SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #20

[BUF]

I would like to know what AM does during the lunch break. Is he allowed to meet and eat with his family and/or attorneys and if so, does a deputy sit in there with them. Does he get non jail furnished food for lunch and if so, who pays for it.

I would like to know who launders his court clothing. Are those clothes his or do they belong to the county.

I would like to know if he is searched (strip or otherwise) when he returns to jail before being returned to his cell.

JMCurosity

Those questions about his clothes reminded me of when AB had a hearing and was reduced to wearing JG son’s clothes…

How he did so reflected his surreal downfall: The 54-year-old, who for decades was a fixture in the Low Country legal elite, was lowered to wearing his lawyer’s son’s clothes and shoes as he pleaded his innocence.

Alex Murdaugh Borrows Clothes from Lawyer’s Son So He Can Plead Not Guilty to Murdering His Own


I assume the clothes he is wearing now are his, probably provided by his family and his attorneys makes sure they are available for him to change into before court.

 

[detectivewannab]

Those questions about his clothes reminded me of when AB had a hearing and was reduced to wearing JG son’s clothes…

How he did so reflected his surreal downfall: The 54-year-old, who for decades was a fixture in the Low Country legal elite, was lowered to wearing his lawyer’s son’s clothes and shoes as he pleaded his innocence.

Alex Murdaugh Borrows Clothes from Lawyer’s Son So He Can Plead Not Guilty to Murdering His Own


I assume the clothes he is wearing now are his, probably provided by his family and his attorneys makes sure they are available for him to change into before court.

 

[detectivewannab]

I have been watching his sister. I think she is supporting Buster but not sure she is on Alex s side.

 

[Seattle1]

Those questions about his clothes reminded me of when AB had a hearing and was reduced to wearing JG son’s clothes…

How he did so reflected his surreal downfall: The 54-year-old, who for decades was a fixture in the Low Country legal elite, was lowered to wearing his lawyer’s son’s clothes and shoes as he pleaded his innocence.

Alex Murdaugh Borrows Clothes from Lawyer’s Son So He Can Plead Not Guilty to Murdering His Own


I assume the clothes he is wearing now are his, probably provided by his family and his attorneys makes sure they are available for him to change into before court.

I think South Carolina's "Personal Rights of Defendant" must not be as defined as most states, including North Carolina, and why DH is always pushing the envelope such as the late motion in the link quoted above for AM to be allowed to appear in 'civilian clothes' at a hearing without a jury present.

And more recently, DH wants AM's leg shackles removed during the trial!

In light of the lack of authority guaranteeing a defendant the right to appear for jury trial without shackles, I trust the court will choose the safety of both the court and the public as a reason to control defendants seated in his courtroom. JMO

Federal constitution.
Trial of a defendant in prison garb has been recognized as an affront to the dignity of the proceedings and as jeopardizing a defendant’s due process right to a fair trial; thus, the State may not compel a defendant to appear for trial before a jury in identifiable prison or jail clothing.

The constant reminder of a defendant’s condition implicit in prison attire may affect a juror’s judgment and thereby endanger the presumption of innocence by creating an unacceptable risk that the jury will impermissibly consider that circumstance in rendering its verdict.

Unlike the need to impose physical restraints on unruly defendants, “compelling an accused to wear jail clothing furthers no essential state policy.” Estelle v. Williams, 425 U.S. 501, 505 (1976).

The U.S. Supreme Court in Estelle also recognized that defendants who are compelled to stand trial in prison garb are usually “only those who cannot post bail prior to trial” and to “impose the condition on one category of defendant, over objection, would be repugnant to the concept of equal justice embodied in the Fourteenth Amendment.” Id. at 505–06. Whether a defendant was prejudiced by being compelled to

https://defendermanuals.sog.unc.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/21.5%20Right%20to%20Appear%20in%20Civilian%20Clothes_0.pdf

 

[Seattle1]

I have been watching his sister. I think she is supporting Buster but not sure she is on Alex s side.

Somewhere I read that she is/was a Victims Advocate in the 1st Circuit Solicitors Office. Albeit somewhat ironic, she's probably the right person to support her nephew.

Victims Bill of Rights - scsolicitor

scsolicitor1.org

 

[PaulaDC]

Those questions about his clothes reminded me of when AB had a hearing and was reduced to wearing JG son’s clothes…

How he did so reflected his surreal downfall: The 54-year-old, who for decades was a fixture in the Low Country legal elite, was lowered to wearing his lawyer’s son’s clothes and shoes as he pleaded his innocence.

Alex Murdaugh Borrows Clothes from Lawyer’s Son So He Can Plead Not Guilty to Murdering His Own


I assume the clothes he is wearing now are his, probably provided by his family and his attorneys makes sure they are available for him to change into before court.

Of course he also gets his toupee now too.

 

[Kembo]

Interesting how even on his deathbed, RM III was at that last strategy meeting. He was at the hospital after the boat crash; he was at the scene with Maggie.

The day of the murders, AM got several alarming pieces of information. One,“Daddy“ was dying. Two, the firm was onto his theft and, of course, the civil suit was threatening to expose his financial schemes.

I wonder how much clout AM would have without Daddy. I wonder if RM III wasn’t the real power and clout in those parts. Maybe he was relying on Daddy fixing things at the office snd leaning on the civil suit judge. But now he was losing his Father just when he needed him most.

I wonder if he spent hours that afternoon, grand manipulator of emotions that he is…wondering what in the world could shut down both the civil suit and the office mess. What would play on people’s emotions to such an extent that he could come through this.

And then…he thought of something. Because without RM III, he was on his own.

Leaned on him, manipulated him, but did not display much love for him. He receives a call June 7 in the afternoon, just after the accountant confronts him, that his father is terminal. He uses that to reverse the confrontation, and instantly gain sympathy. He makes it appear to her that he's rushing off to see dad, then calls her at 4 p.m. in the office, concerned about the Beach case paperwork. This callousness surprises her, even though she's known Alex for 20 some years. What surprises me is that after all this suspicion about stealing, his seeming callousness, and the frenetic seeking of Beach case documents, that Jeanne (and by extension his closest friends and partners) did not suspect him of the murders that night. Instead, they immediately rushed to his side from a sense of duty, loyalty, even love perhaps. I wonder if that all changed in September?

 

[Cindizzi]

I think South Carolina's "Personal Rights of Defendant" must not be as defined as most states, including North Carolina, and why DH is always pushing the envelope such as the late motion in the link quoted above for AM to be allowed to appear in 'civilian clothes' at a hearing without a jury present.

And more recently, DH wants AM's leg shackles removed during the trial!

In light of the lack of authority guaranteeing a defendant the right to appear for jury trial without shackles, I trust the court will choose the safety of both the court and the public as a reason to control defendants seated in his courtroom. JMO

Federal constitution.
Trial of a defendant in prison garb has been recognized as an affront to the dignity of the proceedings and as jeopardizing a defendant’s due process right to a fair trial; thus, the State may not compel a defendant to appear for trial before a jury in identifiable prison or jail clothing.

The constant reminder of a defendant’s condition implicit in prison attire may affect a juror’s judgment and thereby endanger the presumption of innocence by creating an unacceptable risk that the jury will impermissibly consider that circumstance in rendering its verdict.

Unlike the need to impose physical restraints on unruly defendants, “compelling an accused to wear jail clothing furthers no essential state policy.” Estelle v. Williams, 425 U.S. 501, 505 (1976).

The U.S. Supreme Court in Estelle also recognized that defendants who are compelled to stand trial in prison garb are usually “only those who cannot post bail prior to trial” and to “impose the condition on one category of defendant, over objection, would be repugnant to the concept of equal justice embodied in the Fourteenth Amendment.” Id. at 505–06. Whether a defendant was prejudiced by being compelled to

https://defendermanuals.sog.unc.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/21.5%20Right%20to%20Appear%20in%20Civilian%20Clothes_0.pdf

In Barry Morphew’s first appearance the day after arrest, one of the first things his public defender asked for :

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[Kembo]

I think it's crucial to the prosecution's case to elicit some type of opinion from Alex's closest friends and partners as to if and when they ever suspected Alex as committing the murders, and whether or not they believed the events around June 7 were the catalyst that set him off. I would think that, by at least September, in hindsight, many of them had formed that theory, although they might not have shared it out loud with anyone. The sympathy had worn off by then. Unless they can get several people to testify to this, I think it will be tough to prove motive beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Seattle1]

When Gloria Satterfield's sons approached the Beach family's attorney, Mark Tinsley, about the news they were hearing that their mother's (estate) claim was settled, he referred them to Attorney Eric Bland.

At the time, AM had already negotiated Gloria's claim with his insurance for $4.3M. When Bland contacted AM, he soon confessed the claim and the Satterfields collected the original $4.3M settlement last June.

However, since Mark Tinsley testified at Murdaugh's trial on Monday, Eric Bland revealed to Law & Crime during a court recess that in addition to collecting the initial settlement by AM, Bland and his firm pursued further damages for the Satterfields, and the latest number is now in excess of $7M-- almost double the initial claim.

In other words, the boys won't ever want for lack of money. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

In Barry Morphew’s first appearance the day after arrest, one of the first things his public defender asked for :

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That's right. However, I don't think we ever saw BM out of jail wear until he was released on bail and next appeared in civilian clothes (and an ankle monitor).

 

[minusfour]

Leaned on him, manipulated him, but did not display much love for him. He receives a call June 7 in the afternoon, just after the accountant confronts him, that his father is terminal. He uses that to reverse the confrontation, and instantly gain sympathy. He makes it appear to her that he's rushing off to see dad, then calls her at 4 p.m. in the office, concerned about the Beach case paperwork. This callousness surprises her, even though she's known Alex for 20 some years. What surprises me is that after all this suspicion about stealing, his seeming callousness, and the frenetic seeking of Beach case documents, that Jeanne (and by extension his closest friends and partners) did not suspect him of the murders that night. Instead, they immediately rushed to his side from a sense of duty, loyalty, even love perhaps. I wonder if that all changed in September?

At the time of the murders, I the CFO only suspected AM of being dodgy-trying to hide money in the civil boat crash case, so it would have been a massive jump to murdering his family. I think between then and September, they uncovered much more that pointed to long term criminality. It would have been quite shocking. Mr Crosby looked devastated testifying, and he is not the first. Once it became clear that Alex could lie and steal for so long, they probably started to consider what else he could be capable of. They knew Maggie and Paul too.Some of these people are long time friends of Alex. I'm sure they knew he was flawed-aren't we all?- but massive theft from already harmed clients, and themselves personally, via the business they they depended up for their living. Imagine considering that your friend, or a person who you've worked with for a long time, (even if you thought they were a bit bombastic), could shoot his wife and child at their home, in cold blood. Not many people could do that, and keep up the victim position afterwards as he did. I hope none of us every mixes with anyone that could.

Until now I've always been pretty suss about PMPD/Parker Group. I couldn't understand how this could go on for so long, undetected. Alex's genius for picking his mark-people who didn't complain, or, if they did, could be stonewalled by his talking, go some way to explaining that. I'm more sympathetic now, I think it must of been a really terrible time for them. I know their early conduct seemed less than idea, but they have paid back all the missing money, and their reputation is dirt now. How anybody at the firm gets any work done, I can't think, especially now with the trial. I have seen no evidence in the trial that anyone from his workplace is trying to whitewash anything about Alex. The CFO said she was "haunted" by him. I bet the entire firm is.

Today I am chilled to the bone by the number of lives this guy destroyed. The fall out will go on for years for these people.

 

[Cindizzi]

That's right. However, I don't think we ever saw BM out of jail wear until he was released on bail and next appeared in civilian clothes (and an ankle monitor).

True!
I just remember how upset I was to see him stroll in to his 4 day Preliminary hearings in street clothes.
JMO

 

[Seattle1]

Leaned on him, manipulated him, but did not display much love for him. He receives a call June 7 in the afternoon, just after the accountant confronts him, that his father is terminal. He uses that to reverse the confrontation, and instantly gain sympathy. He makes it appear to her that he's rushing off to see dad, then calls her at 4 p.m. in the office, concerned about the Beach case paperwork. This callousness surprises her, even though she's known Alex for 20 some years. What surprises me is that after all this suspicion about stealing, his seeming callousness, and the frenetic seeking of Beach case documents, that Jeanne (and by extension his closest friends and partners) did not suspect him of the murders that night. Instead, they immediately rushed to his side from a sense of duty, loyalty, even love perhaps. I wonder if that all changed in September?

^^bbm

Prisons are full of thieves and cons that took their victims for millions but being greedy doesn't make an alleged killer. I'm sure some at the firm are still on the fence-- trying to make sense of the horrific act against AM's family.

 

[Luna20]

Why did DH say “no additional objection” as his repetitive statement? Additional to what?

 

[worm]

Why did DH say “no additional objection” as his repetitive statement? Additional to what?

I remember that he had an objection over something with the coat/tarp and was maintaining it when asked for it again. Maybe someone recalls it better than me?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Why did he leave the coat and tarp there? I wonder if he forgot that he left them there.

I honestly think Alex thought he had pulled it off and nobody would think about looking at his Mother's home for a raincoat. Hiding in plain sight.....

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I'm listening again to parts of Mushelle Smith's direct exam by the State. One of the prosecutor's mistakes was that after he got a favorable answer from her, he would try to emphasize what she said by repeating the same question to her. But asking her the same question seemed to cause her to doubt her original answer and she would then back off and say she wasn't sure and so the original favorable testimony was basically blown. This happened several times. The State should know that if they get an answer that they like, they should just move on. Don't try to create drama by getting the witness to repeat the testimony. Argue it all in closing statement! JMO.

I thought that Prosecutor did a terrible job with her, he seemed unsure of himself and I think that made her even more nervous. I wish Waters would have done the questioning, quick and to the point.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I would like to know what AM does during the lunch break. Is he allowed to meet and eat with his family and/or attorneys and if so, does a deputy sit in there with them. Does he get non jail furnished food for lunch and if so, who pays for it.

I would like to know who launders his court clothing. Are those clothes his or do they belong to the county.

I would like to know if he is searched (strip or otherwise) when he returns to jail before being returned to his cell.

JMCurosity

I'm not sure about your questions, but I'd like to add that I'm super annoyed that he gets to mingle and carry on with everyone around him during breaks. He acts like he's still the lawyer at a trial not the defendant.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Does anyone know if Cousin Eddie is on the move? If he's to testify tomorrow (not sure it that's the case) they should have him moving to Colleton County soon. JMO

He is expected to testify some time this week I think. Oh my, that's going to be something to behold. MOO