VERDICT WATCH SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #35

[TeaTime]

I hope the defense brings in a drug counseling person to attest to the high amount of oxy he claims..I bet they will say they have have seen this before..a doctor may say that this dose is poison..but that would be if you hadn't built an extreme tolerance...mOO

The trial is over. No more witnesses.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Agree, but I don't think they can hide it from family and close friends they see on a daily basis. There are just to many signs IMO.

It depends on what level friends and family have been exposed to drug addiction. If that's not something they were used to encountering, they may not even notice the signs or they could be explained away i.e. "i had a bad nights sleep", "I'm sick", "I'm run down" etc etc

 

[Cindizzi]

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[Wishbone]

Where did all of the money go?

Cayman Islands, Switzerland, or Belize

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I wonder if the jury is as tired of hearing about the financial crimes as I am? They have shown enough that he is a liar and a thief and it’s not really what I would need to hear right now if I was on the jury. I sure hope after the lunch break he focuses on the night of the murder and lays out that timeline and on the weapons being from the family gun collection.

I’m not sure that anyone can actually prove the motive here - still think there is more to it than I understand anyway. But opportunity and means is why I cannot find reasonable doubt.

I don’t think there is any motive that would make this make sense. I do believe he was looking for a path out of his problems. Moo

 

[minazoe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He stole money. We heard it.

1,000 mgs a day is so doable. If one is taking 80mg Oxys, it is only 12.5 pills per day. Personally have seen that kind of usage and the person functioned at a highly successful career for decades. Then, he died because his liver and kidneys were destroyed and stopped functioning.

How would killing Paul benefit AM? The boat case doesn't go away as AM was the owner of the boat.

How would killing Maggie benefit AM? It wouldn't get him out of debt.

So far, the closing is just - blah.

this is where I am with this too..also I think Alex does have the carriage to overcome his troubles..it's called bankruptcy..people do it every day..his life wasn't over..there's so much he could have done regardless...make amends..

I don't know..witch hunt? mOO

 

[Seattle1]

He is not reinstated, to my knowledge. I believe there are separate legal proceedings involving Maggie's estate and the Moselle property. Alex's 401(k) was given to his attorneys for their fees in the current case.

I don't think Buster can access the assets of Moselle for loans nor can he sell it. IMO.

Buster was not a beneficiary of MM's estate as she left her entire estate to AM.

In addition to dropping Buster from the wrongful death suit, it was a gesture by the Beach Family and John Marvin to provide for Buster from the liquidation proceeds of MM's estate so he would receive about $500K.

(John Marvin renounced his personal representative fees in good faith for the Beach settlement).

See the MEDIA ONLY thread for the Beach Settlement Agreement.

 

[10ofRods]

This makes a lot of sense to me. Opioid addicts don't just sorta need pills one day and need them more the next and less on day 3. That's not how addiction works; people build up tolerance and need more over time. If you read about why the OxyContin recommended dosage created addicts (apart from people using opioids, it's because it was supposed to last 12 hours but as people developed tolerance, it wore off faster and faster so people told more. And addicts are usually either puffed up with denial or full of shame. He's not embarrassed about anything. Not stealing or lying or being supposedly addicted or failing to "save" his wife and son who were murdered while he supposedly took a nap. There is snuffling and tears but not anguish about what happened.

And what's really strange is that at no time did AM (in his rambling testimony) say how much he wants to find the real killers or what he has done to do that. He doesn't mention how he hounded LE to find the real killers or received reports from them regarding their efforts to find the real killers.

An innocent person in AM's position, if they loved their wife and son at all, would be bent on finding Justice for them. They would talk about little else and it would enter into their conversations and testimony.

IMO.

 

[justtrish]

This makes a lot of sense to me. Opioid addicts don't just sorta need pills one day and need them more the next and less on day 3. That's not how addiction works; people build up tolerance and need more over time. If you read about why the OxyContin recommended dosage created addicts (apart from people using opioids, it's because it was supposed to last 12 hours but as people developed tolerance, it wore off faster and faster so people told more. And addicts are usually either puffed up with denial or full of shame. He's not embarrassed about anything. Not stealing or lying or being supposedly addicted or failing to "save" his wife and son who were murdered while he supposedly took a nap. There is snuffling and tears but not anguish about what happened.

Exactly! This is why I question just how many drugs he was taking and just how addicted he was. He wants the excuse and sympathy for being an addict, but he can't even say how much he was taking. His life is perfectly together (well as an outsider looking and as his law partners saw him).. how did he never have withdrawl at work? How did he never run out of drugs when something imporant was going on at work? How did they not know he went to detox 2X prior to Sept of 2021? These are things I think that make me question. Maybe his addiction escallated leading up to June 2021 because he was feeling pressed about finances and the boat case, but I don't think he was THAT addicged for 20 years and not a sole knew about it. He would have said I needed more and more to satisfy my craving.

What else makes him not believable is he says being confronted that day about stealing was no big deal, the boat case was no big deal, finances not a big deal. He had to minimize ALL of that because THAT would be motive for murder. If he said yes I was feeling stressed, they were going to learn I was stealing, I was worried about that boat case, I was stressed the heck out and I needed drugs and more drugs because it's the only way I could cope. Well he can't say that because that would sound like motive to murder.. so he LIED and said I wasn't worried, I wasn't worried about my stealing, my negative bank account, being sued, my sons criminal case, the family name, nothing.. I was just peachy and addcited to drugs that's all.. nothing to see here.

 

[Edvis]

Just watching AM's expressions as Waters speaks, even catching slight grins as he whispers something to his lawyer. As Waters touched on about AM lying to people right to their face it's clear he has become a professional doing it and his biggest challenge was doing the same to the jurors. If one cannot see through this then you just got fooled yourself and just another example of how good AM is at doing it IMO.

 

[Cindizzi]

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[Seattle1]

We mostly agree. But I do disagree on AMs IQ. I don't think anyone with any intelligence at all would even for a moment that killing their wife and son would buy them some sort of reprieve.


I don't think they backed off their lawsuit. The one lawyer said he was all set to go to court over at least one of the fraud cases.

Either way, this guy is screwed. I just think there are probably some other characters here that need to be brought to justice too.

Agree. On this date, AM and the estate of PM are the remaining Murdaugh defendants in the wrongful death suit by Beach Family.

PM's criminal charges were dropped upon his death, and claims against Buster and MM have already been settled.

ETA: The case against Parker Convenience Store is also pending.

 

[ch_13]

this is where I am with this too..also I think Alex does have the carriage to overcome his troubles..it's called bankruptcy..people do it every day..his life wasn't over..there's so much he could have done regardless...make amends..

I don't know..witch hunt? mOO

Bankruptcy is a big deal for a licensed attorney and can sometimes mean disciplinary actions from the state bar.

In any case, it was never an option for Alex. He was stealing from clients and his partners. Any bankruptcy filing is going to cause a lot of unwanted scrutiny from the US trustee and unravel all his schemes.

Edit - As an aside, There are a lot of cases with dead spouses where you could similarly ask the question, "Why not just get a divorce?" Murder is not a rational crime.

 

[Seattle1]

Just watching AM's expressions as Waters speaks, even catching slight grins as he whispers something to his lawyer. As Waters touched on about AM lying to people right to their face it's clear he has become a professional doing it and his biggest challenge was doing the same to the jurors. If one cannot see through this then you just got fooled yourself and just another example of how good AM is at doing it IMO.

Lol -- AM's body language says it all. He regards A/G Waters as a little man that he can chew up and spit out. But AM forgets that he's sleepin in a jail cell every night.

 

[Gardenista]

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[Cindizzi]

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[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

this is where I am with this too..also I think Alex does have the carriage to overcome his troubles..it's called bankruptcy..people do it every day..his life wasn't over..there's so much he could have done regardless...make amends..

I don't know..witch hunt? mOO

He had 10 years of stealing and borrowing to pay bills because he never recovered from losses during the recession, why didn’t he ever file for bankruptcy?

 

[Cindizzi]

Lol -- AM's body language says it all. He regards A/G Waters as a little man that he can chew up and spit out. But AM forgets that he's sleepin in a jail cell every night.

Bo went from Moselle to Muh Cell !

 

[everlearning]

I sure wish we could hear some jailhouse calls made during the trial. Those that Mandy Matney got early on were very telling of AM's personality and demeanor. Even his conscience. I'm particularly thinking about the one where he wants Buster to hunt on Moselle, and he is not interested. Why would a father suggest that his son, whose mom & brother were brutally killed there? AM is empty. Maybe not empty. He is full of himself.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

How would killing Paul benefit AM? The boat case doesn't go away as AM was the owner of the boat.

How would killing Maggie benefit AM? It wouldn't get him out of debt.

It does get him out of his troubles temporarily. Might as well ask why he keeps stealing money since it doesn't permanently solve his problem, only temporarily. Therefore he was not stealing money?

Clearly, he was not making good decisions.