SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton *Guilty* #43

[worm]

I guess if AM is residing at the Glenn jail it must be short handed with the employee arrests. More justice.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

In her ruling Judge referred to Becky Hill as a "celebrity influenced clerk of court".

I wish she had some words for Dick Harpootlian.

Yet that is one area for the judge and any others in these proceedings to wisely refrain from any comment or observations. Don’t want to give the defense or AM any other reasons for action. MOO.

 

[Weki]

I think there are a lot of lessons for the public from this debacle:

1. What the attorneys say is not evidence or the law
2. Please see 1.

Ha!

The defense conflated Becky Hill’s shenanigans and character onto the jurors/deliberation room. The fact that Harpootlian started his cross exam of Becky Hill with what she said in her book is telling! This was never the trial of Becky Hill but the defense made it seem that way and confused the issue! Great advocacy, for sure. But not the law!

JMO

 

[Gardenista]

I'm kind of watching this backwards and just saw CW's cross of the clerk for the other county. Reminded me he's really good.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752097315890794581

Maybe Alex can ask OJ to help find the real killer.

 

[bestill]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752097315890794581

Maybe Alex can ask OJ to help find the real killer.

And he can help write a book "If I did It" Series II.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752097315890794581

Maybe Alex can ask OJ to help find the real killer.

Nobody cares what Harpootlian and Griffin have to say anymore in this case.
They were totally exposed by Justice Toal for the dispicable folks they are.
The question now is who’s going to pay for all the appeals. Harpootlian ain’t going to work for free.

 

[worm]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752097315890794581

Maybe Alex can ask OJ to help find the real killer.

We can wait on this to straighten out the mess. ^^^^^^

 

[Pitsleuth]

Well well well. What a long, strange trip it’s been.

 

[Weki]

Justice Toal tap dancing all over defense’s claims after months of them bullying everybody….lol

 

[minazoe]

I don't know I think on appeal he gets a new trial..it's just way too messy....the whole thing. mOO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Yes, it is hard to tell where things go from here for AM and this prior trial. But at least the court decisions today are good. And I imagine that the convicted defendant can remain in jail as things unfold. Perhaps even in perpetuity. MOO

 

[Luna20]

Love Judge Toal too. No nonsense, tough as nails, but likable. I wonder if she is former military.

For some reason she reminds me of Mrs. Doubtfire

 

[rescuemom]

Talk about someone who deserves justice and answers.

I think Stephen's birthday was recently.

 

[girlhasnoname]

For some reason she reminds me of Mrs. Doubtfire

In the best way.

 

[rescuemom]

Of course Dick and Jim are holding a long and protracted interview claiming they haven't lost. They'll go all the way to SC Supreme Court or even the Federal Court. They are laughing, joking and being so upbeat.

Who is going to continue funding these expensive suits I wonder? AM's partners in crime or his beleaguered family? I hope they end up without a penny left between them all.

MOO

They even went so far to say---side eyed snickering--- that they have evidence of another murderer for the new trial.

 

[rescuemom]

I had a lunch appointment so I just caught up with the ruling. I was avoiding this thread cause I didn’t want to see spoilers.

I had a feeling like many others, I think, that Justice Toal was not going to grant a new trial. I think she adequately described the Becky Hill issue. This was a woman who got caught up in the media hype and forgot her duty! But I don’t think she changed the verdict at all! There are always jurors who are ambivalent - that’s been my experience as a juror as well. I’ve seen lawyers talk about these type of jurors. The fact that Juror Z said she was “pressured” by other jurors gives her away as this type of juror. I guarantee you if you questioned the jury I was on, 1 or 3 would say the same. But they were the passive jurors. They were apathetic and didn’t have sound reasoning for their hemming and hawing. They are ready to blow in the direction of the strongest wind and that’s why that juror said she was influenced. If we go back and question jurors and grant new trials based on these passive and ambivalent jurors, the system would break!

I hope the verdict stands and isn’t reversed on appeal.

Becky Hill lied her behind off on that stand!! I was shocked she made a 100k off that book! That’s a lot of money imo.

JMO

That's the point of deliberating to try to point out why you think one way or another. Pressure, sure happens all the time in diliberations. I'm sure she was coached but BH's demeanor was nothing like I thought she would be, almost smug. She acted like she was an experienced, well known author. Literary license is the word she was trying to find. I bet it's not fun to live now with what is happening to her and family in that area.

 

[Weki]

That's the point of deliberating to try to point out why you think one way or another. Pressure, sure happens all the time in diliberations. I'm sure she was coached but BH's demeanor was nothing like I thought she would be, almost smug. She acted like she was an experienced, well known author. Literary license is the word she was trying to find. I bet it's not fun to live now with what is happening to her and family in that area.

Hm I’m not sure I understand your point. I fully realize the point of deliberations. My point is there are ambivalent/passive jurors who don’t engage in substantive deliberations. If you just sit there and don’t have meaningful input and once you see the wind blowing in a certain direction and you feel “pressured” to vote one way I don’t think your ambivalence is enough to warrant a new trial after the fact. Juror Z, I speculate, is such a juror and now she’s saying she was influenced by BH because she felt “pressured” to vote guilty in general. JMO

 

[ch_13]

That's the point of deliberating to try to point out why you think one way or another. Pressure, sure happens all the time in diliberations. I'm sure she was coached but BH's demeanor was nothing like I thought she would be, almost smug. She acted like she was an experienced, well known author. Literary license is the word she was trying to find. I bet it's not fun to live now with what is happening to her and family in that area.

That cracked me up. When BH was being questioned by Judge Toal she forgot the phrase and could only say "the literary...um...the word that we just said."

At 1:08:03

At other points in her testimony she also called it 'literary ease' for some reason. I agree that she was coached to minimize the lies in her book by calling them 'literary license'. I doubt she was ever familiar with that phrase until she had to prepare for this hearing.

 

[minazoe]

look, I'm sorry but this has nothing to do with how the judge characterizes Becky's behavior. We have a juror who says she was bossed into a guilty verdict by an employee of the court. That's it. end of story. it doesn't matter...the jurors had lawyers and I think everyone is lying. One other juror confirmed one of the claims by juror Z. that, and the judges dismissal of all the totally messy antics of that court room...where I believe she even forgot to advise one of the jurors..
this whole shebang needs to be moved and appealed... I am concerned that his attorneys could not nail a verdict in his favor.

I wonder if maybe Alex was down there when the shooting happened but ran away ...I don't know what if he didn't know what he was doing? I just have trouble with him being a family annihilator...maybe he is but then something is missing..
like real evidence. where are the guns etc? was it about a drug debt? someone needs to get the real motive of this case against Alex. mOO