SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #22

[Warwick7]

1/25/23

Tinsley said it was important to Beach’s family that Buster Murdaugh be dropped from the lawsuit due to the tragic circumstances surrounding his mother and brother’s deaths. But he also said the ongoing wrongful death lawsuit against Alex Murdaugh, Paul Murdaugh, and Parker’s is far from over.

Judge approves Mallory Beach wrongful death lawsuit settlement for Buster, Maggie Murdaugh

A judge has approved a settlement between the family of Mallory Beach, the young woman killed in a boat crash in 2019, and two of Alex Murdaugh’s family members, according to Beach family attorney Mark Tinsely.

www.wtoc.com

Interesting Tinsley had this type of empathy...and yet it looks like Buster was flipping him the bird the other day.
Ugh...

 

[Walela]

I think it's probably as close to fact as possible that there was no divorce consultation.

I believe DH stated as much in his opening statement.

But more important -- the prosecutor's case is based on the theory that AM killed his wife and youngest son to gain sympathy and distract others from his damning financial crimes. And then had to gamble that the court would allow years of financial deeds as evidence!

In other words, if there was a scintilla of evidence that AM wanted to prevent the division of his empire by an equitable divorce settlement (i.e., a well-tested motive to kill your spouse), nothing could stop the prosecution from singing this song loud and clear! MOO

I completely agree with you...I was just answering bestill's question.
I don't think she visited an attorney and I don't think she hired a forensic accountant either. moo

 

[Seattle1]

AM/PM rode around the property checking out the trees and target shooting as one does on 1700 acres. This provided the perfect opportunity for AM to park the two weapons at the kennel before getting back to the house for a quick supper.

I've long wondered if AM using the wrong caliber shells in the shotgun used to kill PM caused the gun to jam when shooting at MM and why he was forced to go for the 2nd gun to kill MM. MOO

IMO, an impressive, speculative timeline below tweeted by Mandy Matney:

ETA: Timeline the opinion of the author and for speculation purposes only

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[BeachSky]

I think it's probably as close to fact as possible that there was no divorce consultation.

I believe DH stated as much in his opening statement.

But more important -- the prosecutor's case is based on the theory that AM killed his wife and youngest son to gain sympathy and distract others from his damning financial crimes. And then had to gamble that the court would allow years of financial deeds as evidence!

In other words, if there was a scintilla of evidence that AM wanted to prevent the division of his empire by an equitable divorce settlement (i.e., a well-tested motive to kill your spouse), nothing could stop the prosecution from singing this song loud and clear! MOO

I personally feel (in those sled tapes)
AM was not really all that torn up about his assassinated wife. He possibly could of been wanting to take out a second on her beach house (with the boat lawsuit looming) and met resistance. After hearing Blanca’s testimony, one could conclude MM would not be onboard for any of that. Sounded like to me the beach house was MM’s project & peaceful place. And MM was being kept in the dark about how much & where the lawsuit money would appear from.

MOO

 

[Gardenista]

AM/PM rode around the property checking out the trees and target shooting as one does on 1700 acres. This provided the perfect opportunity for AM to park the two weapons at the kennel before getting back to the house for a quick supper.

I've long wondered if AM using the wrong caliber shells in the shotgun used to kill PM caused the gun to jam when shooting at MM and why he was forced to go for the 2nd gun to kill MM.

IMO, an impressive, speculative timeline below tweeted by Mandy Matney:


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I'm not sure this can be trusted. I started at the bottom to verify timestamps and the very first one I checked is incorrect. I didn't go any further than that, though

 

[stmarysmead]

I personally feel (in those sled tapes)
AM was not really all that torn up about his assassinated wife. He possibly could of been wanting to take out a second on her beach house (with the boat lawsuit looming) and met resistance. After hearing Blanca’s testimony, one could conclude MM would not be onboard for any of that. Sounded like to me the beach house was MM’s project & peaceful place. And MM was being kept in the dark about how much & where the lawsuit money would appear from.

MOO

Yes, although testimony is that she was very worried about money, they were doing renovations on the beach house. I do not get these people and their money.

 

[Seattle1]

I personally feel (in those sled tapes)
AM was not really all that torn up about his assassinated wife. He possibly could of been wanting to take out a second on her beach house (with the boat lawsuit looming) and met resistance. After hearing Blanca’s testimony, one could conclude MM would not be onboard for any of that. Sounded like to me the beach house was MM’s project & peaceful place. And MM was being kept in the dark about how much & where the lawsuit money would appear from.

MOO

I disagree. IMO, MM was busy prepping the house for the appraisal scheduled for 6/8 which was the only thing holding up the pre-approved loan. If MM was put out here it was because her timeline was to have the house ready by 7/4, and not AM's June date.

I think MM was pretty much kept in the dark about financial and business matters. MM told Blanca AM didn't tell her everything yet she was a plaintiff named in the lawsuit and must not have been aware that their umbrella insurance policy was not renewed by the carrier after the claim made against the policy for GS-- leaving them grossly underinsured. More evidence of MM living her life wearing rose-colored glasses was at her death, the Edisto property taxes were 2 years in arrears.

Ultimately, it was Murdaughs limited insurance (a Progressive Boat Policy at only $500K) that left MM/AM vulnerable to being sued personally by the Beach family. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

I'm not sure this can be trusted. I started at the bottom to verify timestamps and the very first one I checked is incorrect. I didn't go any further than that, though

Yes, this was for speculation purposes only and the opinion of the author.

 

[Warwick7]

AM/PM rode around the property checking out the trees and target shooting as one does on 1700 acres. This provided the perfect opportunity for AM to park the two weapons at the kennel before getting back to the house for a quick supper.

I've long wondered if AM using the wrong caliber shells in the shotgun used to kill PM caused the gun to jam when shooting at MM and why he was forced to go for the 2nd gun to kill MM. MOO

IMO, an impressive, speculative timeline below tweeted by Mandy Matney:

ETA: Timeline the opinion of the author and for speculation purposes only

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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[LetsSolvIt]

WOW! Has me thinking that that was the stairs that only the housekeeper used......somebody spread some Crisco on those steps?

If someone cared about you and caught you doing something unhealthy they might threaten to tell your parents. If that made you angry you might push them?? Just a wild thought.

 

[stmarysmead]

Does this family seem benevolent to you? if some random contractor spread accelerant and started a fire that endangered the family…son, grandchildren…and you were the ultimate power in that area…would the charges just….go away?

Compare that with the immediate intervention at the hospital after the accident…barging into treatment rooms. MM and RMIII swanning past the dead girls family to get what they needed at the crime site.

MM knows nothing…but knows “the Mexicans” need to upgrade Edisto, because AM needs a big loan.

BM gets booted out of law school but no worries…they can get Somny back in…ahhh…somehow.

RM the brother is Johnny on the Spot when SS dies…is he always so accommodating? Or do the Murdaughs need fingers in the pie during the investigation? How wonderful that the police were ignored and the coroner rules…oops an accident with a truck mirror.

How lovely that PM is photographed in his fashionable wardrobe during his mug shot. And isn’t everyone charged with killing a girl while drunk…allowed to “.go where they wanna go, do what they wanna do…”

And here they are..lthe most expensive lawyers in SC…aligning their reputations with the M family.

As they should…as WELL they should.

My opinion only.

 

[gremlin444]

The Prosecutors podcast was doing a live recording about 404 evidence in the Murdaugh trial the other day. And one of them made this point multiple times:

They keep hearing people say they don't understand how the mounting financial and personal reputation pressures would be motive enough for Alex to kill his wife and child. And their response to that is: Good! If you can thoroughly understand it, we're worried about you. You don't understand it because none of you are in his situation and none of you (hopefully) are the kind of person he is.

****

My thoughts to clarify those points to those who say they don't understand it/don't buy the motive:

This motive is only going to personally make sense to the doubters if all the following conditions apply:

1) Your family has dominated and manipulated the power, social, and legal structure in the area you live in for multiple generations going back.

2) Because of #1, your family and you have always escaped consequences for your bad actions--lying, cheating, stealing, etc.

3) But now the patriarch of this family dynasty, the one who is stronger than you or your brothers, is dying and will be dying VERY SOON. Your fixer will be gone.

4) You have been stealing MILLIONS of dollars from many clients and friends for YEARS and have hidden it by shuffling it around, always keeping money moving, always paying enough back when it looks like you might get busted to cover your for a while longer. But you've gotten too greedy and have gotten too many balls in the air now. Your clients are actually starting to notice missing money/reduced money and are asking questions through lawyers and the legal system. You've taken too much and spent too much of it to be able to quickly shove money back where it's supposed to be so that people will only wag their finger at you and let you get away with a smack on the wrist.

5) You know the courts and juries in your area intimately, and you know that the death of Paul and/or Maggie will ensure that a jury won't rule against you (or won't rule against you as hard). For all the people who say that wasn't really possible or that Alex couldn't think that was an option--the lawyer who at that moment pressing him for his financials and who he know would doggedly pursue him LITERALLY TESTIFIED IN THIS TRIAL that once Maggie and Paul were killed he knew that no jury would award a huge multi million dollar settlement against Alex, and it changed his action in the case.

Most people aren't in category 1. Most people aren't in category 4. Almost no one is in category 1&4--so of course it doesn't make sense to you personally. We haven't grown up in his world. Most of us have never had a million dollars to our name.

 

[stmarysmead]

The Prosecutors podcast was doing a live recording about 404 evidence in the Murdaugh trial the other day. And one of them made this point multiple times:

They keep hearing people say they don't understand how the mounting financial and personal reputation pressures would be motive enough for Alex to kill his wife and child. And their response to that is: Good! If you can thoroughly understand it, we're worried about you. You don't understand it because none of you are in his situation and none of you (hopefully) are the kind of person he is.

****

My thoughts to clarify those points to those who say they don't understand it/don't buy the motive:

This motive is only going to personally make sense to the doubters if all the following conditions apply:

1) Your family has dominated and manipulated the power, social, and legal structure in the area you live in for multiple generations going back.

2) Because of #1, your family and you have always escaped consequences for your bad actions--lying, cheating, stealing, etc.

3) But now the patriarch of this family dynasty, the one who is stronger than you or your brothers, is dying and will be dying VERY SOON. Your fixer will be gone.

4) You have been stealing MILLIONS of dollars from many clients and friends for YEARS and have hidden it by shuffling it around, always keeping money moving, always paying enough back when it looks like you might get busted to cover your *advertiser censored* for a while longer. But you've gotten too greedy and have gotten too many balls in the air now. Your clients are actually starting to notice missing money/reduced money and are asking questions through lawyers and the legal system. You've taken too much and spent too much of it to be able to quickly shove money back where it's supposed to be so that people will only wag their finger at you and let you get away with a smack on the wrist.

5) You know the courts and juries in your area intimately, and you know that the death of Paul and/or Maggie will ensure that a jury won't rule against you (or won't rule against you as hard). For all the people who say that wasn't really possible or that Alex couldn't think that was an option--the lawyer who at that moment pressing him for his financials and who he know would doggedly pursue him LITERALLY TESTIFIED IN THIS TRIAL that once Maggie and Paul were killed he knew that no jury would award a huge multi million dollar settlement against Alex, and it changed his action in the case.

Most people aren't in category 1. Most people aren't in category 4. Almost no one is in category 1&4--so of course it doesn't make sense to you personally. We haven't grown up in his world. Most of us have never had a million dollars to our name.

This is brillant and spot on!

 

[otto]

If someone cared about you and caught you doing something unhealthy they might threaten to tell your parents. If that made you angry you might push them?? Just a wild thought.

The timing of Alex arriving at the scene, and the reason for Gloria to be there, don't make sense. Cheques can be post-dated, no reason to make a separate trip to pick up the cheque. If Paul and Maggie were in their bedrooms or sleeping, Paul let the dogs out?

Why would the dogs be rambunctiously jumping on the nanny, whom they've known for years, to the point of knocking her down the steps and killing her? That doesn't make sense.

Seems like Alex might be involved. He's good at telling others what to say during an investigation (prison phone calls with Buster). "They were sleeping, she was picking up her cheque, dogs knocked her over, she died."

What's ironic is that the Gloria Satterfield lawsuit resulted in a loss of insurance coverage for Murdaugh. His max coverage became $500,000, and any claim (e.g.: boat accident) over that amount meant his loss of assets.

He might have staged the GS accident to collect $5 million in insurance claims (prior to boat accident), which he received and spent, but he could have better used it for the boat accident. It's as though he was short-sighted and greedy, and it cost him his family, his job and his freedom.

 

[gremlin444]

It is far easier for me to understand Alex's motive/thought pattern than it is for me to understand this:

Why is it that no one in that family had life insurance?? Really???? How is that not part of his life? My parents had hardly any money, and you bet they had life insurance on each other and on us kids---because they knew the financial disaster that a death could cause.

 

[Gardenista]

It is far easier for me to understand Alex's motive/thought pattern than it is for me to understand this:

Why is it that no one in that family had life insurance?? Really???? How is that not part of his life? My parents had hardly any money, and you bet they had life insurance on each other and on us kids---because they knew the financial disaster that a death could cause.

The Murdaughs should have because they were dead broke, but rich people don't usually have life insurance-there's no need for it

 

[DeDee]

Funny how pride and money can give one so many earthly things and in exchange draw the soul right out one.

That's so true about money and earthly delights eating one's soul if one let's them. I'm not sure we've heard the worst about AM and what we do know is inexcusable, despicable, unacceptable, punishable behavior.

Reasons for murders typically are one of these, to include money. Det Mains taught the acronym

GSR:
Greed
Sex
Revenge

 

[Boodles]

5) You know the courts and juries in your area intimately, and you know that the death of Paul and/or Maggie will ensure that a jury won't rule against you (or won't rule against you as hard). For all the people who say that wasn't really possible or that Alex couldn't think that was an option--the lawyer who at that moment pressing him for his financials and who he know would doggedly pursue him LITERALLY TESTIFIED IN THIS TRIAL that once Maggie and Paul were killed he knew that no jury would award a huge multi million dollar settlement against Alex, and it changed his action in the case.

^^^^^THIS! The devastation of being exposed and being the destructor of the family legacy was something Alex Murdaugh would not tolerate. He did “what was necessary” to protect his status and pride.

I hope the jurors caught this key point. Tinsley said it out loud…no one would go after poor Alex when vigilantes had just killed his family. And the ridiculous “Cousin Eddie attempted suicide“ was supposed to be yet another vigilante trying to kill Alex. But he screwed that fakeout attempt as well.

 

[DeDee]

Last thread #21

SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #21

@sunshineray wrote:
<psbmff> I will never understand why in the world the house wasn't closed off and videoed/searched. That is Investigation 101 especially since surviving family members are ALWAYS looked at first! This was a HUGE blunder on LE's part, IMO"

This is a major blunder. It's unacceptable of SLED for not following proper protocol and sealing off and searching the House. Who in the area, within 100 miles, was not influenced by AM?

AM took a MO page from PatsyRamsey and called a bunch of folks to come over and mess up the CS while ordering Ms Muchell to clean it.

Judges recusing themselves from hearing AM's most serious cases...

 

[Seattle1]

The timing of Alex arriving at the scene, and the reason for Gloria to be there, don't make sense. Cheques can be post-dated, no reason to make a separate trip to pick up the cheque. If Paul and Maggie were in their bedrooms or sleeping, Paul let the dogs out?

Why would the dogs be rambunctiously jumping on the nanny, whom they've known for years, to the point of knocking her down the steps and killing her? That doesn't make sense.

Seems like Alex might be involved. He's good at telling others what to say during an investigation (prison phone calls with Buster). "They were sleeping, she was picking up her cheque, dogs knocked her over, she died."

What's ironic is that the Gloria Satterfield lawsuit resulted in a loss of insurance coverage for Murdaugh. His max coverage became $500,000, and any claim (e.g.: boat accident) over that amount meant his loss of assets.

He might have staged the GS accident to collect $5 million in insurance claims (prior to boat accident), which he received and spent, but he could have better used it for the boat accident. It's as though he was short-sighted and greedy, and it cost him his family, his job and his freedom.

As a large dog owner and the chief giver of treats when I arrive home, my dogs don't hesitate to "herd" me up the stairs to the mudroom.

Per the 911 call, MM stated that GS fell going up 8 brick steps to the house.

I don't know if it's true that GS fell over the dog on the steps but from the narrow stairwell and my own dog experience, I find it very plausible.

Following the testimony of Mark Tinsley (insurance matters testimony), I must admit I've had second thoughts about whether or not the dogs really caused GS's fall or if it was the deficient surface of the steps. In other words, it's my understanding pet negligence is a better insurance claim than trip and fall. MOO

Attaching additional tweets with photos where the condition of the surface of the steps could also be deemed a trip hazard (vs pet hazard).

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