SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #24

[10ofRods]

I don't know that I buy he's an opioid addict anyway. Seems awfully hyper all the time. But it was easier to get pills from doctors 10 years ago. Now even legit pain patients often have trouble.
JMO

He's hyper now, but he's not on opiates now, is he?

Hyper people often find opiates to be helpful. Indeed, opiate addiction and a range personality disorders. In my own experience, opiate addiction in women is often associated with personality disorders (I studied unhospitalized Histrionic PD persons and hospitalized BPD persons).

Indeed, opiate addiction across most PD's is higher than average:

Personality disorders in opiate addicts show prognostic specificity

Early studies examining the relationship of personality disorders to opiate addiction attempted to define an “addictive personality.” Later research f…

www.sciencedirect.com

(has a good bibliography at the bottom)

This articles mentions BPD and opiates in particular:

Europe PMC

Europe PMC is an archive of life sciences journal literature.

europepmc.org

Opiates are also used disproportionately by Bipolar I patients. I can remember the days when Bipolar persons were prescribed opiates by some psychiatrists, long long ago. And some research shows that in combination with other medication for Bipolar, in conjunction with mood stabilizers it seems to improve the condition (beyond mood stabilizers alone).

//Mood-regulating properties of slow-acting opiates
To date, the use of opioid drugs in the treatment of mental disorders has remained largely untested, despite evidence of their anti-dysphoric, anxiolytic and anti-aggressive effects (Verebey, 1982b). Regrettably, the fear of favoring an epidemic of opiate addiction, regardless of the opiate to be used, has overwhelmed scientific interest in the primary psychotropic properties of opiates, as well as clinicians' demand for drugs able to demonstrate an anti-aggressive and anti-dysphoric efficacy.//

That's a quote from:

Toward a unitary perspective on the bipolar spectrum and substance abuse: Opiate addiction as a paradigm

Bipolar spectrum disorders and addiction often co-occur and constitute reciprocal risk factors that the authors believe are best considered under a un…

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[10ofRods]

Right now this allegation about $50K a week disbursed to CES is coming from AM's mouth but the evidence is not part of this case.

The financial crimes indictment cites AM wrote checks in excess of $2.3M to CES over an 8-year period.

Murdaugh accomplice accused of helping steal $2.5 million from clients

COLUMBIA, S.C. (WSAV) – New indictments against Alex Murdaugh and accomplice Curtis “Eddie” Smith were announced by South Carolina’s attorney general on Tuesday. A state grand jur…

www.wsav.com

Oh my goodness. Wow. Well, it sure wasn't just for opiates, IMO.

Where did it go? What the heck!

Unless of course, AM was buying for a lot of people.

MOO.

 

[detectivewannab]

The fact that Griffin in cross examination referenced ‘cousin Eddie’ and thus opened the door for Eddie to take the stand ….
Was that a mistake on Griffin’s part? Are the rest of the defence team upset that he opened this door? Is Alex upset by this turn of events?

IMO. Everything they do is for a reason. Very calculating. In my opinion they want a retail or hung jury.

 

[Derph]

I have a feeling Cousin Eddie has a surprise card he's saving to play before everything is said and done.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Rose colored glasses?

Sociopathy IMO

 

[mrjitty]

I think the 50k per week claim is just so he can pretend the money is gone.

 

[Walela]

Wasn't he money laundering and not just purchasing drugs? He appeared to be making those huge purchases, but isn't it possible most of the money went...elsewhere?

I missed the testimony about the drug purchases - who testified that he was spending $50,000 a week?

We know from the jail calls he spent $60K to one person who was supposed to help (influence) BM get back into law school after he was kicked out for cheating so I feel certain there were many other "tasks" he needed done that he paid for with his stolen funds. IMO, to get away with so much without repercussions palms must be greased donations are required with no paper trails. jmo

 

[mrjitty]

Right now this allegation about $50K a week disbursed to CES is coming from AM's mouth but the evidence is not part of this case.

The financial crimes indictment cites AM wrote checks in excess of $2.3M to CES over an 8-year period.

Murdaugh accomplice accused of helping steal $2.5 million from clients

COLUMBIA, S.C. (WSAV) – New indictments against Alex Murdaugh and accomplice Curtis “Eddie” Smith were announced by South Carolina’s attorney general on Tuesday. A state grand jur…

www.wsav.com

That will be a fascinating case!

 

[sunshineray]

What does Curtis ‘Cousin Eddie’ Smith know in Murdaugh case?

The attorney representing Smith believes her client will be a star witness in Murdaugh’s trial.

www.counton2.com

Jan 25, 2023

The attorney representing Smith, however, believes her client will be a star witness in Murdaugh’s trial and that as a result, Smith’s name will be cleared.

Alleged Alex Murdaugh accomplice, Curtis Smith, arrested

“I believe that when he (Murdaugh) lured Eddie out to the side of the road, he was gonna kill him and blame this whole thing on him … I firmly believe that was what was gonna happen,” Aimee Zmroczek said Monday during an appearance on “Banfield.”

Hummm star witness huh? Is Eddie going to spill the beans that AM said this and that about PM and MM? Did he tell him his whole world was crashing down, PM's boat case and PM kept detecting his pill stashes? MM wondering why they couldn't get another house in Hilton Head if they sold Edisto? All the clients he stole from coming back to haunt him? The crooked bank people getting really worried? Did he possibly tell him he was going to make all that go away? Just what will Cousin Eddie have to say I wonder?

 

[General wooster]

Right now this allegation about $50K a week disbursed to CES is coming from AM's mouth but the evidence is not part of this case.

The financial crimes indictment cites AM wrote checks in excess of $2.3M to EES over an 8-year period.

Murdaugh accomplice accused of helping steal $2.5 million from clients

COLUMBIA, S.C. (WSAV) – New indictments against Alex Murdaugh and accomplice Curtis “Eddie” Smith were announced by South Carolina’s attorney general on Tuesday. A state grand jur…

www.wsav.com

Big picture. Jurors get it when it’s at a regular person’s eye level. To them, I think, this underscores a person who is out of control. They think, as I do, “What person could conceive of outplaying this kind of money?“. I would, and do, affirm that person is capable of anything. Difficult to accept, yet it’s clear he would, he has, and he will. As a juror, I think most would find it impossible to let him walk away.

 

[pizzaman12]

I think the 50k per week claim is just so he can pretend the money is gone.

There were 437 checks so plenty of paper trail

 

[pizzaman12]

Hummm star witness huh? Is Eddie going to spill the beans that AM said this and that about PM and MM? Did he tell him his whole world was crashing down, PM's boat case and PM kept detecting his pill stashes? MM wondering why they couldn't get another house in Hilton Head if they sold Edisto? All the clients he stole from coming back to haunt him? The crooked bank people getting really worried? Did he possibly tell him he was going to make all that go away? Just what will Cousin Eddie have to say I wonder?

Not credible. I know I wouldn't believe anything he said even if there were truth to it.

He even said AM was his attorney after the shooting.

 

[General wooster]

Hummm star witness huh? Is Eddie going to spill the beans that AM said this and that about PM and MM? Did he tell him his whole world was crashing down, PM's boat case and PM kept detecting his pill stashes? MM wondering why they couldn't get another house in Hilton Head if they sold Edisto? All the clients he stole from coming back to haunt him? The crooked bank people getting really worried? Did he possibly tell him he was going to make all that go away? Just what will Cousin Eddie have to say I wonder?

i believe that you won’t see Eddie at this trial. You will at the other one.

 

[Seattle1]

Yes, $1 per mg but IF he was going thru that many pills he would be getting a steep discount. There is definitely something else going on there.

Really? Only a buck for illegal oxy?

Maybe this was just defense posturing for the alleged $50K week habit but somewhere I read AM was paying about $30/ea. pill. MOO

ETA: found the link

To date, investigators believe Alex Murdaugh misappropriated in excess of $8.4 million between at least 2011 and 2021, paying Smith $3.4 million along the way. Meantime, the FBI's narcotics task force suggests the average street value of oxycodone ranges from $15 to $30 per pill.

Who is Spencer Roberts? PPP loan fraud suspect tied to Alex Murdaugh & Eddie Smith

WLOS News 13 provides local news, weather forecasts, traffic updates, notices of events and items of interest in the community, sports and entertainment programming for Asheville, NC and nearby towns and communities in Western North Carolina and the Upstate of South Carolina, including the...

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[Edvis]

I have a feeling Cousin Eddie has a surprise card he's saving to play before everything is said and done.

Better an Ace in the hole then "The Dead Man's Hand", didn't work in Hickoks favor.

 

[Walela]

I'm surprised that the both of them made it off the roadside. Both fumbling for the pistol it goes off shooting both of em as a clown car goes by honking that ole clown horn.

I don't see it as bumbling but it could have been. I believe CES carefully laid the barrel of the gun pointing upward against the back of his skull and pulled the trigger. I think this would create the crease-burn superficial wound as seen in the following pics.
Alex Murdaugh did not show signs of visible head injury during Thursday bond hearing

jmo...

 

[NCWatcher]

He's hyper now, but he's not on opiates now, is he?

Hyper people often find opiates to be helpful. Indeed, opiate addiction and a range personality disorders. In my own experience, opiate addiction in women is often associated with personality disorders (I studied unhospitalized Histrionic PD persons and hospitalized BPD persons).

Indeed, opiate addiction across most PD's is higher than average:

Personality disorders in opiate addicts show prognostic specificity

Early studies examining the relationship of personality disorders to opiate addiction attempted to define an “addictive personality.” Later research f…

www.sciencedirect.com

(has a good bibliography at the bottom)

This articles mentions BPD and opiates in particular:

Europe PMC

Europe PMC is an archive of life sciences journal literature.

europepmc.org

Opiates are also used disproportionately by Bipolar I patients. I can remember the days when Bipolar persons were prescribed opiates by some psychiatrists, long long ago. And some research shows that in combination with other medication for Bipolar, in conjunction with mood stabilizers it seems to improve the condition (beyond mood stabilizers alone).

//Mood-regulating properties of slow-acting opiates
To date, the use of opioid drugs in the treatment of mental disorders has remained largely untested, despite evidence of their anti-dysphoric, anxiolytic and anti-aggressive effects (Verebey, 1982b). Regrettably, the fear of favoring an epidemic of opiate addiction, regardless of the opiate to be used, has overwhelmed scientific interest in the primary psychotropic properties of opiates, as well as clinicians' demand for drugs able to demonstrate an anti-aggressive and anti-dysphoric efficacy.//

That's a quote from:

Toward a unitary perspective on the bipolar spectrum and substance abuse: Opiate addiction as a paradigm

Bipolar spectrum disorders and addiction often co-occur and constitute reciprocal risk factors that the authors believe are best considered under a un…

www.sciencedirect.com

Good pts. Glad you posted. But really I wasn't in just judging AM's current "hyper" behavior but also the way people who knew him for years described him-- always in a rush, frenetic, loud, flights of ideas, difficulty concentrating....that doesn't sound like someone with a heavy opioid habit (& sufficient supply) to me. Sure, he could have other mental issues but I think talking about those is against WS TOS. And even if he did, I'd think $50K/wk (or even a more realistically-priced habit) would calm him down, a purported reason opiates appeal to those with Bipolar I and "upper" type drugs appeal to other groups.
JMO

 

[justtrish]

I have thought the SAME thing! There is NO WAY he was THAT Addicted. I honestly believe that he was involved in a drug running cartel and THEY shot and killed Maggie and Paul in front of Alex....

I think what we know about before and after don't line up with this. He wanted them to come out there that night. I don't think Maggie would have been out there if he didn't ask her to and it sounds like Paul was asked to come as well to look at the fields he would need to fix. The cartel people would have to show up there without alerting anyone and the dogs not going crazy. It had to be at some point just right after Paul takes that video because nothing is amiss in that recording that we hear.. just talking about Bubba having a chicken. So the cartel shows up and uses Alex's guns to shoot 2 people (not only that but the odd way Paul was shot seems even more odd when thinking about a stranger from a cartel using this shotgun to shoot that way, he wouldn't need to be crouching down to hide. he would likely just come at him and Paul would have surely been alerted by something.. mom screaming about strange men being there.. he was in that room like nothing was amiss just getting something for the dogs when he was surprised. I don't see strange drug cartel people arriving like that, getting access to Alex's weapons, not alerting anyone and then shooting Paul the way he was shot. I think I'd need to see the property from overhead and look for possible ways that a sneak attack could have happened. IF Alex didn't want his family dead, surely he'd be trying to fight them off or something? Also, if Alex didn't personally shoot them, why change clothing? Why toss Maggies phone? Then he would formulate a plan to go to his moms in that short time because his car is started at 9:06. I'm not sure why Alex even left that property that night if it was a cartel that came and left, if his claim was he was napping why not just say he woke from a nap and found them. He had to leave to dispose of evidence, it's the only way. Unless the cartel wanted to frame Alex?

 

[Ravenmoon]

Yea I caught that

It is possible that AM began his addiction with prescribed pain killers.

That is often the origins for many

JMO

 

[detectivewannab]

Hummm star witness huh? Is Eddie going to spill the beans that AM said this and that about PM and MM? Did he tell him his whole world was crashing down, PM's boat case and PM kept detecting his pill stashes? MM wondering why they couldn't get another house in Hilton Head if they sold Edisto? All the clients he stole from coming back to haunt him? The crooked bank people getting really worried? Did he possibly tell him he was going to make all that go away? Just what will Cousin Eddie have to say I wonder?

Cousin Eddie has done "Dirty deals done real cheap" for years! Oh the stories we could hear.