SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #23

[CrownCowboy1]

Pretty impressive cross examination by Giffin today with Owen. No matter what you think happened in this case.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Yes golf cart.

It'd be nice if they didn't ignore all the tire tracks near the kennels.

 

[Edvis]

All the shotguns were loaded with 2 different types of ammo though. I don't know the technicalities about shotgun bullets, but I heard them say every shotgun was checked and all of them had 2 different things, which was unusual.. so this defense attorney is just trying to make him out to be a liar when he just was mistaken when saying turkey and buck or whatever it was and in fact they all were loaded with 2 different bullets just like Paul was shot with 2 different ones, which is unusual for a shotgun to be loaded with 2 different ones.

Agreed a weapon can use different ammo in the same weapon but usually when your focused on one game species you have same ammo even brand in that weapon and many states restrict the type of ammo used for game in that state. Slug rounds, buckshot and bird shot for shotguns. If their loading random rounds in the weapon it's almost like they just put in whatever to shoot anything hmm.

 

[Boismom]

I really thought there was more to the cell phone info really odd this is it

 

[Derph]

All the shotguns were loaded with 2 different types of ammo though. I don't know the technicalities about shotgun bullets, but I heard them say every shotgun was checked and all of them had 2 different things, which was unusual.. so this defense attorney is just trying to make him out to be a liar when he just was mistaken when saying turkey and buck or whatever it was and in fact they all were loaded with 2 different bullets just like Paul was shot with 2 different ones, which is unusual for a shotgun to be loaded with 2 different ones.

Not really. When I had a home invasion I loaded two different types of rounds in my shotgun. I loaded a round of bird shot 1st and 00 buck shot for the next two rounds ( a shotgun used for hunting only loads 3 at a time). My thinking at the time was if I had to fire the 1st shot would send a message and if I had to, wound the intruderor minimize the damage to my house. If they kept coming or didn't leave ( there were 2 intruders) the next two rounds of buckshot would kill them or wound them severely. Luckily they left when I confronted them and I called the cops.

It's actually not unheard of to load a shotgun that way for home defense.

 

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[justtrish]

Also, it is VERY important that Alex LIED about how long he was at his moms. He lied about nearly every single thing he did from the time he left work, including the actual time he left work. A couple hours riding around with Paul on the property, having dinner for 15-20 minutes, napping, gone to his moms for hour and a half.. called 911 just after 10. Said he wasn't at the kennel before going to his moms. THIS is huge. Seriously, he's heard at the kennel at 8:40-8:44 on the phone call with Paul's friend, then in a video Paul takes for that same friend he's heard again after 8:44.. so when is this nap? Also, why is he then calling and texting Maggie right at 9 about going to his moms.. wasn't he just at the kennel in person with her? Oh no he can't admit that because then the calls and texts don't make sense and it definitely doesn't make sense that he is recording steps during his nap or that he tried to get his moms caregiver to say he was there longer than what he was..

the reason the time was so important was because Alex felt the need to lie about it and to get others to lie for him. So Alex's words and actions is the reason the time an issue.

 

[Sunshynn]

Once again... many missteps by SLED.

Agreed.
Even though AM was their only suspect at this point, they still treated him differently because of who he and his family are.

 

[justtrish]

Not really. When I had a home invasion I loaded two different types of rounds in my shotgun. I loaded a round of bird shot 1st and 00 buck shot for the next two rounds ( a shotgun used for hunting only loads 3 at a time). My thinking at the time was if I had to fire the 1st shot would send a message and if I had to wound the intruder. If they kept coming or didn't leave ( there were 2 intruders) the next two rounds of buckshot would kill them or wound them severely. Luckily they left when I confronted them and I called the cops.

It's actually not unheard of to load a shotgun that way for home defense.

But their shotguns were not for home defense. They were for hunting. Who goes out hunting birds and loads various things into the shotgun? I would think you load the bullets appropriate for what you are intending to hunt. They had a house full of guns and I can't imagine the shotgun would be first in mind for home defense. I know what my husband has at the ready for home defense and it's not a shotgun.

 

[Warwick7]

Mr. Owen is not on trial. moo

Exactly !!!

 

[10ofRods]

All the shotguns were loaded with 2 different types of ammo though. I don't know the technicalities about shotgun bullets, but I heard them say every shotgun was checked and all of them had 2 different things, which was unusual.. so this defense attorney is just trying to make him out to be a liar when he just was mistaken when saying turkey and buck or whatever it was and in fact they all were loaded with 2 different bullets just like Paul was shot with 2 different ones, which is unusual for a shotgun to be loaded with 2 different ones.

I think they are called "shells" for shotguns. And we have three different kinds loaded in our shotgun (which is the same type of shotgun as one of the Murdaugh guns).

The reason is that the first shot would be non-fatal, but definitely a deterrent to further action by anyone coming inside the house. We took courses on this. But my dad, who was military, a marksman and at one time, an avid hunter, did the same thing. Having birdshot as the first shell means that it's unlikely (unless at close range), you'd actually kill a human. Dad figured that any intruder into our very small house would be an adult male (or at least, he didn't plan to shoot at any other type of person, I guess). He felt that birdshot would do the trick. His second shot was a slug and it would have killed almost anyone on the property if hit in the torso.

Birdshot is not likely to be lethal if not at close range, especially if the target is burly. Which is why Dad had that second shell in there. We have a second shell in ours that's a slug, as well (and we were told at the gun range that it would stop a car if we hit the engine at 100 feet).

However, in our self defense and home protection classes, they told us to use buckshot instead of birdshot as the first shell. But there are mixed shells and I understand why someone might want those as a first shell.

In fact, I think that we have bird shot, then buck shot, then a slug (I'll have to check).

We live in a neighborhood, and we don't want shots penetrating walls and going anywhere else (although the nearest houses aren't that close, still). I am myself completely convinced that the typical home intruder in my area would respond to either bird shot or buck shot by either being immobilized or by fleeing. We have two pistols to deal with the aftermath if necessary (this is what my police friends said might work for me - we live not far from an area with an active gang presence). We also have two dogs with keen hearing who will bark like crazy if anyone even walks by our fence (and if a twig breaks in the backyard at night - which is quite rare, actually). And of course, we have an alarm system - the idea being that we will *not* have to fire close upon a person.

Anyway, all the shotguns in my family have always had either birdshot or mixed as a first round, then buckshot, then a slug (unless there were only two chambers, in which case, slug was second). But the semi-automatic shotgun that Murdaugh had can shoot up to 6 slugs, I think, without reloading.

 

[arielilane]

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[Boodles]

Agreed a weapon can use different ammo in the same weapon but usually when your focused on one game species you have same ammo even brand in that weapon and many states restrict the type of ammo used for game in that state. Slug rounds, buckshot and bird shot for shotguns. If their loading random rounds in the weapon it's almost like they just put in whatever to shoot anything hmm.

Isn’t that really weird though? The detective seemed to imply that was significant. I don’t get it. Then again, I know zero about firearms.

Was he implying AM was planning to do a buckshot/birdshot murder and had all his shotguns ready for such on a moment’s notice? That doesn’t make sense. Or does it?

 

[makayla]

Also, it is VERY important that Alex LIED about how long he was at his moms. He lied about nearly every single thing he did from the time he left work, including the actual time he left work. A couple hours riding around with Paul on the property, having dinner for 15-20 minutes, napping, gone to his moms for hour and a half.. called 911 just after 10. Said he wasn't at the kennel before going to his moms. THIS is huge. Seriously, he's heard at the kennel at 8:40-8:44 on the phone call with Paul's friend, then in a video Paul takes for that same friend he's heard again after 8:44.. so when is this nap? Also, why is he then calling and texting Maggie right at 9 about going to his moms.. wasn't he just at the kennel in person with her? Oh no he can't admit that because then the calls and texts don't make sense and it definitely doesn't make sense that he is recording steps during his nap or that he tried to get his moms caregiver to say he was there longer than what he was..

the reason the time was so important was because Alex felt the need to lie about it and to get others to lie for him. So Alex's words and actions is the reason the time an issue.

Exactly! And I still believe the timeline and the dogs are great evidence of AM attempting to cover up his involvement in the deaths of his wife and son …. in my opinion

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Exactly !!!

I'm confused by what you guys are implicating? Would it be okay for any witness to lie or give wrong information when testifying because they aren't on trial? They shouldn't have these things explored?

 

[Tanager]

Yes golf cart.

Only one key to grab so no one can drive off.

 

[bestill]

Agreed.
Even though AM was their only suspect at this point, they still treated him differently because of who he and his family are.

Can you imagine the backlash if SLED had searched his mother and dad's home that night? LE was in between a rock and hard place from the moment it happened. JMO

 

[10ofRods]

But their shotguns were not for home defense. They were for hunting. Who goes out hunting birds and loads various things into the shotgun? I would think you load the bullets appropriate for what you are intending to hunt. They had a house full of guns and I can't imagine the shotgun would be first in mind for home defense. I know what my husband has at the ready for home defense and it's not a shotgun.

How do you know the guns weren't for both? My dads' long guns were all for hunting, but naturally, he was going to use them for defense if the need arose.

We have a shotgun, recommended to us by our home defense class instructor, by local police, and by various members of the County Sheriff's office (I taught at the POST Academy for about 10 years, got lots of advice).

If the intruder were outside the house, or had just busted the front door (which is quite a distance from our bedroom), we'd be glad for the shotgun (and the line of sight for our hallway does not line up with our neighbors' house - all of that I was told to think about and check). I am pretty determined never to use it (my police friends encouraged me to get a .22; I was surprised how many of the older officers had that for home defense). But others encouraged the semi-automatic shotgun, loaded with shells in increasing lethality (which somehow makes sense to me?)

 

[Edvis]

Alex in moo is not walking from this.

Feel like the defense is just sticking fingers in the same ole holes that have been there from the start, maybe a few new one's. I don't find it riveting but just the defense stepping up to the mound with a different bat hoping for that home run trying to hit within their happy zone. With the Titanic within view I'm reminded of the bad rivets and steel that were used in the area of the rip that took it down, Defense can't use bad "riveting" rivets and steel to keep their ship afloat as well. IMO just feel like I'm getting a reworded version of what the defense has thrown around already but we all must continue to go with the ebb and flow of this case/crazy train.