SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #23

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  • #701
I, too, have been thinking that the Snapchat video would make it a done deal, but...this morning, hearing Agt DO testifying that, when DO arrived at Moselle shortly after midnight, the house at Moselle had "at least 8-10 people...members of the defendant's law firm..." -- as well as "friends and family" of the defendant's...

My mind is simply boggled beyond explanation from when we first heard a SLED agent (this was a female SLED agent with a search warrant) testify that she never checked the drain in the shower... (Okay, I understand that may sound like such a "simple" item; it is "simple", to be sure. Buuuut...just now recalling a certain case in central Illinois a few summers ago where a young Ph. D. student was kidnapped and murdered; the local LE investigators immediately went to the suspect's apartment, and checked all the drains, along with using Luminol there and in the suspect's vehicle. But I digress...)

Is it possible (dare I even ask this question?) that...back in the early summer of 2021 the local SLED agents were in awe of AM/his family/their prestige and influence over their communities? (And I myself tend to be a pro-LE person, for anyone wondering...)

Continuing to hope and pray for justice for MM and PM.

It’s definitely possible they were in awe, and I will say that they were because everyone was. Several months went by without a peep from SLED because as @MassGuy said this was so big they wanted to have everything they needed to go up against Alex. As in, there would be a lot of resistance and intimidation from the Murdaugh dynasty so they didn’t want to take a chance risking their investigation.

You can gather from what several people have said that the family was like low country mafia. No one wanted to take them on because they were like royalty.

In the video from the crime scene you can hear an officer ask another “do you know about this family”? He then says “I will fill you in”
 
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  • #703
Courtroom seems pretty riveted here! Tension is in the air.
 
  • #704
I’ve always believed the dogs are going to play a BIG part in the evidence analysis. Being the grandmother of chocolate labs, I am looking forward to Cash, Rogan’s chocolate lab, contributing to a conviction of AM.
 
  • #705
WOW! I definitely missed these dates.

AM was already in custody for insurance fraud (suicide/murder for hire) and the 2021 double murder when one year later, in June 2022, the grand jury indicted both cousin Eddie (Smith) and AM on charges of drug trafficking and money laundering.

Seems to me AM's defense was huge in keeping this indictment quiet-- especially since it goes squarely against the defense narrative that the Eddie/AM connection was supplier-buyer, and ignores that AM paid Eddie more than $3.4M over 8 year period 2013-21.

From the quoted link:

If Murdaugh's only connection to Smith had been buying drugs for personal consumption as his lawyers claimed, then the math of Murdaugh's alleged pain pill abuse would've been truly astonishing. Murdaugh would have been taking dozens of pills per day, every day, for about eight years for the dollar-to-pill breakdown to make sense.

An opioid addiction so severe isn't totally unheard of given that opioid users can build up significant tolerance to the drugs. But Waters and state prosecutors have made it clear narcotics aren't the only thing Murdaugh's stolen money went toward. He's also accused of cleaning money through Smith.

Smith even in his original bond hearing told a judge all the money Murdaugh had given him had gone back to Murdaugh. That can't be true given the state's allegations of drug trafficking between Smith and Murdaugh. And it begs the question of how and where Spencer Roberts might fit into the equation.

They are seriously downplaying this aspect. We know little of the surrounding details. We also have no details on the rehab he supposedly checked into immediately or any treating physicians.
 
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  • #707
I agree. Still doesn't change the fact that they reconciled enough to stay married for a decade and a half.

$$$ was the reason. MM must have been so angry when she found out there was almost none left. She secretly sees a divorce attorney (and starts the process of forensic accounting, IMO) but she does her own "investigating" as well. That's of course the last thing that Alex wants.

Anger is transferable. They had likely been angry at each other the whole 15 years. Many of us either know or have been in relationships where the love was replaced by tolerance, and sometimes, by anger. It's best to leave at the angry stage, before it turns to hatred, which I've also seen.

How can he go from "lovey dovey" and a great father to a double murderer? I know he is a SOB and crook but I am struggling to believe he had nerve enough to do it. He couldn't even off himself! Anyone else thinking it was a drug dealer(s) who pulled the triggers and made him watch? I think he is too scared to admit it for fear of retaliation on him and Buster. JMO

Those of us who have been in abusive relationships (and mine was with a prominent man), know exactly how quickly they can go from lovey dovey (in public) to what they do in private. And there's tons of literature on this. There are all kinds of abusive relationships, the most common of which is probably the one where the abuser feels contritition and begs for forgiveness. But once you've been physically, verbally or otherwise assaulted by your spouse, I don't think things are ever the same.

When the kids are grown and the woman starts thinking about leaving (especially if she thinks the finances would support separation - but with a reduced lifestyle for everyone), that's the most dangerous time.

No, I don't think drug dealers kill people's families in order to make someone pay their drug bills. In fact, like private criminal defense lawyers, drug dealers typically demand payment up front.

Can you think of any cases where drug dealers killed the wife and son of a client because he didn't pay them?

IMO, these are nearly non-existent, few and far between, and they don't use the guns belonging to the family.

IMO.
 
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  • #711
Not reporting the stolen weapons is pretty big. He should have been charged for not reporting them missing. Also no gun person ever just misplaces their weapons nor do they have such a lackluster care for their firearms and their location. Every sentence out of this man's mouth is a lie.
 
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It appears that both M brothers were in court room yesterday.
 
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  • #715
Not reporting the stolen weapons is pretty big. He should have been charged for not reporting them missing. Also no gun person ever just misplaces their weapons nor do they have such a lackluster care for their firearms and their location. Every sentence out of this man's mouth is a lie.
Know I don't as a parttime gun smith and my own weapons on hand. All are on file and maintained as well and locked in an gun safe er um three gun safes. Other then the pistol I carry with a concealed weapons permit the rest are tucked away like babies in the steel crib.
 
  • #716
I would love to read investigators’ notes :)
 
  • #717
They are seriously downplaying this aspect. We know little of the surrounding details. We also have no details on the rehab he supposedly checked into immediately or any treating physicians.

Maybe because of HIPAA
 
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  • #719
Curious about thoughts on if the prosecution should have played these videos first and then tied in the witness testimony to refute his story? Maybe the testimony's would have been clearer to the Jury. What do you all think?
 
  • #720
$$$ was the reason. MM must have been so angry when she found out there was almost none left. She secretly sees a divorce attorney (and starts the process of forensic accounting, IMO) but she does her own "investigating" as well. That's of course the last thing that Alex wants.

Anger is transferable. They had likely been angry at each other the whole 15 years. Many of us either know or have been in relationships where the love was replaced by tolerance, and sometimes, by anger. It's best to leave at the angry stage, before it turns to hatred, which I've also seen.



Those of us who have been in abusive relationships (and mine was with a prominent man), know exactly how quickly they can go from lovey dovey (in public) to what they do in private. And there's tons of literature on this. There are all kinds of abusive relationships, the most common of which is probably the one where the abuser feels contritition and begs for forgiveness. But once you've been physically, verbally or otherwise assaulted by your spouse, I don't think things are ever the same.

When the kids are grown and the woman starts thinking about leaving (especially if she thinks the finances would support separation - but with a reduced lifestyle for everyone), that's the most dangerous time.

No, I don't think drug dealers kill people's families in order to make someone pay their drug bills. In fact, like private criminal defense lawyers, drug dealers typically demand payment up front.

Can you think of any cases where drug dealers killed the wife and son of a client because he didn't pay them?

IMO, these are nearly non-existent, few and far between, and they don't use the guns belonging to the family.

IMO.

Can you provide a link showing that MM was doing her own investigating, planning on divorcing and secretly seeing divorce attorneys?
 
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