claim?

I don't think there was anything nefarious between the family, and Hakeem consented to the monies disbursed to another but you should always first secure your own oxygen mask or you won't be around to help others.

And it is ridiculous to blame every death on AM! I don't believe AM was responsible for the unplugged ventilator but I do believe he had a duty of care owed first to Hakeem and the caregiver should have been referred to a different attorney. As my dear dad would say, "don't borrow trouble."

Seems to me the AM was always borrowing trouble. MOO
 
  • #114
I understand that the admission of the financial crimes information for this trial may or may not be allowed, but have only now taken this a step further-will the "suicide attempt" be introduced? This is so crucial, another insanely bad decision involving a gun, following his discussion, in part about his financial crimes, with Chris Wilson, involving guns. From the horses mouth. This is how AM was solving his problems.
 
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If I recall correctly, part of the tragedy in Hakeem's death was that he was being housed in what some deemed a sub-standard facility-- especially for the nature of his injury and care required in part because of a delay in a secondary settlement negotiated by AM, and where his first settlement wasn't spent on Hakeem but by another family member.

Wasn't this a unique situation where Hakeem's primary caregiver was in an accident and used Hakeem's monies while AM was working on the caregiver's claim?

I don't think there was anything nefarious between the family, and Hakeem consented to the monies disbursed to another but you should always first secure your own oxygen mask or you won't be around to help others.

And it is ridiculous to blame every death on AM! I don't believe AM was responsible for the unplugged ventilator but I do believe he had a duty of care owed first to Hakeem and the caregiver should have been referred to a different attorney. As my dear dad would say, "don't borrow trouble."

Seems to me the AM was always borrowing trouble. MOO

Do you have a link about Hakeem's mother using his money? Because I have not seen that. From what I can find, in every account, even those from the Pickney family's new lawyer Justin Bamberg, the family received no money until after the settlement happened on Oct 7--which is why they had him in a substandard nursing home 2 hours away. The plan was to transfer him to a closer, better facility, but they didn't get the chance to do so because he died days after the settlement.


Hakeem's mother, sister, and cousin were all injured in the car wreck that caused him to end up as a paraplegic. His mother, Pamela, was referred to Alex, who came to her bedside in hospital. He was retained as a lawyer to go against the tire manufacturer. Additionally, Pamela said her son needed a conservator because she knew she would be unable to do so while she was recovering herself, so Alex offered up Russell Lafitte.

This article details the little tricks and twists Alex pulled--claiming Hakeem still lived in Hampton so the case could be tried there (when Hakeem was not considered to live in Hampton due to the amount of time he was in the nursing home), claiming to one insurance company that Hakeem was still alive right after he died (in order to insure they still received that part of the settlement), etc: What Allegedly Happened In Hakeem Pinckney Case …

I was a sign language interpreter who worked with Deaf high school students, so I have some insight into Hakeem's ability to understand the legal documents that he signed. His family stated that in the nursing home, his only means of understanding others (who did not use ASL) communicating with him was 1) lipreading, 2) a person writing on a whiteboard, 3) showing him a document. I can guarantee that Alex didn't hire an ASL interpreter to come along to correctly, completely, and clearly explain those documents. I've read the documents that he signed--while brief, they both contain language (guardian ad litem, conservator, etc) that Hakeem (at his age and his level of education from a state school of the Deaf) would have been entirely unfamiliar with if he was presented with that information either by having him read it himself or by lipreading Alex reading it/trying to explain it. If he was lipreading, there is the additional challenge that even skilled lipreaders in optimal conditions (good lighting, the speaker actually moves their mouth clearly without exaggeration, etc, a familiar topic) can only figure out about 30-40% of what is being said. If his mom or another family member who could sign was there, the chances of them being able to accurately convey and explain what was in those documents to an acceptable standard for such important legal documents is pretty darned small. Most family members who sign have pretty basic skills, and even those family members who are acceptably fluent have never had to explain the concept of GAL, conservator, and being of sound mind and body in English much less than in ASL. I do not mean to make it sound like Hakeem was being tricked, but I'll gamble three fingers on my dominant hand that he did not fully understand the documents he signed and did it because his basic understanding is that his mom said it was a good idea.

Poor, black, Deaf, and Dad's out of the picture because he left ages ago and is schizophrenic. A perfect profile for the kind of person Alex has power over and can easily take advantage of.

I'm not saying Alex killed him/had him killed by unplugging his ventilator. I am saying that given all the twists, turns, and seemingly improbable things that have happened in all the events related to Alex and his family, if suddenly information came out in court that Alex bribed one of the workers at the nursing home to "accidentally" unplug the ventilator, I wouldn't even be shocked. Hakeem dying when he did right after the settlement made Russell and Alex have to pull a lot of fast and illegal moves to insure they didn't lose out on money, so it wouldn't have been to their advantage. I do not believe that Hakeem's death was caused by anything plain old garden variety negligence. But would a plot like that seem much crazier than anything else in this whole Murdaugh saga that is wilder than a 1999 made for TV movie on Lifetime?
 
  • #116
Just curious, in high profile cases is it normal practice for the Defense to hire PR teams to argue their theory on social media to gauge which theory the general public would find plausible ?
Only when they think they're losing IMO.
 
  • #117
What’s to be expected tomorrow? The boat crash? More money crime? Him having thought about the video all weekend and pleading?
Alex will never plead out, he's in it for the long haul. JMO
 
  • #118
LOL grassy knoll/pine trees! Not sure if the Prosecution should use that phrase for closing arguments, but I would love it if they did!
Heck why not lol the defense has been discrediting how proven weapon testing is done to how a phone was tossed out a window. The defense may even try to prove that the sky is not blue and water isn't really wet as they plug in their smoke machine once again.
 
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