VERDICT WATCH SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #35

[Seattle1]

Alec would never file for bankruptcy.

1. Murdaughs don't do bankruptcy.
2. Bankruptcy would expose his financial which would impact him professionally and criminally.
3. Alec didn't intend to be broke ever. He expected IMO to crawl out of this moneywormhole. The murders changed the landscape. He'd be the victim, the boat lawsuit would ease up, he'd move money around as he had always done, pay back CW, satisfy the firm and carry on.
4. He wasn't interested in losing Moselle.
5. He'd lose Maggie before he'd lose Moselle.

Maggie who he couldn't personalize, couldn't recall their last conversations, couldn't recall the nature of her health concerns, never once indicated he should've been there to protect her, had no regrets....

Business as usual. Make and take advantage of whatever is at hand.

Today at the defense table, that arrogance? That's who he is. It's game day. Closing arguments, probably his favorite day, if he ever had a case go to trial. Play to the jury. Which is exactly what he's doing.

Jury didn’t come to play.

I have faith in them.

May they see Alec for what he is and find him guilty as charged.

JMO

Just as MM was barely a footnote, in this case, MM's bicycle was left outside, exposed to the elements, to rust. In the Murdaugh dynasty, MM was collateral damage -- she was not a Murdaugh. MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes -- It was just as we believed. His defense released a statement that a book was given to a member of the defense for AM.

Alex Murdaugh accused of possessing jailhouse contraband, trial analyst says

The South Carolina Law Enforcement Division (SLED) issued a new charge against disgraced lawyer Alex Murdaugh on Friday.

www.foxcarolina.com

Thanks @Seattle1

 

[justtrish]

It's also possible AM is an addict in more ways than one (not just opioids). He could be addicted to manipulating people, playing shell games with money, and the free for all of spending on whatever else he spent all the money on (gambling, trafficking, what not).

Some people are like that, and thrive on/get their "buzz" off of the "thrill" of it all, living a chaotic lifestyle and creating so much upset/intimidation in their day to day interpersonal life (don't ask don't tell) in an attempt to cover up their nefarious deeds and seeing what they can get away with behind the snow jobs, even towards and especially targeting their loved ones/people they are closest to.

It's actually kinda classic behavior for some people, to be addicted to "playing the game" of succeeding in life "against all odds", especially in this case, where AM "had everything" and it was never enough, and he had tapped every single resource possibly available to him to rob Peter and pay Paul. He's liked his odds all along, it seems, and never counted on his crimes catching up with him because he has always been able to "get away with murder".

JMO

I think Maggie had a full time job dealing with him. It sounds exhausting and if he played any of these kind of games with her.. I can't imagine. He even said something like "I told Paul I'd go to rehab after the boat case".. well how many of these games did he play with his family? The implication in that statement is that IF this boat case wasn't looming, I could go to rehab or maybe even I wouldn't have this pill problem. These types make others feel it's their fault for even the simplest things and they don't always say it with words.. actions, lack of action, etc. It speaks and I think Alex was doing a lot of blame shifting and fast talk on his family also.

 

[arielilane]

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[Derph]

For the afternoon kick-off!!

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[10ofRods]

Pride.

Also affects his ability to be a Solicitor, which he wanted, and could be reported to the State Bar. Naturally, during the bankruptcy all his financial crimes would have come to light.

The real question for me is why he killed other people, if he was so desperate, but not himself. Sometimes I theorize that he intended to kill himself too, but like other, similar family annihilators, he lost the will to do that - perhaps after seeing what guns do to human bodies. He tried to get someone to kill him or pretend to kill him, still operating on the theory that if he was suicidal people would feel sorry for him (or, perhaps, having actual moments of wishing to die - which I'd bet he has had).

I think he blamed Paul for the ruination of his life and his need to borrow so much money; he blamed Maggie for spoiling Paul, etc.

IMO.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Yep because it isn't just that he stole because that isn't the point. He lied and stole to cover up the previous lie and so on. Then it caught up to him.. the stealing isn't THE point, it's that in early June of 2021 the past stealing to pay back the previous incident wasn't going to work.. he was overdrawn, he needed money, he needed to disclose his financials.. he couldn't steal from anyone else to pay back or make up for what he had done and it was coming to a head. That is the key point from the stealing.. then they can say also everyone trusted him and he lied to them that goes to his credibility on the stand, but his stealing goes right to motive. He couldn't hide, lie, or smooth talk his way out of his financials coming out which would expose his crimes and he would be disbarred and legally in big trouble also.

Just waiting for the same pattern of "lying to cover up the previous lie and so on" regarding AM's alleged financial crimes to be woven into/piggy back onto him doing the same regarding the murders of Maggie and Paul during the prosecution's closing arguments.

It's not rocket science that if someone "lied lied" about committing serious Crimes A-M, and then they "lied lied" about committing serious Crimes N-P until they were caught red handed and then admitted they "lied lied", they "did did" Crimes Q-Z (what they are accused of doing in a court of law).

This case wouldn't have ever made it to trial if the State didn't have a rock solid case that AM's other "crimes and lies and desperation, oh my!" go hand in hand with these "crimes and lies and desperation, oh my!".

New tag line, borrowing from the Wizard of Oz's "Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!" Can you say "Scary Critters" ! ; )

MOO

 

[Cindizzi]

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[Amster]

So they have a Buster Flower pot, and a girl bike outside? I can not believe her niece would not love to have her Aunt's bike. Did Maggie mean nothing to any of them, including Buster? They have no gravestonesafter all this time? Is her Sister all that loved her?

The flower pot & bike were staged by the go to guy, John Marvin. So obvious & so sad. I truly believe the entire family is disgusting. And, Maggie is/was just an afterthought. Thanks loving sister, Marion! Not!!
MOO

 

[interested_party90]

People have speculated about drug dealing and large amounts of offshore money/concealment and I would be very interested to know if there is any substance to this (especially given some of his relationships).

But it seems like the prosecution have it spot on: he was extremely profligate and living beyond his means (despite how much money he was pulling in). And he needed to keep his Ponzi scheme afloat or it would all come crashing down. His use of opioids wouldn't even register as significant expense IMO.

 

[SuziQ]

These "experts" on L&C are ignoring the fact that the financial crimes are not character assassination when it is presented as motive. Desperate defense attorney babble. Imo.

 

[Cindizzi]

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[arielilane]

Court is back in session.

https://twitter.com/AveryGWilks

Court is back in session. Creighton Waters will resume his closing argument.

 

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[10ofRods]

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Wow. Thank you for posting. The dog kennels look way more humane than I had pictured them.

Judging from photos and video of the Moselle property.... the "kennel" area is horribly depressing, it's rundown, nasty-looking. I hate to think about any animal living like that. So glad there are no more dogs living in that disgusting place.

I had pictured it even worse (I didn't realize each dog at least had a little cubby and a wee little roof). However, it is still really awful. My dad and uncles were hunters (although all of them renounced hunting later in life) and always kept dogs, but, well, the dogs were treated like children and always slept indoors (which my Southern-born but California-raised mother thought rather suspect but for my dad, it was non-negotiable; my grandmother was appalled that two of her daughters slept with dogs in the house). All the dogs in my larger family pretty much lived indoors, unless they wanted to be outdoors.

 

[Walela]

He had 10 years of stealing and borrowing to pay bills because he never recovered from losses during the recession, why didn’t he ever file for bankruptcy?

Evidently it was easier to steal and so much more fun. Bankruptcy is no fun...you can't keep everything and he needed everything. Did any Murdaugh ever file for bankruptcy?

 

[justtrish]

Alec would never file for bankruptcy.

1. Murdaughs don't do bankruptcy.
2. Bankruptcy would expose his financial which would impact him professionally and criminally.
3. Alec didn't intend to be broke ever. He expected IMO to crawl out of this moneywormhole. The murders changed the landscape. He'd be the victim, the boat lawsuit would ease up, he'd move money around as he had always done, pay back CW, satisfy the firm and carry on.
4. He wasn't interested in losing Moselle.
5. He'd lose Maggie before he'd lose Moselle.

Maggie who he couldn't personalize, couldn't recall their last conversations, couldn't recall the nature of her health concerns, never once indicated he should've been there to protect her, had no regrets....

Business as usual. Make and take advantage of whatever is at hand.

Today at the defense table, that arrogance? That's who he is. It's game day. Closing arguments, probably his favorite day, if he ever had a case go to trial. Play to the jury. Which is exactly what he's doing.

Jury didn’t come to play.

I have faith in them.

May they see Alec for what he is and find him guilty as charged.

JMO

Seeing your list really proves that finances WAS the reason even thought Alex and the defense wants it to be drugs made him lie. He said the person thought about it for a long time. I think Alex did think about it for a long time. I don't think he wanted to murder his family. I think he wanted the financial mess to go away. His entire adult life seems to be how to get out of one financial mess by stealing/lying/deceiving the next person to pay back the previous. He got to this point where that wasn't possible anymore. As you said Bankruptcy would expose him, this boat case would expose him, his work was on to him and he had to make it go away.. can't use the past ways of stealing from the next person, his dad is dying so can't get it from him, can't get any more loans, etc. He murdered them because he saw it as an out to the finacial mess without exposing what he had been doing.

I think if he could have thought of some other way.. had some money he could get somewhere or he could get the boat case to go away, etc.. he wouldn't have killed them. He saw them as a means to fix some other mess he created.

 

[Cindizzi]

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[Stunned]

Karma ?

JMO

That’s a small hog, maybe a piglet? If that’s it on the road!

 

[Pitsleuth]

this is where I am with this too..also I think Alex does have the carriage to overcome his troubles..it's called bankruptcy..people do it every day..his life wasn't over..there's so much he could have done regardless...make amends..

I don't know..witch hunt? mOO

Have you ever followed any cases of family annihilators? I don't see how people can't make the connection between your life collapsing and killing your family. It happens ALL the time